oxycodone - oxymorphone conversion

[Hiems]

Hello, has anyone tried doing this with success? I remember reading on Rhodium some time ago two different methods on how to demethylate oxycodone to the 10x as potent oxymorphone. One method involved using BBr3 and the other used Methionine, both I think in chlorobenzene. I have been wanting to try this method for a while now, but am having problems finding some chemicals now that I'm not in the O-Chem lab every week. Any suggestions on suppliers of chems or alternate methods would be much appreciated. Also, this will obviously first have to involve purifying OC tablets, I remmember seeing a thread about that here but the search didnt show it up... suggestions? Thanks guys.

[MorphineDreams]

Hiems:

Chemically altering oxycodone and making oxymorphone out of it is a COLOSSAL task. I don't think the "average" person can do this in their basement with a few oxycontins - it's impossible. Although it would be real nice if it were possible. Although oxycodone is a very good narcotic itself it is still classified as a "moderate" opiate along with hydrocodone and methadone, it is nothing as compared to the real "strong" classified narcotics like morphine, oxymorphone, hydromorphone, levorphanol and of course heroin.

[HeidiW]

Damn, wouldn't it be great to figure this one out!

[Buckshot]

uhh did I just hear someone say oxycodone isnt a strong opiate......is dont think thats right.

[JoyDivision]

From my experience OxyContin isn't that strong and I don't particulary like how it makes me feel.
It makes me agitated, turns me into a prick to my family and my dosage/quantity blows chunks (QTY: 90 x10mg CR's a month with 3 x 10mg a day). And it doesn't kill all my pain.

I'm sure it will get someone who doesn't really need it to get a nice rushy high but after being on it for almost a full 5 months I really hate it. But if I don't take it I get severe pain and I can't get into see my specialist for like 5-6 weeks because he is heavily booked and only works like one day and the place I see him is like a 45min drive away just to see him for 10 minutes just to get my Oxy dose either increased or put onto another pain medication.

I would rather be given pure 30mg or 60mg Codeine phosphate. and take 60-120mg 3-4 times a day with 10-20mg diazepam a day if needed. I like the feeling of codeine alot more. Sure I'll get a big tolerance like I do to Oxy but at least the stuff turns my depression into mania. It's no wonder codeine was used in the 1900's as an anti-depressant.

I know. Lots of people dislike codeine. But that's cause they take what 300-400mg at once and expect it to work all the time. Duh. It won't work all the time if you do that. Nor will diazepam if you take 20-40mg a day all the time. You gotta either go could turkey off this shit or substitute it for something else. And I'll tell you this. If you don't suffer from Chronic pain and you can't handle the withdrawls from OxyContin then you're a pussy. I'm not saying you can't use anything from the withdrawl symptoms. You can use mild stuff for the aches, pains and diarrhea. If you suffer from Chronic pain and you can handle withdrawls from OxyContin then you're a champion.

I go without OxyContin for almost up to 2 and a half weeks sometimes using only OTC codeine products or poppy seed tea. And I have constant chronic lower back, mid back, upper back, neck and forehead pain. And then people without any pain can't even go off the stuff for a few days without going insane.

If you want to get high. Smoke dope! Do Acid, Use Mushrooms. Leave the pain meds for people with pain instead of abusing it like smegheads and then it gets taken off the market, pharmacies won't stock it or some other stupid reason cause some little fuckwad is a little pussy and can't handle drugs.

Sorry but your hurting people with legit uses for pain meds. When you guys have plenty of shit on the street to get high off. What do we have? Fucking Heroin? I don't want to do heroin. I don't want to buy needles, heat the shit off a spoon, use a cotton bud or whatever to filter glass, cum and other shit out of it just to kill my pain. I just want to swallow a fucking pill! Not be a junkie or be treated like one!

Sorry but I'm just pissed off that I have to suffer while little fucks just go onto the next drug. Honestly if alcohol or pot killed pain like narcotics I'd use them. But Alcohol doesn't kill pain (there's plenty of booze around the house I could use if I could, I could even buy it myself) and marijunana makes me hella paranoid and my parents wouldn't support me smoking it, even though I could easily get it.

[ontario_opiophile]

I dunno, people who use painkillers for just the hell of it are idiots in my opinion. I think that a large number of people who are addicted/regulars have a legitimate reason to be on them, no doctors support them in their persuit for eternal happiness though. I don't see the difference between prescribing Oxycodone for depression or Prozac for depression. Both of them alter your mind in one way or another. I dont see why people are so narcophobic. It's only been like this the last 100 years give or take 10-20 years, and for thousands of years, probably since the beginning of time, people have been using crude opium and tinctures. I kind of have a problem with people who go out and just do it for fun basically. Too many smart people go and use it for fun and die or piss their life away by being non-productive. That type of crap makes it hard for sick people to get their medications. Although.....

I do believe that EVERYONE has a legitimate need for opiates and any other drug that helps them live a happier and more productive life

But, with the narco-nazi governments we have all over the world today, everyone can't use opiates or many other drugs to help alleviate depression, or any other medical conditions. Well actually you can if you have money, or can doctor shop. But if you go out and do this your only ruining it for the people who have serious medical conditions. I think that 95% of the people on this site probably need opiates for one legitimate medical reason or another. If you think about it, why would anyone use opiates if they didnt have a need for whatever it gives them. Obviously opiates fill some void in humans that gives them greater pleasure in life. Why would you deny this wonder to so many who are depressed and stressed out over the bittersweet game we call life? Just more dillusions sorry for the ramble.

