a little CWE help?

[oxydose]

Hey I've never done a CWE extraction before but am eating a healthy amount of T3's (30/300) daily since DOC isn't around.

I've been eating 10 at a time (300,3000), and then usually two at night with some Benadryls. Now I've got myself a hefty tolerence, but I'm glad to see that 300mg of codeine still gives me a slight comfy/warm feeling, plus I don't get all the other BS ppl complain about, excessive itching and what-not. So anyways since DOC isn't avaible I've bought up a fairly large supply of the T3s, and I've been using just around 300mg a dose because I've read codeine has a 400mg ceiling effect.

Now how much water would I need for 10-11 T3s? I say 11 because I want the dose to be around 300mg, and I'm sure some will be lost in the throwaway. Would warm (tap) water work as opposed to stove heated water thats very hot.

yeah thats about it, thanks

yeah warm water would work fine, you don't want it too hot or it could destroy your codeiene. This is what's posted on erowid.

Below is an example of a codeine extraction. The idea behind the following extraction is that
acetaminophen and aspirin (I'll use A/A from now on) are very
_insoluble_ in cold water. Codeine phosphate (the most common
salt of codeine) is very _soluble_ in water including cold water.
The following table explains:

Solubility (31C water) Solubility (21C water)

Aspirin 1g / 100 ml 1g / 300ml

Acetaminophen 1g / 70 ml 1g / 150 ml

Codeine 1g / 2.3 ml 1g / 0.7 ml
Phosphate

So as you can see, both A/A aren't very soluble in 21C
water, so if you cool the water to around 10C, the solubility will
drop even further. That way you can dissolve 20 tablets in 50ml
of hot water, cool the water down to 10C, filter the solution and
end up with the same amount of codeine as the tablets contained
but only a fraction of the original amount of A/A.

[...]

1. Obtain a quantity of tablets containing codeine, check to
see if they contain anything other than codeine, caffeine,
acetaminophen or aspirin. If they do, and you don't know whether
or not it will be a problem, your best bet is not to use them.
Measure out your desired amount of codeine (ex. 64 mg = 8 tablets
* 8mg/tablet). You may want to add 2 extra tablets as it is quite
likely you will lose some codeine in the procedure. As you get
more experience with the procedure you will be able to get
approx. 95% of the codeine extracted.

2. Measure out some nice hot water, use approx. 40ml / 20 tablets
or more if needed. I would suggest you don't go over 50ml for 20
tablets. I don't know if the use of boiling water would destroy
any of the codeine but your best bet is not to use it. Use hot
water but not boiling. Make sure the tablets dissolve completely.
Some dissolve on contact with water while others need some help
dissolving by crushing them. Note : not all of the tablet will
dissolve, there are water-insoluble fillers in the tablet and not
all of the A/A will dissolve either(which is what we want).

3. Place the solution in a cold bath, I just use some ice cubes
in a container of water. Stir the mixture occasionally until the
solution drops to about 15C or lower. You won't need a
thermometer to measure the temperature, just make sure it's
"cold". This will take about 30 min. If you wish to speed this
up, you can use less water to dissolve the tablets, and add ice
chips to cool the mixture faster. Just make sure you don't add
so much ice that you drastically increase the volume of the mixture.

4. Filter the solution using whatever you have. Coffee filters
work well, but lab filters work the best. Just make sure you
don't end up with obvious solids in the filtered solution. This
will take about 1 hr. You may also want to rinse the solids left
over in the filter with some ice-water to extract any remaining
codeine.



Basically what I've done is just take some pretty warm / hot water (use as little as possible, it doesn't take much water at all. I used a syringe to measure) crush up your pills, add warm water. Put in the freezer till it's really cold, run through coffee filter.

Wet your coffee filter first too, otherwise it absorbs the water you're running through it with your opiates in the mix. You can do a second wash too if you want, use 1/2 water. Here's a link to a CWE thread over in the hydrocodone forum. Peace. http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=45

[oxydose]

ty, i did read that before posting.

was more looking for some "pro-tips" from folks who've did these T3's before.

Can you use too much water?

[chopstix]

I had a run on those things in BC for awhile, I have a few tips. The temp of the water to dissolve the tabs doesn't really matter as long as it's not too hot. They'll actually dissolve pretty well in cold water. I use the plastic butt end of a screwdriver or something similarly blunt to help mash em up once they've been soaking for a few. Get a coffee mug or something similar and put just a little bit of water in it (Tbsp) and put it in the coldest part of your freezer before you do anything, put it under the ice tray and surrounded by shit if you can, if you get the cup cold quick you can do the whole process in like 15 minutes.

Once you have the pills in solution (in a separate container), you have a couple choices. You can just let it sit for awhile (in the fridge or freezer) and the apap will settle and you'll have a fairly clear solution that you can siphon off and filter really easy. Run that a couple times and you'll get most of your goodies. I do the coffee cup thing and pour the solution in the cup once it's good and cold, if the Tbsp of water on the bottom is frozen it helps cool the solution but it really only needs to be like 40ish degrees for most of the apap to fall out. Twirl the shit around in the mug for a bit to get it cold and then here's the key: you can use a lot of things to filter, but especially with acetaminophen if you don't get the material wet first, you'll be there for days waiting for it to filter. Some pills are worse than others. I've used: coffee filters, paper towels, fine cloth (dress shirt), denim, toilet paper, etc.. just make sure to get it wet first.

Don't worry if it's a little cloudy. I guarantee you got at least %90 of the apap out and 300mg is A LOT better for you than 3G.

EDIT: 50ml of water is about right for 3-400mg codeine. The more water you use, the more apap you can dissolve. The warmer the water is also affects apap solubility. 50ml of 35-45degree (F) water is fine.

