Remain on OC and Roxi, or Switch to Something Else

[jkis]

Hi all. Two posts in one day for me, wow, lol. i guess after only posting rarely, but reading the forums daily its time to start contributing a little bit more since I'm in love with this site.

Heres my dilemma. I used to have an OC habit of 320mg/dose a few times a day, which I thankfully lowered my tolerance from by a lot. As of now I get scripted 80mg OC x3/day and Roxicodone30mg IR x4/day. I have never tried any other opiates other than Morphine Sulfate IR which I did not find anywhere near as good as oxycodone. I have a great doctor who is willing to try any pain meds I want for my chronic pain. He specifically said that he wouldn't want to write more than what he does for my b/t pain roxis and would rather switch me to a stronger pain med if I felt it was necessary. If I wanted to switch off the OC to something else I would be able to do that as well. Heck, I probably could get my current script plus a small ammount of something else to sample and see if it worked and I liked it or not.

Of course curiousity and constant reading of this site is getting the best of me, as I hear praise for hydromorphone, and fentanyl, and even oxymorphone although mostly mixed opinions on that one. For euphoric and recreational puproses, would anyone recommend trying fentanyl? My 30mg roxis are my DOC by far and I love them more than anything. But tolerance is a bitch. My problem is, although I've read so many good things, most of the other drugs seem only really worthwhile when IVed. I have never used a needle before and would prefer not to. While I'm not against snorting, I'm not a fan either. Probably why I like my oxy so much, because of the great bioavailablity orally. Now I've read about Actiq, and Fentora(which my doctor personally brought up), and was wondering if they are any good taken as prescribed for better recreational effects than oxycodone? I've also looked into duragesic, but that would be for my long-acting base med, correct? What are everyones opinions on what I'm taking now vs. what I could possibly get?

More specifically, when taken orally alone am I better off staying on the oxy, or trying something new for better results? Tolerance is a bitch, and before I work my way back up to that insanely high ammount of oxy, I'm thinking about any other alternatives to get that opiate high that we all know and love, and chase after. By the way, please give any suggestions asap as my doctors appointment for the month is later this afternoon, or else I'll have to wait til next month if I do wanna make an attempt at trying a different drug. And by the way, I have no interest in heroin so any suggestions about that wouldn't be useful. I'm not against it whatsoever, I'm just against taking anything that I don't know 100% of what is in it.

Thanks in advance for any info.

[roxi*stardust]

To cut down tolerance you dcotor should be switching you meds every2-3 months in a type of rotation. Duragesic is and excellent med for chronic long term pain. Actiq and Fentora are also great meds for breakthrough when given bucally. Fent isn't very effective when taken by mouth and swallowed. What your might want to suggest to your doctor is a Duragesic patch as the long acting med and keep your roxicodone for B/T. This way your not taking strickly Oxycodone. I'll give you a few examples of patients on a mixed narcotic routine.

1.) Patient A is on OxyContin 40mg 3x a day with Percocet 10mg 4x a days for breakthrough on even days, in addition the doctor has added Hydromorphone 2mg 1-2 tablets 4x a day on odd days.

2.) Patient B is one OxyContin 80mg 3x a day on even days and MS Contin 200mg 3x a day on odd days with Actiq 600mcg 3x a day for b/t.

You see where I'm going with this? There are other ways to achieve this. Like one month you take OxyContin the NExt month MS Contin, the next month Duragesic, all will keeping your b/t meds Roxicodone except the moth you are on Oxy, then you would get Hydromorphone or Actiq or Fentora.

[devilsdrug]

u wont get a better answer than the one above

[jkis]

agreed. That was basically the tolerance answer I was looking for. Makes complete sense. Thank you for the quick response. However, I'm also looking for opinions on the difference in euporic effects of each. Would taking an actiq, give me better recreational effects than the roxicodone? Or would say the patches be better than the oxycontin? Would dilaudid even be worth it recreationally if I don't IV. And for the fentanyl, I would take it bucally, or sublingually. whatever is the best way to get the best high I'm all for. Right now my main concern is getting high, with pain relief coming in second. I know thats a bit messed up, but we all love that opiate high or we wouldn't be converging on this site.

Basically, I'm scared that if I switch one of my meds to something else, I'm not gonna get the euphoric effects I'm looking for. I'm all for something which makes the high better, but I'd rather have to take twice as much oxy and have my tolerance build, than to take something that regulates my tolerance but doesn't get me high. Know what I mean? Like how would a 600mcg actiq compare to 120mg of Roxi IR at one time?

