New way to bang MSContin

[jab]

This was posted on A.D.H today and I thought I'd pass it along here.. It's a method for banging MSContin, sans filter (that part makes me nervous). This is not related to me in anyway, but I thought some others might like to check it out too.

http://dhost.info/cdun/

Here is the text from the site.. It has images and step-by-step also.

I don?t use a filter for drawing up MS Contin. This is because the buff within Contins in not gritty. It all breaks down and is relatively beniegn, so it isn?t a problem is little amounts slip into the syringe when drawing it up. Just be careful to not draw up larger chunks as it has the tendency of plugging the needle when it cools off. As well, by not using a filter I get the maximum morphine content as I don?t have to worry about morphine getting trapped in the wax in the filter.
Here?s my method. I break down the MSContin as thoroughly as possible with a pistal/mortar routine using the bottom end of a small peeling knife (black hard rounded plastic end) in the spoon. It really breaks it down to light, fluffy power. Then I use the bottom end of the syringe?s plunger to break down even more finely the few little sand size balls that might remain.
Once it is the finest powder I can possible make, I add 130 units of water for a whole pill (each marking on syringe barrel is one unit, so that's a full syringe and another third of water). I hold the spoon with watery mixture over an electric stove (or a candle) and watch as the powder melts into the water, shaking the spoon a bit so it all breaks down thoroughly. Once it is completely melted, I put the center of the spoon directly onto the stove?s element and a quick boil begins in the middle. The boil point creates a clear liquidy pocket right in the middle of the mixture which is where I put the needle point to do the drawing up into the syringe.
I put a clean needle right in the middle of the liquid pocket and draw up the just boiled liquid. I draw up slowly enough that a strong suction current is avoided, and thus none of the gunk within the spoon gets pulled up into the barrel. Gunk might start collecting around the tip but very little actually goes inside it - only the very smallest of particles. Once all the liquid is drawn up, I withdraw the needle point from the spoon, and clean the end with a tissue, and clear any air bubbles from the syringe.
The syringe?s barrel might now be 60% full. I now add another 15 units of water into the spoon, and repeat the cooking. Again I draw up from boiled clear pocket of liquid and now the syringe might be 85% full.
I add about 15 units more of water, re-cook, and this last draw is very liquid. This is so that the liquid in the end of the syringe will easily start out of the needle as I?m shooting. I want that initial flow as I begin injecting so that the remaining thicker mixture comes out easily from the needle and any little chunks can pass out and not plug it up.
Try not to get any solid undiluted chunks of the pill?s powder into the needle while drawing up the boiled liquid. By avoiding little chunks the mixture in the syringe will stay fine when it cools and not reform into little solid chunks that might block it from passing back out the needle tip. I sometimes will prepare several fixes in a row and they remain fine and liquidy in the syringe for hours. Remember, this is even when not using a filter as long as care is employed to slowly draw up the morphine mixture so as to avoid getting any gunk into the syringe.
If I have a pill and a half crushed up in the spoon, I?d initially use 145 units of water in the first cook. Two whole MS Contin pills would take 160 units of water in the first cook. Then, depending on how much liquid is drawn into the syringe on the first pull up, I determine how much more water to add into the spoon for the second cook. But its usually no more than 20 units of water needed to ensure the second cook is appropriately liquid. Usually after the second cook/pull up the syringe is filled right to the 100 units point - leaving just enough space to flag to determine I?m in a vein.
And by the way, often I?ll be using a 29 guage ultra-fine 1 cc needle and they rarely plug. Of course, the larger, more common 28 guage needle is even less likely to plug. However, if there is a little wax plug right in the tip after you draw up the heated mixture, just a tap the needle point onto the hot stove element and the plug melts. You?ll always want to always check for any blockage by pushing up on the plunger until a little drop of the mixture appears at the tip of the needle. As long as a little drop appears in the tip of the needle when you apply a slight push on the plunger, you know the mixture is good and liquid. And therefore should easily flow out of the needle when you do your injection.

Here is the A.D.H link.. http://tinyurl.com/zj33a

[SirDonkeyPunch]

i was reading that last night, doesnt seem safe, i thought that stuff had talc in it or whatever. in any case i wouldnt want to bang anything without a filter. did he even mention the brand in his write-up / pictorial

[jab]

LOL.. what made me laugh was that he says, in the A.D.H post "On the other hand, chaulky type pills like Dilaudid totally require a filter. But name brand Purdue Frederick MS Contin and its 2 or 3 common generics definately do not."

Ah, ok, sure!

Interesting though, I may try it tonight, only with a filter.. But that's me.

Be safe all!!

Originally Posted by SirDonkeyPunch

i was reading that last night, doesnt seem safe, i thought that stuff had talc in it or whatever. in any case i wouldnt want to bang anything without a filter. did he even mention the brand in his write-up / pictorial

[SirDonkeyPunch]

reading further into it he says thinks like

"Gunk might start collecting around the tip but very little actually goes inside it - only the very smallest of particles."

And:

I want that initial flow as I begin injecting so that the remaining thicker mixture comes out easily from the needle and any little chunks can pass out and not plug it up.
Try not to get any solid undiluted chunks of the pill?s powder into the needle while drawing up the boiled liquid. By avoiding little chunks the mixture in the syringe will stay fine when it cools and not reform into little solid chunks that might block it from passing back out the needle tip

he fucking sees that there are "CHUNKS". You dont lose that much substance using a filter cotton, and theyre handy to have for withdrawal. i dont know why someone would benefit from not filtering.

[shaunclo]

This guy is a complete idiot and should be shot (if he is not dead already from all the crap he is injecting from not filtering) for giving out such wrong info.