[Zoop]

Ontario, I respect you and have agreed with most of what you say. Especially about using opiates for depression, much like prozac is used.

But, you are contradicting yourself when you say anyone who wants to use opiates therefore must need it in some way, and then you say you think people who take opiates for the fun of it are idiots? What's up with that?

One the topic, however, I would advise that it's folly to try and entertain some notion that you could just "convert oxycodone to oxymorphone" I doubt anyone would want to risk ruining a perfectly good batch of oxycodone to try and do that. And that's assuming 1. you could get your hands on a large amount of oxycodone that you didn't care about ruining, and 2. you REALLY have total and complete access to a chemical lab, where there is no way you could get caught doing it. You could do some time in prison if they thought you were part of a conspiracy to manufacture narcotics for distribution.

It's not gonna happen. Go to school and get a PhD in medicinal chemistry and then go to work for a drug company, get promoted to a suprevisory position in the R&D department and then attempt to do this. Until then, just maintain on what you got, don't fantasize about silly stuff.

[shaunclo]

I know there are a lot of people in REAL pain, where they need REAL help with REAL narcotics. Fact is though that everyone is responsible for themselves. If the oxycontin isnt working for you right, and it doesnt take away all your pain, and it makes you treat your family like shit, then tell your doctor. And if he is so far away, then find one closer to you. I guaranty if you ask your doctor for codeine instead of oxycontin, Im pretty sure he would make that trade for you. If you are in legitimate pain, like I believe Ontario is, (only from some posts of his I have read) then get on the med that works for YOU. I dont understand why doctors put chronic-pain patients on oxycontin (it is such a short acting narcotic) when they can use morphine or duragesic.

[duke_nemmerle]

As an aside, someone mentioned it and I'll second that oxy does make me agitated for some reason. It just seems as though conversation is petty to me when I'm on them. I'm a nice person so I'm not a dick about it to anyone, but I get annoyed very easily on them

[red26]

shaunclo I'm with you bro. I've switched to heroin because I cant find a decent doctor whos ever been in as much pain on a daily basis as I am. I loath the medical "industry" for this. making one pain med into another isnt an easy task. I agree with the going to school thing. I'm planning on it myself. Infiltrate the system and corrupt it. Go to school and do something productive with your habit.Even converting codiene into hydro is a tough one if you dont know what your doing and dont have all the proper equippment and chems. to do it. If you are going to attempt this be careful, someone could lose an eye.

[paesan]

Oxy definetely does turn people into mean bastards. Back in MA a street slang for oxy was "the grouch" cuz it allways turns you into a grouchy prick. I find I get "the grouch" (just really mean) on all opies not just oxy, it's just with oxy I feel I need to kill people more often...

[duke_nemmerle]

Originally Posted by paesan

Oxy definetely does turn people into mean bastards. Back in MA a street slang for oxy was "the grouch" cuz it allways turns you into a grouchy prick. I find I get "the grouch" (just really mean) on all opies not just oxy, it's just with oxy I feel I need to kill people more often...

hahaha, glad I'm not the only one. I usually wait til my girlfriend heads out before I get off because we both know that it makes me disagreeable

[red26]

I happen to be just the opposite. It's when I'm not loaded I'm "the grouch" usually. I get loaded and I'm happy as could be, and productive too in my life. It could be that possibly your reaction time is increased or more sensitive when your takin your dose? Typically speaking, if I'm not nodding and just high things are happening upstairs quicker than usual. Maybe it's just impatience your experiencing?

[Wildman]

I've always had a real problem with patience, and find that
opioids really help with this. I'm also from a family where
depression is prevalent, and find (amazingly enough) that
opioids help with that as well.

I did, however, finally take the plunge and found a great
shrink who also deals with a lot of substance issues (even
though I primarily went there to deal with my anger, impatience,
and depression) he was able to put my experiences with
substances into proper perspective (i.e., not rush to judgement
that substances were the cause of my problems, but rather
that they might be a symptom of a larger issue).

This shrink has also probably done all the substances that I
have tried and deals with folks that are infinitely more messed
up than I am, so my drug consumption is small potatoes
to him.

If you find that you take opioids to deal with anger/depression/
motivation - you may want to consider that you are not just
a junky - but that you may have other issues WHICH CAN
BE SUCCESSFULLY DEALT WITH. My life (now that I am
on meds) is so much better than before. I still party, but
I drink A LOT LESS, and am a much nicer person to be around.

Don't define yourself and any issues you may have with the
"junky" label - people are usually much more complex than that.

[paesan]

Yeah I definetely find "the grouch" to be a patients thing. For some reason opies make me frickin wired (to the point that I have trouble sleeping) and I seem to get very frustrated with everyone around me. The more people around the more frustrated I get which sucks because two of my current sources of funds require me to be around a lot of people.

It's not that I don't enjoy parties and people it's just that people don't appreciate me telling them "hurry up and hand me that money before I shove this #-B@*% up ya fuckin ass!!!" My sister & my girl now tell my friends "watch out he's got the grouch" and they just laugh my threats to their lives and the lives of their families off... Bastards...