How much can you fit in a 1cc Rig?

[euphoricontin17]

Hey guys, Luckily my tolerance has gone down due to a lack of money lately, but I have a question as to how much is the most you guys will put in your 1cc rigs. I think the solubility of oxyC is a little bit as in (1mg more) than 160mg/ml/cc. This makes sense as I have shot 2 80's in a 100 unit solution and it felt EXACTLY the same as 3 80's in a 100 unit solution however the "wash for the 3 80 shot was VERY potent. Makes perfect sense. So I am assuming that the most, saying you use the common 1cc jawns (wish I could get 3cc 29/28 gauges that'd be sweet) you can shoot at once is 160 mgs or 2 80's. Quite a shame because I've really been fantasizing about a 400mg shot. I love that metallic/electric oxy rush.

[blackman]

Yea man, I would say 3 or 4 is probably the maximum you could fit in a 1cc rig just because the amount of water you have to use.

You might be able to concentrate a solution of a lot more pills, but I wouldn't have any idea as to how to go about doing it.

I guess you could always load up 3 or 4 rigs and bang em in succession. Probably a bad idea though.
Probably really difficult to do as well.

[Tainted]

That seems to make sense, but if you lookup the MSDS for oxycodone I found this

http://bulkpharm.mallinckrodt.com/_a...msds/OXONE.htm

Solubility:
10 g in 100 g of water.

Doesn't really make sense to me, unless it's talking about the binders and fillers as well?

[norseman]

If you are are looking for the 3cc syringes, check out any local farm supply store like TSC. They will stock 3cc syringes right up to 60cc. You need the luer lock pins tho, and they will stock those as well, but usually in larger gauges typically from 16-25 gauge

[Tainted]

Originally Posted by euphoricontin17

Hey guys, Luckily my tolerance has gone down due to a lack of money lately, but I have a question as to how much is the most you guys will put in your 1cc rigs. I think the solubility of oxyC is a little bit as in (1mg more) than 160mg/ml/cc. This makes sense as I have shot 2 80's in a 100 unit solution and it felt EXACTLY the same as 3 80's in a 100 unit solution however the "wash for the 3 80 shot was VERY potent. Makes perfect sense. So I am assuming that the most, saying you use the common 1cc jawns (wish I could get 3cc 29/28 gauges that'd be sweet) you can shoot at once is 160 mgs or 2 80's. Quite a shame because I've really been fantasizing about a 400mg shot. I love that metallic/electric oxy rush.

I was just thinking, Oxycodone may have a solubility rate of 160mg/ml, but that is probably just pure Oxycodone right? In reality, it may be a lot less then that, since there are some water solubles in the pill other then OC right? That could lower the amount of OC that actually soaks into the solution. Unless I'm totally misunderstanding how solubility works.

In my experience, I think that you can shoot more then 160mg in a shot, but it just decreases in effienecy greatly after that point. More gets left behind then absorbs into the solution, but it doesn't completely top out at 160mg. (Just guessing from ancedotal experience)

[Woody Bear]

From my post in another thread: http://forum.opiophile.org/showpost....5&postcount=63

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According to the Material Safety Data Sheet for Oxycodone hydrochloride, it's solubility is 10 g per 100 g water. 1 mL water weighs 1 g, so that's the same as 10 g per 100 mL.
See: http://bulkpharm.mallinckrodt.com/_a...msds/OXONE.htm

Now 10 g per 100 mL water is the same as 1 gram in 10 mL or 100 mg in 1 mL.
However, note that the figure is exactly 10 g in 100 mL. In chemistry, solubility data is practically never as smooth as that. The actual figure is going to be more like 9.76 g per 100 mL at 20°C, or 13.34 g per 100 mL at 25°C. I don't know what the real figure is, because I've not read it anywhere, I've only found this rough guideline instead.

They didn't give the range, but because they said 10 g per 100 mL, it's not likely to be very close to 1 g per 100 mL or 20 g per 100 mL. They gave that figure, so that people preparing it, would be able to know how much water it would take to easily dissolve it, and not have problems with it precipitating out of solution.

