Experiences with the three Z's, Zolpidem, Zopiclone, Zaleplon.

[john_doe]

This thread is about fellow opiophiles experiences with the drugs, Zolpidem (Ambien), Zopiclone (Imovane) and Zaleplon (Sonata). I do not know much about these drugs, but would love to hear about other's experiences with them. I think a thread about these drugs would be good for people wanting info on them since there aren't many threads about them on this site. I've heard they are like Benzodiazepenes but without the addictive traits, but i've also heard they are just as addictive as benzodiazepenes. Do they make you feel euphoric, or just plain sleepy? Do they make you feel drunk? Opied? Or give you hallucinations? Cause blackouts? What can you tell me about these novel drugs? Thanks so much for reading this. I look forward to your answers. Please write the ones you have tried with brief descriptions of the high or lack of high or good or bad side effects. It's up to you. Just make sure to specify which pill you are talking about! Thank you everyone!

[moviebuff927]

I've taken Ambien (both the instant release and the new CR)

My experience is that they're not as euphoric as the benzodiazepines (if you consider benzos euphoric at all) but they do better at putting me to sleep than the benzos. I just feel drowsy, a little ataxia, but mostly drowsiness.

It does have recreational potential, but to me it is very low especially compared to opiates, or even benzos. I'd rather have 20 Xanax bars than 100 Ambien. But that's just me.

I haven't had the pleasure of trying the other 2 Z's...

[Opuim4TheMasses]

Ive only tried Ambien of the three and it didnt do anything to me. Ive tried it about 3 times. 1st time taking 20mg, 2nf 40mg, 3rd 50mg...but i take k-pins, valium, atvan and xanax regularly.....i dont know about X-tolorance to these as they arent rx'ed to me...

[Seedy]

I was prescribed Zopiclone for insomnia (wd's). I'd definately only take them to get to sleep. The first night it took 3x 7.5 mg pills to knock me out & I woke up the next morning feeling a little groggy & confused, but nicely relaxed & feeling pretty good for work. Definately a good sleeping pill.

[Zoops]

this is the thread for moi! I have extensive experience abusing two of those "Z" drugs, and have taken the (S)-zopiclone on just two occasions (I mean I abused it on two occaisions). I will attempt to summarize what I know about these interesting (I thought I was the only cat who thought they were interesting) in this short space.

Zolpidem, marketed as "Ambien" was the first out of the three on the U.S. market. It was introduced sometime around 1993 or 1994, and was relatively unknown for the first few years. Basically no efforts at marketing the drug were made. I guess Searle just wanted to see if the demand would be self-generating, by word of mouth. I guess it wasn't because nowadays there's lots of TV ads for it (which leads me to ask why in the fuck can't I just buy the shit OTC??) Back about 10 years ago they had drug reps going about givin' out samples and telling docs to Rx for it, but other'n that nothing - advertising in earnest didnt' start until a few years ago, even thouhg the drug has been on the market for over ten years. It is the only "Z" drug which is in the form of a salt, in the pharmaceutical product - zolpidem tartrate - two molecules of zolp. to one molecule of tartaric acid. It is therefore very water soluble. More about that later.

Zolpidem kicks in fast when taken orally (I mean in like 5 to 10 minutes), and has a t 1/2 (half-life) of about 2 and a half hours. can cause intense amnesia in dosess above 20mg. I mean intense fucking amnesia. You wanna MAKE someone not remember something? Ambien, at about a 50-60mg dose should be your first choice. EXTREMELY SAFE IN OVERDOSE SITUATION.

Zolpidem, for me, in high doses (at or above 40mg oral) would make me slightly nauseated,, which is unheard of with tranq's. but I've heard of other folks gettin nausea from zolpidem.