Some gunk might get in????? WTF, that shit will get your arm amputated if done wrong, I cant believe how many people dont filter, it is just unfuckinbelievable!!!

[superman]

Just be careful to not draw up larger chunks as it has the tendency of plugging the needle when it cools off

a hot solution should never ever ever be drawn up. I agree this guy is a fucking nimrod

[jab]

I gave this a quick go and it seems to work, but I can see, like with crisping, it takes some practice.

The difference being that I drew up the solution and put it into a seperate clean spoon, then drew through a filter (though a wheel filter would be optimal). It worked good, no real complaints. The solution was clear, unlike crisping, which is nice. It was strong, so the yeild was pretty good for a first go, and there were no visible solids at all (and yes I understand that there is stuff I probably can't see in there, but I think any method suffers the same).

Again, and I want to state this clearly, I DO NOT recommend ANYONE shoot ANYTHING without filtering (unless it's desinged to be shot without filter, like the injectable morphs, etc)!! I only posted this as a different cooking techniquie to examine, and because we all like pretty pictures (especially of people doing drugs).

[SirDonkeyPunch]

im only used to mallinkrodt contins. i dont think this method would work out like that so hot for those.

[jab]

Originally Posted by SirDonkeyPunch

im only used to mallinkrodt contins. i dont think this method would work out like that so hot for those.

Indeed, that is EXACTLY what I used, 100mg Mallinkrodt MSContin; grey coating. Cleaned the coating, followed steps, worked! Like I said, it takes some practice. The main thing is to use the slight bubbles from the heating to push aside the goopy stuff; leaving a fairly clear solution in the middle. It takes some manipulation but I'm sure I could perfect this in no time.. and probably will.

Also, make sure to crush them COMPLETLEY, so they are as fine as possible; no chunks. And use a big spoon, it requires a lot of water.

[SirDonkeyPunch]

so i found this interesting little tidbit of info from reading deeper into it

As well, by not using a filter I get the maximum morphine content as I don’t have to worry about morphine getting trapped in the wax in the filter.

first i thought the New ms contins used a silicone based compound to gel in the presence of water. and second of all... if you got a 100mg of morph in a spoon, and you put a filter in there after you cook. isnt there a minimal loss maybe of 5mg because of it sticking to the cotton and whatnot. In my case i wouldnt risk going blind and/or amputation, just for a small extra bit of 'phine... i always found the cotton handy to have around during w/d.

[shaunclo]

When you filter you lose a little bit always, but what is 5mg's anyways, and I agree I always save my cottons for desperate times. But I don not save my cottons from pills, I just thow em in my mouth and suck on em after I draw up. For some reason, saving cottons from a pill filtration just doesnt seem like something I wanna re-draw from.

So what I am saying is I only save my cottons from tar or powdered H, if its a pill, I just suck on the cotton.

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

Not only is it nesscessary to always ue a filter but that sure does sound like way to much water.I say use a filter and cut down on the water and you would cut the work in half and getjust as high if not higher.
I have never IV'd without a filter>way to dangerous and also seeminI've caught cotten fever 5-6 times and gotten extremely sick I also wouldn't reccomend saving cotten balls,but I know people that have done it and never had any problems.That was what I used to do with the cottens but after the cotten fever I got aftersafely doing it several times I will never save cottens again.I just suck on them after I'm done preparing the mixture and then throw them away,but then thats a whole other great thread to read if you get the chance.

[SirDonkeyPunch]

well the more water you use the more safer it is. The inards of your body arent too keen on concentrated solutions running thru the veins. I have some 3cc boys i might have to use because.....

ITS MY BIRTHDAY TODAY! And i got awarded 3-30mg ms contins as a party favor from an old friend. now i got his number and can get a hold of him so that'll help me out. in any case i crushed and powdered 2 of them. Then i add a small bit of acetic acid (i know its kinda inconclusive, but i find a better rush when i use a small amount) and then a buncha water. and it just gelled up on me. it looked like a thin enough solution to draw up but it didnt work. and just for kicks i didnt use a filter drawing it up (i wasnt gonna slam it, ya silly goose) but it just clogged right up. i dont have a heating element and i used a lighter on the lowest setting, really far away from my cooker.

is surface area a concern here. my cookers i get from the exchange are just like bottle caps, in that their the same style. should i stoop to the spoon. I dont know but these cookers i get seem to get more outta my shots (IE, not sticking to the large surface area of a spoon). But even before i used heat it gelled up on me. so wtf. damn mallinkrodts.

[bogumil]

Are MSCOntin the capsules with the many little pillies in them?

Those can easily be prepared like this:

About 5 of the capsules are breaken open and the pillies are dropped into a little glass vial.
Water is added and HCl is added until the pH is 5 - 6.
It is left alone over night, at least 12, better 24 hours.
The clear liquid is drawn into a syringe or decanted.
It is filtered and then dried.

Thats it. The morphine goes into the aqueous, cause the pillies are made to release it into the acidic milieu in our digestion tracks. Only the pH should be below 5-6 because this would hurt tissue. PH below 3 wouldnt be good for the morphine itself...

[SirDonkeyPunch]

interesting.... perhaps the acetic acid ive been using has been acting the same way kinda as its stronger brother hcl. in any case, does that just wash the morphine out and leave it in a seperate layer. thats the visual i have in my head anyway. A lot of times when i get pills i cant hold on to em for that long....much less wait 24 hours for a good fix.

does the hcl method work with pills that have a crazy matrix, like the mallinkrodts. i tried crisping mine but i didnt do it all the way thru, and as i added water i got a nice dark brown hue (much like that of a good shot of dope) however there was still tons of goo. i need to perfect my method for crisping pills, and ill probably post it here in the morphine board.

anyone else got some experience with crispings....and can do it WELL.