So I'd guess that 10 g would easily dissolve in 100 mL, and you'd probably be able to dissolve 15 g in 100 mL without to much trouble. But 20 g per 100 mL would be pushing it for production purposes anyway.
Anyways, I'd guess that you could easily fit 1 OC80 in 1 mL, 2 would be pushing it, 3 would be an incomplete extraction, and there would be loads left in the the powder that gets filtered out. And you'd waste loads without doing a second rinse.

What you're seeing with dissolving 6 pills of OC80 in 1 mL, then having it go solid, is a recrystalisation. Sure it will dissolve when hot, but at room temperature, the solution can't hold this much oxycodone, so as it cools and crystalises out, the solution turns from a liquid into a thick gel.

You can't shoot hot solutions without vein damage. If you've experimented and found that 5 pills wouldn't solidify when cooled back to room temperature, then I believe you. However, because the solution is so concentrated, it would absolutely not be possible to dissolve all the oxycodone from 5 pills, without leaving substantial amounts behind on the filter.

Really the optimum pill extraction gets everything soluble in half the volume of your syringe, you then do 2x washes of the filter and spoon with 1/4 the volume of your syringe, and suck them up into the same syringe. This would get practically everything, provided that all the drug was soluble in the water during the first cooking, and it wasn't so concentrated that it crystalised out as it cooled down when you were drawing it through the filter.
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[Chemical_Boy]

Originally Posted by euphoricontin17

Hey guys, Luckily my tolerance has gone down due to a lack of money lately, but I have a question as to how much is the most you guys will put in your 1cc rigs. I think the solubility of oxyC is a little bit as in (1mg more) than 160mg/ml/cc. This makes sense as I have shot 2 80's in a 100 unit solution and it felt EXACTLY the same as 3 80's in a 100 unit solution however the "wash for the 3 80 shot was VERY potent. Makes perfect sense. So I am assuming that the most, saying you use the common 1cc jawns (wish I could get 3cc 29/28 gauges that'd be sweet) you can shoot at once is 160 mgs or 2 80's. Quite a shame because I've really been fantasizing about a 400mg shot. I love that metallic/electric oxy rush.

I know that it is enough to do some serious damage


I have done 2 OC80s with no problem. I never tried 3 Don't know about that nice powdered dope that goes around on the opposite side of the Mississippi from me. But tar.... well, I am not even really sure that solubility is an issue. You can melt the stuff and I am guessing that you could make a shot as thick as a milkshake if you wanted....

[blackman]

Originally Posted by Chemical_Boy

I know that it is enough to do some serious damage


I have done 2 OC80s with no problem. I never tried 3 Don't know about that nice powdered dope that goes around on the opposite side of the Mississippi from me. But tar.... well, I am not even really sure that solubility is an issue. You can melt the stuff and I am guessing that you could make a shot as thick as a milkshake if you wanted....

Yea man. I bet you could fit a g of tar in a 1cc syringe. Perhaps more....I've never tried.
Never had a habit that large.

[Chemical_Boy]

Me too (never needed to slam that much, thank goodness).

The stuff that I used to get in Denver area was fairly potent. I am sure there was better out there somewhere, but I saw enough fairly well traveled junkies OD to have a healthy respect for the local tar. .1 or .2 g of the stuff always got me pretty good.

The point measurements are estimates, since I never weighed the stuff. But just based on experience regarding drugs and powders in the past, I always guessed that the local tar balloons were approx .25 to .33.

Maybe I am way off though. If anyone with knowledge of Denver's tar scene is out there, toss in some knowledge please!

Would love to hear from someone with more accurate or quantifiable facts than what I got.




BTW Welcome home Blackman!

[blackman]

Originally Posted by Chemical_Boy

Me too (never needed to slam that much, thank goodness).

The stuff that I used to get in Denver area was fairly potent. I am sure there was better out there somewhere, but I saw enough fairly well traveled junkies OD to have a healthy respect for the local tar. .1 or .2 g of the stuff always got me pretty good.

