Strength of average bag compared to, say, an OC80?

[dugwylor]

New to H and I'm surprised that I'm having to IV something like 3-3 1/2 bags to get what I'm thinking is the "real" heroin feeling. (My tolerance is moderate, but complete chump change compared to what a lot of people have to deal with.) It got me thinking about how potent the average bag of dope really is these days. Sorry if this question's been asked before, but how much oxycodone do you guys think the average bag would equal up to, roughly? (I say oxy as it's probably the most common pharm, and most everyone has experience with it.) How about the better than average stuff? Complete fire? Shit heroin? Mostly I'm curious about powder but people with tar experience please chime in too if you'd like. Oh, I should say that I'm wondering mostly about potency of the heroin IV'd to the oxy snorted or parachuted (not also IV'd). As that's also the most common ROA for that drug.

Also, how much do you find potency varies (also in terms of comparing to oxy if at all possible, just to make it easy to understand/kind of quantifiable)?

Thanks much for your input. Just trying to figure out how bad the stuff I got really is, and based on that if I want to ever get H again... At present the rush/peak of around 2 and a half to 3 bags seems to be feeling like the peak of 4-5 (good) pods, but then the pods last all day whereas the heroin lasts just a few short hours... I'm wondering if I'll even sleep through the night after that last shot and no pods today.

[The_Highwayman]

I have some good info for this due to two experiences...first was when I first wanted to try H and met a dealer he was trying to get me to NOT take it and asked about my tolerance. At that time I was only using buprenex so it's pretty benign compared to other opies and he told me to rail two OC eighties and if I could handle it to call him. I had a little oxy experience and twenty mgs would put me on my ass so that put me off some. The second was during the height if my addiction I was shooting dope and getting focus from a croaker depending on the bag I was doing average three bags per shot and I would do three thirty mg in a shot so ninety mgs doing the math that would be thirty mg roxi equals one bag of dope but dope is so different region to region stamp to stamp bag to bag dealer to dealer it's really hard to say. That's the one things pharms will have over street dope everytime is you know what's in a roxycodone thirty

[chopstix]

Here in coastal Norcal, where the dope ain't all that, but it's cheap: I'd say *maybe* 100mg oc is about what I can get for $10 in black, Even if the dope is weak, as long as it's dope, no comparo..

I can get roxis dirt cheap and I feel them, but they don't get me anywhere near as loaded as the dope does.. Biggest OC shot I've done is about 150mg, which would cost me $20.. That much black I'd be lit all day..

[Liptonbuddy]

Before I started IVing dope, I would usually take 100-200mgs+ of morphine orally, and usually around 120mgs of Oxy orally to get my buzz on pretty good.

When I switched to shooting heroin, for the first month or so, a half a $10 pack would completely wreck my ass for almost a day and a half. Not sure if the dope was just that good, or the fact I went from oral opiate consumption to IV use, but in my eyes, IV heroin use was much, much stronger than eating loads of pills.

[Chemical_Boy]

Originally Posted by chopstix

Here in coastal Norcal, where the dope ain't all that, but it's cheap: I'd say *maybe* 100mg oc is about what I can get for $10 in black, Even if the dope is weak, as long as it's dope, no comparo..

I can get roxis dirt cheap and I feel them, but they don't get me anywhere near as loaded as the dope does.. Biggest OC shot I've done is about 150mg, which would cost me $20.. That much black I'd be lit all day..

You get the cheapest stuff on a regular basis of anyone I have known. I seem to think I remember you saying the quality is way down there though.... I would be curious to see what you say if you could compare the Tar you get and the Tar in say, Denver. Unless you can already make this comparison. What do you think man?



To OP:
I think that the tar that I used to get, which comes from Denver would make this ratio with OCs:

2-3 OC 80mgs = 1 balloon black ($20). Mostly I would say 3 OC80s.....

Been too long since I have had Jersey powder stamp bags....

But 1 ten dollar (sometimes 15) bag would be like 3/4 to one bag of what I used to get (circa 2003)in New Jersey.

Dope way cheaper to maintain on. 2 to 3 times cheaper on average is my general rule of thumb.

[OverDriven]

General opinion is that on AVERAGE, 1 bag of dope = 80mg OC.

[chopstix]

Originally Posted by Chemical_Boy

You get the cheapest stuff on a regular basis of anyone I have known. I seem to think I remember you saying the quality is way down there though.... I would be curious to see what you say if you could compare the Tar you get and the Tar in say, Denver. Unless you can already make this comparison. What do you think man?