Finally, what are the differences between Actiq, and Fentora. I know actiqs are the lollipops, and the fentora is a tablet, but are they the same thing taken the same way just in different forms?

Thanks again for the help.

[roxi*stardust]

IMO, and this is just my opinion. Oxycodone is going to give the best euphoria. Duragesic patches will only give you a buzz if you take the gel out and smoke or eat it, which is dangerous becasue you don't know how much you are gettting. You can't eyeball a dose of fent gel. Morphine sucks unless it's given IV and hydromorphone is then same. Stick with the Oxy if you are looking for a buzz.

Edit" aqtic and Fentora are both Fentanyl one is a sucker and the other a sub-linguinal tablet.

Originally Posted by roxi*stardust

IMO, and this is just my opinion. Oxycodone is going to give the best euphoria. Duragesic patches will only give you a buzz if you take the gel out and smoke or eat it, which is dangerous becasue you don't know how much you are gettting. You can't eyeball a dose of fent gel. Morphine sucks unless it's given IV and hydromorphone is then same. Stick with the Oxy if you are looking for a buzz.

Edit" aqtic and Fentora are both Fentanyl one is a sucker and the other a sub-linguinal tablet.

Smack gives a great buzz ahhhhhhh

[roxi*stardust]

Originally Posted by d v 1 3 1 3

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Originally Posted by roxi*stardust

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[jkis]

I guess its a matter of personal preferrence. Everyone is different. The reason I'm really looking for answers is that I was always curious about Morphine Pills. I luckily got my hand on some from a friend. I took 120mg IR and didn't feel a buzz at all. If I had switched my Roxi script to these for the month I would have been pissed and without my pills for the month because I really hated the morphine. Granted if I had IVed it I probably would have loved it, but thats just not something I do. I even have syringes from my dog who had diabetes, but I just can't bring myself to try it, out of fear of not knowing how to number one, and fear of liking it so much its all i ever do number 2 lol. I guess my best bet would be to see if my doc is willing to give me a few of the actiqs on top of my regular scripts just to see if they are good for me, which couldn't hurt, but I dont think I'm willing to get a months worth and risk not having what I know is good.

[roxi*stardust]

Originally Posted by jkis

I guess its a matter of personal preferrence. Everyone is different. The reason I'm really looking for answers is that I was always curious about Morphine Pills. I luckily got my hand on some from a friend. I took 120mg IR and didn't feel a buzz at all. If I had switched my Roxi script to these for the month I would have been pissed and without my pills for the month because I really hated the morphine. Granted if I had IVed it I probably would have loved it, but thats just not something I do. I even have syringes from my dog who had diabetes, but I just can't bring myself to try it, out of fear of not knowing how to number one, and fear of liking it so much its all i ever do number 2 lol. I guess my best bet would be to see if my doc is willing to give me a few of the actiqs on top of my regular scripts just to see if they are good for me, which couldn't hurt, but I dont think I'm willing to get a months worth and risk not having what I know is good.

Yeah Morphine sucks uless you IV, period. Ask for a few Acitq too see if you like them, I personally never tried them so I can't say how they are. But I perfer Oxy over any of the Pharmacueticals mentioned. H is another story like dv said. I'm sure that wuld get you where you want to be. But you can't get that RX'd here in the great US of A

Originally Posted by jkis

I guess its a matter of personal preferrence. Everyone is different. The reason I'm really looking for answers is that I was always curious about Morphine Pills. I luckily got my hand on some from a friend. I took 120mg IR and didn't feel a buzz at all. If I had switched my Roxi script to these for the month I would have been pissed and without my pills for the month because I really hated the morphine. Granted if I had IVed it I probably would have loved it, but thats just not something I do. I even have syringes from my dog who had diabetes, but I just can't bring myself to try it, out of fear of not knowing how to number one, and fear of liking it so much its all i ever do number 2 lol. I guess my best bet would be to see if my doc is willing to give me a few of the actiqs on top of my regular scripts just to see if they are good for me, which couldn't hurt, but I dont think I'm willing to get a months worth and risk not having what I know is good.

Yeah, like you said about not feelin a buzz .. with your tollerance up so high oral morphine is going to suck for you. Bio-avail is horrible.

I agree though, don't start shooting it is not a good long-term plan if ya know what I mean. Especially if you're in real chronic pain, you'll blow your tollerance and all sorts of shit that comes with needles. Long term, needles are not a good way to go. They're FUN !!! but it will catch up to ya.