[oxydose]

Originally Posted by chopstix

I had a run on those things in BC for awhile, I have a few tips. The temp of the water to dissolve the tabs doesn't really matter as long as it's not too hot. They'll actually dissolve pretty well in cold water. I use the plastic butt end of a screwdriver or something similarly blunt to help mash em up once they've been soaking for a few. Get a coffee mug or something similar and put just a little bit of water in it (Tbsp) and put it in the coldest part of your freezer before you do anything, put it under the ice tray and surrounded by shit if you can, if you get the cup cold quick you can do the whole process in like 15 minutes.

Once you have the pills in solution (in a separate container), you have a couple choices. You can just let it sit for awhile (in the fridge or freezer) and the apap will settle and you'll have a fairly clear solution that you can siphon off and filter really easy. Run that a couple times and you'll get most of your goodies. I do the coffee cup thing and pour the solution in the cup once it's good and cold, if the Tbsp of water on the bottom is frozen it helps cool the solution but it really only needs to be like 40ish degrees for most of the apap to fall out. Twirl the shit around in the mug for a bit to get it cold and then here's the key: you can use a lot of things to filter, but especially with acetaminophen if you don't get the material wet first, you'll be there for days waiting for it to filter. Some pills are worse than others. I've used: coffee filters, paper towels, fine cloth (dress shirt), denim, toilet paper, etc.. just make sure to get it wet first.

Don't worry if it's a little cloudy. I guarantee you got at least %90 of the apap out and 300mg is A LOT better for you than 3G.

EDIT: 50ml of water is about right for 3-400mg codeine. The more water you use, the more apap you can dissolve. The warmer the water is also affects apap solubility. 50ml of 35-45degree (F) water is fine.

great post thanks man! Actually I just did my first one this morning, I used 50ml exactly (figured it seemed about right, 40ml + 10 more just in case). Seemed to work pretty good, I seen exactly what u mean about the seperated and was able to pour most of the water out, I then rerinsed the solution using 30ml of just cold water, stired, let that sit in the freezor for 10 minutes and then threw it threw a filter, squeezing the excess out.

seemed to work out about right, I hope my usual feeling from the 11 pills that I get when I eat 10 whole, but the vodka and then Done I got a hold of later one is really helping it out today :P

But yeah I gave it time just by itself to see if I felt it at all, and I did, that small sutle feeling of warmness, not real high but better than nothing. I seen it in someone elses post here about how every junkie says codeine is shit until there in W/D, pretty accurate, not that I was really W/D at that point, but still makes me feel better, just like a good ole opi should. The water was a white milky color, very chemically tasting but 2-3 table spoons of lemonaid helped it out A LOT.

Thanks for the help guys, appriciate it, I think I got the hang of it now, but one more question to someone expirenced.

Is the 2nd wash really necassary, and after that (or say I didn't 2nd wash it). Would saving all the shit for when I'm fully out of everything to do a extraction on all the gunk worth doing? Or would I just end up with a lot of APAP carried over mostly?.

[chopstix]

You're really just bringing over more apap, you might leave %5 behind or something. It's up to you, for me, codeine and hydro is so weak that I don't bother re-rinsing unless it's a big dose..

[oxydose]

Originally Posted by chopstix

You're really just bringing over more apap, you might leave %5 behind or something. It's up to you, for me, codeine and hydro is so weak that I don't bother re-rinsing unless it's a big dose..

yeah today I just threw the junk away, with the same sutle but there effects.

thanks

[robojunkie]

Just do the math on this. Use the least amount of water possible, including in that amount a little rinse unless you have vacuum filtration in your kitchen (not a joke, easy to set up). Really is no need to even use hot water with cod phos. Cold tap water is fine, just stir the crushed up powdered pills for about 15 minutes and filter as best you can. Then let some water evap off. More A/A will precipitate out but not the codeine. Read that solubility profile again. 30 30 mg cod phos in pure form could be dissolved in less than 5 ml water. In other words it won't be what's precipitating out. In my book the least amount of that toxic liver frying poison acetaminophen one takes the better! I mean shit you can buy something over the counter (Tylenol Max, 500 mg apap/pill) where less than 20 pills could theoretically kill someone if taken in a day! BTW, the water temp is kinda hinted at in the name: CWE as in COLD water extraction...

[oxydose]

Originally Posted by robojunkie

BTW, the water temp is kinda hinted at in the name: CWE as in COLD water extraction...

Thanks for the info, may I am using a bit too much water then. I don't worry about letting the water evap, I just throw in some lemonaid mix, stir, and drink down.

Most CWE guides call for the use of hot2cold water though, are some opiates just not to soluable at cold temps?

[Inspektahdek]

Here is the simplest CWE I can think of. It is easy and it takes less than 1 minute:

All you need is: 2 glasses (or anything that can hold water); Tissue paper; Spoon (or your finger, anything to stir with); Water.

STEP 1. Put pills in the first container. Pour enough COLD water to completely submerge pills (from the sink, no need to cool it in fridge). No need for excessive water. Stir untill all pills are completely dissolved.

STEP 2. Take 2 pieces of tissue on top of each other, hold them on top of the second container like a filter; gently pour contents of container 1 through filter into container 2.

THAT'S IT! drink the water, discard the stuff caught in the filter.

It is THAT easy. Of course, this is the bearbones of it, just to show how easy it is so that you have no excuse not to do it! For a more refined process, do a search. But this as-is WORKS. Not only will your liver thank me for reminding you of this and saving its life, but also you will when you find your drugs are hitting you faster and harder!