This forum moderated by Clare Waismann of Opiates.com

[bi11i]

Our Anesthesia Assisted Detox forum is now moderated by Clare Waismann, a key figure on the leading Anesthesia Assisted Medical Opiate Detox scene. Clare has kindly agreed (although extremely busy herself in answering over 100 emails daily) to make herself as available as her schedule permits in answering any questions concerning this method of treatment.

Opiophile.org is backing the Waismann method of detox, based on their position in treating addiction is a medical condition or disease. While Opiophile.org is not a recovery board, we do believe in providing information concering all avenues in effectively treating opiate addiction (for those what wish to be treated.)

Their website can be viewed at www.opiates.com. Her Opioprofile can be viewed here.

From their website:

The Waismann Method sm of rapid detox treats opiate dependency as a physical disease, one that can be overcome by utilizing advanced medical techniques. Traditional drug detox programs have a success rate of less than 10% after the first year. These statistics are even grimmer two years after treatment.

Traditional, ineffective drug detox programs are a thing of the past. The Waismann Method sm maintains its leading position in treating the disease of opiate physical dependency and sets the standard by which other treatments are measured. We are committed to changing the way the world views drug dependency. It is no longer a hidden and shameful disease of the stereotypical "drug addict," but rather a medical disease caused by a legitimate chemical imbalance.

[jacky]

Clare has stated in a message to me that there are other places treating people with a rapid detox treatment that differs from the method they use in ways, that is why the name waissman method is used to differentiate between anesthesia aided detox treatments. The author was not specific in where these differences in treatment protocol lay. I have knocked this method in the past, but only from the standpoint of knowing people that have had similiar procedures and werent impressed. I have taken naltrexone for months at a time, but I was given a two week taper on klonipin, tegretol, and muscle relaxants preliminary to going on naltrexone, with a two week wait in between. I am interested in hearing some testimonials at some point and keeping an open mind. the ratios listed for the Waismann concerning recovery are pretty good, something to look into.

[Paregoric Kid]

Has any real scientific research been done on this method? Any double blind experiments that compare this method to bup, methadone, cold turkey, etc and the success rates between them? I see a lot of testimonials but they don't mean anything. Science cannot rely on testimonials it can only rely on the scientific method. Testimonials are frequently used to sell pseudoscience. If there is no real scientific evidence behind this, then their claims are meaningless.

[bi11i]

My interest lays in not having to endure a two-week run at being dope-sick. I know that Clare is busy; hopefully she'll have some time to make it over here and answer a few questions....

[Waismann]

I am here to answer any of your questions. Regarding the comparasson between The Waismann Method , Methadone and Buprinex....Let me try to make this clear. Methadone is a "replacement" drug , that is more addictive than most opiates out there. I see patients all the time that have been switched from a prescription opiate to Methadone, and now they have a way bigger problem coming off. Buprinex is half opiate and half antagonist, and it is addictive as well. We are detoxing patients more and more from it weekly. The pharmaceutical companies again have done a great job on marketing a drug, that is addictive with the promise to clean people. They kept it to a minimun supply in the first years, so there would be all this hype on being able to get it...And then they will release it in hopes ,patients will needed for long term and they can keep selling it.Regarding scientific research, there is alot ...Look into detoxification of opiates under anesthesia.....Listen, I don't extract my teeth without anesthesia, I cannot think of any medical instance when pain is present for a treatment that a doctor will not try to alleviate the patient with his best knowledge.Why are drug dependent the only patients that should suffer?

[Paregoric Kid]

so you can't send me a link to a double blind study that compares this method to other forms of detox? how does the waismann method determine if a patient is physically dependent?

[oxysprings]

Originally Posted by Waismann

I am here to answer any of your questions. Regarding the comparasson between The Waismann Method , Methadone and Buprinex....Let me try to make this clear. Methadone is a "replacement" drug , that is more addictive than most opiates out there. I see patients all the time that have been switched from a prescription opiate to Methadone, and now they have a way bigger problem coming off. Buprinex is half opiate and half antagonist, and it is addictive as well. We are detoxing patients more and more from it weekly. The pharmaceutical companies again have done a great job on marketing a drug, that is addictive with the promise to clean people. They kept it to a minimun supply in the first years, so there would be all this hype on being able to get it...And then they will release it in hopes ,patients will needed for long term and they can keep selling it.Regarding scientific research, there is alot ...Look into detoxification of opiates under anesthesia.....Listen, I don't extract my teeth without anesthesia, I cannot think of any medical instance when pain is present for a treatment that a doctor will not try to alleviate the patient with his best knowledge.Why are drug dependent the only patients that should suffer?

[oxysprings]

I've been down the Suboxone road. What a waste of time and misery. For me at least./ i want to beleive in the Wiasmann Method but I have to be able to communicate with somebody who's gone through it. The cost, for me, is tremendous. I am willing to empty my bank account if only I felt nore confident in the reality of the process. How can the Waissmann Clinic do in 20-30 hours what other Doctors contend will take weeks.

Please, if anyone who has been to Waismann is willing to share, I and I'm sure many others would be eternally graetful.

[MrodsGrl]

Hi Oxysprings,
I am writing from Midwest Rapid Opiate Detoxification Specialists. We have locations in Chicago & Los Angeles. We can privately connect you with some individuals who are willing to share their experiences of rapid detox. Please contact our director, Greg Simpson at 888-707-4673 for more information about our services, competitive pricing or to speak with someone who has been through our program.
Feel free to email me as well.
Thanks,
Priscilla Murphy

[blackdog]

this was a joke ....what a mistake ..can you say sp..sp.....spammmmmm

[Coddfish]

WoW, I had never seen this. opiorg doesn't still support this do they? I would be sorely disappointed if they did.

[antony]

their location is by DePaul Universty at the hospital there. Used to live down the street from it. If you know that area, you know the people can afford to become junkies and then run to there and get clean. Its like putting a Porsche dealership in a wealthy area. Key demographics.

They're just selling a product like anyone else.

[shaunclo]

I have been told this so many times before, and now I am telling it.......there is no magic bullet. If you wanna fuck around with opies, well than you gotta pay to play.

But if there is a new anesthesia method (other than the one I have been hearing horror stories about) than I am all ears. Even though I would never be able to pay around 10 grand for a procedure like this. I wouldnt even be bale to pay 5 grand......shit I wouldnt even be able to pay 1 grand.

[shaunclo]

Actually if you think about how much money you really do spend on dope, 5 grand comes pretty fast. Atleast it did when I was using daily.

[antony]

Originally Posted by shaunclo

Actually if you think about how much money you really do spend on dope, 5 grand comes pretty fast. Atleast it did when I was using daily.

the same for me, but if someone came up and said i'll give you five grand cash to go get clean, I'd take the five grand buy a load of pills, lock myself in my room, and eventually get clean on my own.

I don't care about anyones depth of their addiction, if you wanna get clean, all it takes is some will and time. save your money for the vacation afterward.