Yeah the quality here is low, and the whole west coast has been in steady decline since the mid 90s, there is good dope around, but where I live is a bit isolated from the rest of the bay area and there aren't a lot of choices, fuckers know they can cut the shit to hell and get away with it.. Lately here it's been a little better, lighter in color instead of jet black but I'm not doing much black, I really wish I didn't know where to get it atm..

Someone told me recently that the dope in Salinas, which is ~45 minutes south, has been really, really good lately - like .2 would be a big shot for most; but I'm not gonna go down there to find out and get my throat cut.

Funny you mention Denver, I did a $20 shot there earlier this year and it knocked me on my ass; it was maybe .2 tenths, really not a big piece and I had to muscle it, which turned out to be a good thing as I think I might have od'd if I put it in a vein, it was *really* good dope, much stronger than anything I've seen on the west coast in a long time. I think their grams were $70 or so... I don't know if that was just a really good piece or if all dope is that good, but I'm generally pretty tolerant, and that shit kicked my ass.

[pdxninja]

3 and a half bags? wow

i was plugging 120mg of oc before i switched to h, and maybe .1-.15 of tar plugged would get me FUCKED up at the time.

[upstate_007]

My first opiate experience was with h. I snorted a bumb the size of a match head of NYC powder and god good and fucked up. One bag could keep me and my girl high as shit for a day or two.

But, of course there is so much variation in quality in dope. Tar or powder is a big one. Even with powder from a certain city there is wild variation. Even day to day at the same spot.

If I had to compare OC to what I remember of NYC dope I would say that an OC 80 is about equal to an average quality $10 bag of dope. A really good bag could equal 2 or more 80s. A shitty bag could equal 20mg of OC.

It's a real hard question to answer with any definitive answer.

Bottom line......9 times out of 10 h will get you fucked up for cheaper. Then that opens a whole new world of hurt.

[odd]

Originally Posted by chopstix

Here in coastal Norcal, where the dope ain't all that, but it's cheap: I'd say *maybe* 100mg oc is about what I can get for $10 in black, Even if the dope is weak, as long as it's dope, no comparo..

I can get roxis dirt cheap and I feel them, but they don't get me anywhere near as loaded as the dope does.. Biggest OC shot I've done is about 150mg, which would cost me $20.. That much black I'd be lit all day..

Going to have to agree with this. However I will say that OC's have some legs. When I could not cop I got a few OC 80's and 1 would hold me all day. The prices for them are way too much though so I stick with my black homie.

[chopstix]

^^ See that's one thing I don't like about OC - no legs. But I've only had Oxycontin a couple times in my life, most OC I've had is IR roxis.. And they come on nice if you have enough of them, but the legs are for shit imo..

[cactus31]

^

Hell, back when I was only popping pills, I'd buy oxycodone IRs (generic Roxi 30's), and I absolutely, positively noticed a difference between the legs I'd get from say, standard oxycodone like Percocet vs those damn IRs!!

The IRs, while they hit fast; don't last as long. Of course, I don't have any science to back it up, but I am 100% sure of it.

I'm sure the almighty Google could turn up something to corroborate this. I may go have a look in a second...

[OxyBlowBall2]

when i first started h i got these 20 bags where id say 3/4ths of the bag would be equal to an oc 80. im not sure what the bags usually weighed out too, i never checked. they were pretty decent sized though.

[squareone]

i can get as high as an 80 would get me smoking half a gram of heroin, thats 15 dollars worth

[Chemical_Boy]

Originally Posted by chopstix

Yeah the quality here is low, and the whole west coast has been in steady decline since the mid 90s, there is good dope around, but where I live is a bit isolated from the rest of the bay area and there aren't a lot of choices, fuckers know they can cut the shit to hell and get away with it.. Lately here it's been a little better, lighter in color instead of jet black but I'm not doing much black, I really wish I didn't know where to get it atm..

Someone told me recently that the dope in Salinas, which is ~45 minutes south, has been really, really good lately - like .2 would be a big shot for most; but I'm not gonna go down there to find out and get my throat cut.

Funny you mention Denver, I did a $20 shot there earlier this year and it knocked me on my ass; it was maybe .2 tenths, really not a big piece and I had to muscle it, which turned out to be a good thing as I think I might have od'd if I put it in a vein, it was *really* good dope, much stronger than anything I've seen on the west coast in a long time. I think their grams were $70 or so... I don't know if that was just a really good piece or if all dope is that good, but I'm generally pretty tolerant, and that shit kicked my ass.

Stuff in denver is fairly consistent. Varies a little from one guy to the next, but not too much usually. I OD'd on a denver bag once.

But yeah... It is decent tar around here usually.