The point measurements are estimates, since I never weighed the stuff. But just based on experience regarding drugs and powders in the past, I always guessed that the local tar balloons were approx .25 to .33.

Maybe I am way off though. If anyone with knowledge of Denver's tar scene is out there, toss in some knowledge please!

Would love to hear from someone with more accurate or quantifiable facts than what I got.




BTW Welcome home Blackman!

Thanks man! I'm really glad to be back. Been in opi withdrawal....kickin' cold turckey ain't cool.

Yea, from what I've read here it seems that the tar from Denver is probably the same stuff we get here in TN
Ours is quite good just as you say your is in Denver. Also, I think I read someone posting about nasty tar they were getting there the same time we were getting shitty product back in October.

It's some nasty shit, but I love it.
Actually I love more that I don't have to shoot that shit anymore.

[dieselbaby]

The most oxycodone you want to put into a 1mL syringe is roughly 160 mg (2 x 80 mg pills). Anything more and you risk not getting it into solution.

[More Feen]

1st: M F don't know shit about Oxycontin, so I believe whatever people have written above.

2nd: M F might know about morphine. Usually its concentration is ~10mg/mL or even 15mg/mL in the sulfate salt.

If one needed to concentrate this solution (say 10mLs of 10mg/mL solution of MS) one could let the water evaporate (not a prefered method).

Easier would be to base-out the morphine. pH those 10mL to 9.1, spin it, the morphine base would collect at the bottom as a ~100mg pellet (10mL x 10mg = 100mg). There would be a fraction of the base still in solution, but not much.

Then add an acid of your choice--a small amount--to resalt your morphine. Depending on the type of acid you use to salt your base, you will have different maximum solubilities.

I cannot recall exactly, as its been years since I've done farmacee work, but if you use HCl acid, the maximum sol. would be ~ 60-62mg/mL. If you tried to squeeze more in there, it'll just precipitate, unless its heated.

You can find other solubilities on line, maybe H2SO4 will increase the sol., maybe citrate is better. Different morphine salts will react differently to water, some form penta-hydrates, some mono-hydrates. I believe this is main thing that will effect maximum solubility.

I'm sure Woody-B and others will correct me if I'm wrong. [Happy for this--I learn sumpin]

The entire point of all of this is that you can use similar info to concentrate ANY material: OC, H, etc....

I've never converted a pill for injection, but if you clean it up really well, you might be able concentrate it in this manner.

M F

[retrogradeamnesia]

Numbers, numbers, numbers...
I dont beleive you can get 1x80mg tab in 1ml fit let alone 2x
IME its more along the lines of 60mg/ml wit tepid water..3ml barrel is preffered here for that reason.

[Tainted]

Originally Posted by retrogradeamnesia

Numbers, numbers, numbers...
I dont beleive you can get 1x80mg tab in 1ml fit let alone 2x
IME its more along the lines of 60mg/ml wit tepid water..3ml barrel is preffered here for that reason.

That is so not true at all. I shoot roxy 30's all the time, and there's a MASSIVE difference between 60mg (2 pills) and 150mg (5 pills) and in between. My tolerance I can't get high anymore off 2 (used to be able to), I get a slight buzz with 3, a tiny bit high with 4, and my voice goes hoarse with 5 and I sound sorta fucked up for a little bit.

I know that that many pills isn't all that efficent, but I'm not leaving THAT much behind because the cottonshot usually doesn't provide any kind of a rush like the orginal shot does (and I'm talking about leaving the cottonshot until I'm sick the next day, not right after)

[inailedyourmom1]

Ok so this has all been about oxyc . What about IRs . I find. 1mg per unit. So about. 3 per 1ml. That optimal. Some times. I can squeeze one or two more in but seems like a waste. What about drawing up 3 and the using that solution to draw up another 3. Cause I need to do 8 to 10 for a real rush and just. Can't fit it all in. Sorry if the post looks. Weird. I'm using. A "smart pHone"