The most radical aspect of zolpidem, with respect to the other members of the "Z" pseudo-benzo class, is its good water solubility. Scrape the film coating off of a 10mg tablet (very small, white oblong shaped caplet shape - "AMB 10" on one side. Crush the skinned/peeled ambient tablet and then put that powder into a suitable cooker. You'll need, ideally a 3ml detacheable needle syringe. You can cook up the ambien powder in the normal fashion, with water, but it's slightly difficult to get the solution to get "clear." Best you can hope for is sorta clear milky white. Like if you add a spoonfull of milk to a glass of water. Filter the best you can, but don't fret if it's not completely clear solution. It ain't going to happen.

slam that shit and oh mutherfuckin boy- 10mg dose IV will be quite the heavy hit because when taken orally, zolpidem is subjected to high first-pass hepatic metabolism - something like 40% gets inactivated in the first pass. so slamming all 10mg right into your bloodstream makes for qualitatively entirely different experience. It is hallucinogenic at high doses. If you inspect the molecular structure of zolpidem, you'll see that there are some definite commonalities between zolpidem and the hallucinogenic drug N,N-dimethyltryptamine. No lie, check it out. Mainly, the hallucinogenic effects I have experienced are a sheen of iridescent red and green pixels over everything and some closed-eye visuals. Some depersonalization can take hold when interacting with others in this condition.

Over all, for zolpidem tartrate - thumbs up. Be careful kids.

O.K., on to MY personal fave - zaleplon! Zaleplon, sold under the brand name "sonata" in this great country, is presented in the form of 5 and 10mg capsules. The 5mg dose is for 90 year old catatonic grannies. If your doctor tries to give you 5mg then slap the fuck out of him right there in his office!

Sonata comes in capsules. Powder inside the capsuls only fills up the capsule about halfway. You can take 'em orally, just make sure you got no food in your stomach, but the BEST DEAL with sonatas is that YOU CAN SNORT 'EM! That's right, snort 'em. You need two 10mg capsules (green and grey). snort the contents of one capsule up one nostril and the other up the other. Within like 30 seconds (prolly sooner) you will be fucking floored. Like zolpidem, zaleplon is slightly hallucinogenic when taken this way. Majorly causes amnesia too, so be careful! Half life of zaleplon is about 1 hour only.

Zaleplon won't dissolve in water so it is UNSHOOTABLE. don't neven try. Just snort 'em.!

As for zopiclone, or the (S)-isomer for sale inteh USA, it's the weakest of the three. Lasts the longest out of all of 'em. It's something like 8 hour half-life. It made me sleepy well into the next day. and there was no rush to speak of. Limited abuse potential . Don't waste your time with lunesta.

O.k, no get out there and scam some ambien and sonata off your freindly neighborhood docs!

[superman]

I get a good buzz from zopiclone, quite enjoyable.

haven't used the others

[Zoops]

hey Superman are you talking about the old racemic mixture zopiclone, which has been available for a long time outside the United States, sold under "imovane" or are you talking about the newer version of the drug, sold under the brand "lunesta" in the States? Lunesta is the purified "S" isomer of zopiclone - hence the name "eszopiclone."

Maybe the other isomer, the "R" isomers I'd presume, possesss some euphoric/buzz-inducing effects and that's why that isomer is not included in the US version. I though Lunesta was good for sleep, but it lasts quite a while and makes me sleepy the next day after I take it.

Zaleplon - sonata is the BOMB. Im'ma try and git some tomorrow.

[superman]

Originally Posted by Zoop

hey Superman are you talking about the old racemic mixture zopiclone, which has been available for a long time outside the United States, sold under "imovane"?

yes. though i know nothing of the stereoisomeric composition, i know the compound is called zopiclone. imovane must be a brand name, i have trouble remembering brands.

strange how safe it is when taken alone. saw the effects of 13(IIRC, don't bet your life on it) of these buggers on a buddy (he was very depressed at the time, this was a call for help). poison control said he'd be fine, and he was.

turned him into jelly, he couldn't get up, but he could try, but his muscles would only work in fraction of a second bursts. he could even talk(heavy slurr) during this stage.

not long after he went into a deep sleep, had to carry him someplace comfortable to sleep. stayed there for many many hours.

[Zoops]

Originally Posted by superman

yes. though i know nothing of the stereoisomeric composition, i know the compound is called zopiclone. imovane must be a brand name, i have trouble remembering brands.

strange how safe it is when taken alone. saw the effects of 13(IIRC, don't bet your life on it) of these buggers on a buddy (he was very depressed at the time, this was a call for help). poison control said he'd be fine, and he was.

turned him into jelly, he couldn't get up, but he could try, but his muscles would only work in fraction of a second bursts. he could even talk(heavy slurr) during this stage.

not long after he went into a deep sleep, had to carry him someplace comfortable to sleep. stayed there for many many hours.

Right on. Anyone who tries to kill themselves by taking an OD of zopiclone, eszopiclone ('Lunesta' in the United States), zolpidem or zaleplon is going to be big-time disappointed, because it CAN'T be done!

