opiophile.org

Go Back   Opiophile.org > Opiates/Opioids > Methadone
Home FAQ Members List Events Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

WE AGGRESSIVELY BAN ALL THOSE WHO ATTEMPT TO ENGAGE IN SOLICITATION OF ANY KIND.

Notices

Methadone Topics concerning Methadone should be posted here. This could include maintenance, Q & A, dependence, withdrawal, or even supply.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-09-2009, 02:19 PM   #1
DCBA
OpioNoMo
 
DCBA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: No need to say it here
Posts: 1,400
DCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really nice
Default Daily Low-Dose DXM and Magnesium with Methadone

Since about a week i've been taking a low dose of dxm (about 15mg to 20mgs) with my methadone (40mgs) together with magnesium milk.
I've noticed a few things, one is that i get more relaxed from the methadone and it lasts more, i dont wake up in withdrawal like i used to before using the dxm.
I don't feel the methadone like an opiate but more like something else, it will relax me but it will give some NMDA antagonist effects like when i close my eyes i start lucid dreaming with toughts and words i ear from the environment.

So i think that DXM+Magnesium milk+Methadone does increase the methadone effects making it last longer but it dont feel like methadone, it feels more like a very very low dose of ketamine taken with the done. So the combo probably increases the effects of DXM more than the methadone itself.

But one think that the combo is very good for is constipation, by taking DXM+Magnesium Milk with my methadone i'm able to shit everysingle day one or twice a day and its a lot easier and softer.

So the combo may decrease opiate tolerance but it doeesnt increase the opiate effects, its the dxm effects that are increased. But if anyone needs to make the dose last longer its a possibility.
DCBA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2009, 06:53 PM   #2
Paregoric Kid
Never Looked Back
 
Paregoric Kid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 3,385
Paregoric Kid has much to be proud ofParegoric Kid has much to be proud ofParegoric Kid has much to be proud ofParegoric Kid has much to be proud ofParegoric Kid has much to be proud ofParegoric Kid has much to be proud ofParegoric Kid has much to be proud ofParegoric Kid has much to be proud ofParegoric Kid has much to be proud ofParegoric Kid has much to be proud ofParegoric Kid has much to be proud of
Default Re: Daily Low-Dose DXM and Magnesium with Methadone

yeah I always take at least 500mg of magnesium with my methadone. if I can I also take between 10-60mg of DXM. the magnesium, and probably the DXM too, also helps stop constipation.
__________________
"The magnitude of pleasure reaches its limit in the removal of all pain. When such pleasure is present, so long as it is uninterrupted, there is no pain either of body or of mind or of both together." -Epicurus
Sign the Petition to Urge the PA General Assembly to Oppose the Methadone Accountability Package
The Sick Life | OpioWiki | AllYourSpeechAreBelongToUs.tk | The Hasheesh Eater
http://lp.org http://www.campaignforliberty.com/
Sign the Petition to Urge the Pennsylvania General Assembly to Pass the Compassionate Use Medical Marijuana Act
Paregoric Kid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2009, 08:54 PM   #3
DCBA
OpioNoMo
 
DCBA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: No need to say it here
Posts: 1,400
DCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really nice
Default Re: Daily Low-Dose DXM and Magnesium with Methadone

My magnesium is in milk liquid so i don't know how much it contains, but i take 40mls, the usual for constipation, for faster stomach cleaning is only 20mls.
So the magnesium has 2 or 3 advantages, 1st, its deals with the constipation; 2nd, it absorbs the methadone from the stomach much faster and maybe increase BA; 3rd, it has NMDA antagonism properties too, so that will reduce also the tolerance.

Why the broad range for DXM (10 to 60mg) you take? Does it do/feel anything different in the higer dose of 60mgs?

Yeah, but they work great together from constipation, nowadays i shit 1 to 3 times daily and i used to shit only 1 time every couple of days if not more, and that while taking the magnesium, so the dxm must be doing something too.

While i really believe they are reducing my tolerance, because the peak lasts longer and the methadone lasts to the next day.. But for now they don't have increased the euphoria from the opiates. They must reduce tolerance but not increase euphoria. But if you reduce the tolerance and then stop the dxm it may probably increase the euphoria due to a low tolerance, but i haven't tried that.
DCBA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2009, 11:46 PM   #4
jacky
O P I O P H O U N D E R
 
jacky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: northwest united stated.
Posts: 2,033
jacky is a name known to alljacky is a name known to alljacky is a name known to alljacky is a name known to alljacky is a name known to alljacky is a name known to alljacky is a name known to alljacky is a name known to alljacky is a name known to alljacky is a name known to alljacky is a name known to all
Default Re: Daily Low-Dose DXM and Magnesium with Methadone

I took DMX in low doses for over a year straight...alongside poppy seeds, tramadol, codeine ordered from canada..

DXM really does help clean up some of the sloppy side effects of an opiate habit...
but I noticed even in low doses, paranormal, mystical, and delusional side effects work their way into your life.
imagine that just one person taking a substance can effect others within days of the substance being administered...

I suffered withdrawal at the end of the dosage regimine...but I had slid into some abusive use of DXM....on a daily basis I took at least 40-50 milligrams of DXM in various forms....the slow release delsym...which is my favorite...and also the high powered pure DXM in water with a tad bit of ethanol.

DXM withdrawal took place after the 3-4 day of quitting. it was very similiar to stimulant withdrawal, and also anti depressant withdrawal.

there were some hard facts to clean up after a year of being amazed by everything.