You can't kill yourself with these drugs! If you took a bunch of 'em and then shot yourself through the head, then that would work, but by themselves, they don't do nothing but put into a light coma.

[johnny27]

Zolpidem was my fav recreational drug for a long time when i was into trippy drugs, and just starting out on pharms. At 20mg, i was floored really, alot of hallucinogenic effects, i would be seeing little carton men running about. Also MAJOR audio halluciongions (sp?) really really funny ones, like little smurf voices, saying extremely funny shit, and it would seem to circle round my head, and could go from left to rite, also there would be major echoes. I think its called echolayia medically or something. I get it without drugs anyhow, due to poor mental health. I remeber i was on 20mg and was walking down my hallway, and all of a sudden, i could'nt see anything, just blackness, and a huge eagle, appered to me, and it made the most loudest deafening, and most realistic sound i've ever heard, just a huge "kwakk" like an eagle does, after that, i was gobsmacked with this drug, and was in stitches laughing for ages. Its really a stange drug and 20mg+, most def hallucinogenic, but in a really fun way, no bad trips, just fun

[johnny27]

also, i can confirm this drug hits you within 10 mintues or under. But only lasts about an hour, and its fades out so fast, its like your high, and within 5 minutes, the high is gone, and you just feel a little dizzy.

[DrMuffy]

Well i have tried all three of those drugs both recreationally and because i have insomnia. I have taken 20 mg of Zopidem on numerouse occasions and it did get me pretty hihg. I had minor visual effects but i was like in my own little world. As for Zopiclone or Eszopiclone i cannot find any hallucenagenic effects, but if you tke like 8-10 mg it will make you feel simalar to popping a couple valiums. Now Zaleplon worked pretty well for my, i have snorted it and felt pretty strong effects (closed eye visuals, visual distortions, streaking, so on) also if you pop a couple on an empty stomach you can get noticable effects simalar to a 1st or 2nd Platuea dose of DXM.

[Blind Melon]

When I was detoxing the first time I was given Ambien to get me to sleep. It would knock me out without fail, but never held me asleep longer than an hour or two, max. I would like to take it when not WDing to see how I would react to it, but overall not super, duper impressed. I definitely wouldn't mind getting my hands on the other Z's though, just to give 'em a shot. They sound slightly more recreational, and it's always good to have a nice sleeping aid around. Never know when my insomnia is going to kick back it, it comes and goes.

[Powdered Love]

I've tried all three and can honestly say I'm glad they cause amnesia because I never want to remember what I did while under their influence. First off, for me, taking Ambien gives me the same feeling as I could imagine getting from slamming my head into a concrete wall. I get dizzy, hallucinate a little, then COMPLETELY FORGET WHAT I DID FOR THE NEXT 4 HOURS. One situation, I was told, included me trying to pick a fight with my girlfriend's father while standing naked in his room at 3:30 in the morning because he wouldn't give me his "vikes". Try waking up to that story in the morning and having no recollection of it whatsoever. FUN.

Sonata: Same things as ambien

Lunesta: Pretty much no activity there at all... except for the fact that my mouth tastes like I GAVE A BLOWJOB TO A RUSTY CAR MUFFLER. Seriously, when they say a side effect is "metallic taste" they are not lying! It's really bad.

To this day I can vaguely remember standing in the shower in the wee hours of the morning, half clothed, with water spraying all over me and shaving cream all over the bathroom... this class of drug makes me to very, very strange things, almost all of which I forget until someone tells me what kind of fucked up shit I was doing the night before.

You don't have to take my advice, but, I know I will try very hard to never take any of these drugs ever again.

[Zoops]

UPDATE:

This just in. Someone who isn't me has been for the past few days, once daily, crushing up a 2mg "Lunesta" (eszopicline/ (S)-zopiclone), mixing it with 1ml of water, cooking, filtering and slamming the resulting solution.

Immediately, a nasty-ass taste becomes apparent. sort of bitter/medicinal taste. Some of the green and red pixellated visual effects anyone who has abused ambien or sonata is familiar with will follow, and then the feeling eases into a relaxed tranqulized, state, similar to a light dose of ambien.

The stuff breaks down really well. Just heat it up good. It would be a hoot to mix with a shot of some kind of opiate.

overandout