I can see why the FDA legalized DMX for opiate side effects...but they only legalized this in the form of morphidex...which was a 50/50 blend of DXM and morphine...I found out why they dont legalize this for all opiate users....because it only is worth the risk if you are a chronic/terminal patient.

I think occasional weekly use is all one needs to positively impact a opiate regimine....I found that 80 milligrams taken once a week helped the tolerance issues, the bowel issues..

and like one poster above mentioned, magnesium and calcium too are an opiate addicts freind.

I dont want to discourage people invesigating the sometimes amazing effect that DXM can have on a habit....but I also want to warn people away from daily use.
I wasnt taking large amounts of DXM...but I did find on the weekends that I might take up to 300 milligrams in a day...
I could not take more than 300 milligrams at any given time and have a good experience....the compound quickly becomes toxic to me..
so I was not a person taking above 300 milligrams a day...or at a time.

even low doses of 50-80 milligrams a day started to have a cumulative effect.

now, I have been diagnosed as an operable schizophrenic...whatever that means. the psychologist explained that it partly has to do with my belief system which is not of the norm, and not consigned to the christian religion that dominates this country...

I never had a break in reality on DXM of what was going on around me at the time...most people had no idea I was using the substance. I never had a break with physical reality....
the break of reality that I experienced was dealing with emotions, and individuals, and over time, misinterpreting all sorts of world events.

there is a small dosage difference between this substance DXM enhancing ones motivational drive, and allowing for some interesting thought processes to be discovered. certian paranormal events I experienced seemed enhanced by DXM.....certian ritualistic events seemed enhanced by me being on DXM.
for the first few months...I experienced a rebirth of sorts.

I think if I would have kept the dosage at or below 50 milligrams, and not taken it everyday for over a year...I might not have had some of the delusional thinking, and overstimulation.....my sleep pattern was fucked sometimes that year.
sleep on daily DXM is a strange bird...more like watching 300 gears of reality enmeshing chaotically to produce a synergy that resembles sleep...but also seems more like multitasking metadrive human soul potential...ha ha....I felt like when I went to sleep, I became a god of sorts, I would descend from a divine experience every night, and wake up to an amazing life and future.

after quitting DXM I quit worrying about future events.
it took me months to get back into daily life...
I realized that a few more years of that practice and I would probably have become a lonely hermit.

DXM has potential...but its a slippery substance...that can ramp up euphoria and motivational drive, and that can be disastrous in some hands.
I suggest weekly maintenance with the substance....or short term daily as an augmentation device...and only in established addicts that have gone through other detox treatments
__________________
jacky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2009, 06:17 AM   #5
DCBA
OpioNoMo
 
DCBA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: No need to say it here
Posts: 1,400
DCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really niceDCBA is just really nice
Default Re: Daily Low-Dose DXM and Magnesium with Methadone

Some experiments. I stoped doing dxm for 2 days and i could defenatly feel my dose way more. Seems like dextromethorfan did reduce opiate tolerance but at the same time it reduces it opiate effects.

I try to explain better, when you take low doses of dextromethorphan (maybe high doses are different, maybe not..) with your dose of opiates (methadone in this case) you will feel that the dxm somehow took over the opiate effect. In the case of methadone the combination of done and low dose dxm brings on some effects of dxm abuse effects, i suspect its becasuse of them both are NMDA antagonist and must boost eacth other.
When mixing low dose dxm with done you don't feel the methadone as much, but there is some mental effects, but more dxm'ish like than opiate...
..So you don't feel as much, but you notice the methadone lasts longer when taken with low dxm dose

If you stop taking the dxm you notice the methadone/opiate effects more because of the reduced tolerance creating by taking dxm for a few days/weeks.

At least for me, it seems that low dose dxm real reduces opiate tolerance but there is a price to pay, when you take the dxm together with the opiate, the dxm will overpower the opiates effect and making less strong, but hey then you win... after you take it for a few days you will need less opiate for the same effect..

Low dose dxm is real useful in tapering schedules, because it reduces opiate tolerance, it make the opiate last longer, and at the same time makes the opiate less strongly felt (only in euphoria, the pain is still less and no wd..). That are things really useful in an opiate tapering.
DCBA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2009, 07:27 AM   #6
Thanat0s
Never Looked Back
 
Thanat0s's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: UWS NYC
Posts: 2,615
Thanat0s has much to be proud ofThanat0s has much to be proud ofThanat0s has much to be proud ofThanat0s has much to be proud ofThanat0s has much to be proud ofThanat0s has much to be proud ofThanat0s has much to be proud ofThanat0s has much to be proud ofThanat0s has much to be proud ofThanat0s has much to be proud ofThanat0s has much to be proud of
Default Re: Daily Low-Dose DXM and Magnesium with Methadone

is there anything dxm CANT do?
__________________

"...i paid a visit to Schrodinger in his vienna apartment before his death... There were no cats. I was told he did not like cats."
-quantam leaps, bernstein.

(thanatos)

[
'thiscapriciouswhim'
]

'how'Strange' itis tobe:AnythingatAll.'
Thanat0s is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Free email with automatic encryption, virus scanning and spam filtering - sign up for Hushmail today!




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
(c) 2002-2008 Opiophile.org
[Output: 77.83 Kb. compressed to 69.94 Kb. by saving 7.89 Kb. (10.14%)]