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Old 12-02-2009, 08:40 AM   #1
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Pill What works better?

Someone has been taking 1mg xanax 4 times a day everyday for about 2 years, but after taking one in about 3.5 hr.'s later someone get sleeply as hell, and they have to take another, wait for it to kick in and wake back up,somwhat like a caffine crash, some people on xanax may know what somone is talking about, they just feel a up and down over and over thought out the day, so the doc. tells him thats odd cause most people get sleepy when the kick in, well they think this someone just prove that the meds are doing there job by only getting sleepy when they were off.

Well he offerd this someone Xanax XR which he said most people hate cause them because it makes them to sleepy to do anything, plus he told the somone that they also cost a shit load, then he also offed klonpin, or ativan.
Someone changed to 1mg klonpin 3 times a day, just to try for a month, but someone don't know if chose right. Any info from long term benzo's uses would really help.

Someone adds when taking the Xanax and it lasts he feels good and feels like himself, but with the klonpin he just feels realxed/layed back all day.
Just a side note someone is also on 150mg done for years.
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Old 12-02-2009, 08:48 AM   #2
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Default Re: What works better?

Some one just got driven insane.

But seriously, some one thinks you should use what works best for you and in all honesty someone thinks that someone should lower there benzo dose as they are starting to develope a habit that is a bitch to have on your back, Trust someone.

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Some one just got driven insane.

But seriously, some one thinks you should use what works best for you and in all honesty someone thinks that someone should lower there benzo dose as they are starting to develope a habit that is a bitch to have on your back, Trust someone.

Good luck someone
If someone has been taking xanax daily for two years then I think he already has that habit....


To the OP... maybe xanax at the same frequency but a smaller dose would be the answer. I don't know.... Benzos never really made me sleepy so I don't have anything else to ad.
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:11 AM   #4
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Default Re: What works better?

"the habit" has been there for years as have many others.
just trying to fin benzo users that have change from one thing to the other and what worked best in the long, long run.

Ya, sorry about that SeVeN, but you know that someone can be a real asshole like that sometimes.
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Default Re: What works better?

Not an expert, but being on a short-acting (SA) benzo like xanax for 2 freaking years probably wasn't the best thing for someone's doctor to do--unless ONLY xanax works for him/her.

If they needed long-term benzo treatment, the doctor should have switched them to klonopin or diazepam--a long-acting (LA) benzo, like, 1.5 years ago.

I think the XR xanax is an attempt to make a pseudo-LA benzo out of an SA benzo.

As far as getting a buzz on, I cannot tell you which is a better choice for you.

As far as eventually quitting benzos, klonopin historically would be the best choice (or valium).

SA-drugs have a higher abuse potential because a person needs to dose more frequently, and the crash tends to be more severe. At least that's the theory. This is why people addicted to short-acting drugs are often switched to those with a longer duration.

SA Drug ---> Switch to ---> LA Drug:
Heroin ---------------------- Methadone/Bupe
Xanax ---------------------- Clonazepam/Diazepam
Na-Pentothal ---------------- Phenobarbital
Ethanol ---------------------- Diazepam/etc...
Cocaine --------------------- (find a decent LA coke substitute, maybe make some big $$$) [no amphetamines ]

Supposed to be easier to taper, and quit when using a LA drug. Is this true?? IDN!

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I'm not a benzo expert, but last month when I first started the Prozac, I was scripted 1mg Ativan TID, but when I told the Sub doctor / clinic that I go to about that, they said they'd prefer me to take Klonopin.

So, when I went back to the doctor and told them that, there wasn't a problem and I was switched to 1mg Klonopin TID.

The only difference I notice between the Ativan and the Klonopin is that the Ativan obviously lasts less than the Klonopin. I believe technically both are considered intermediate acting benzos, but sometimes Ativan gets labeled a short-acting one because it's sort of on the borderline. Wiki said Ativan has a half-life of like 9-10 hours, which would technically made it intermediate, whereas Wiki said Klonopin had a half-life of 20-80 hours, which would make it definitely an intermediate, and almost a long acting.

Generally, though, from what I do know, short-acting benzos are generally better for panic attacks and sudden onset of anxiety, but that they should be used for acute periods of time, meaning a few months tops. So, sadly, you already have a benzo tolerance. Now, you may not be addicted to the Xanax, but you've definitely got a habit in terms of tolerance and physical dependence. But, those don't automatically mean addiction. You've not said enough and I don't know how your Xanax use is to determine if you're really addicted to them.

But, like More-Feen said, if you're going to be on benzos for a longer period of time (i.e., more than a few months), you should go with an intermediate / longer-acting benzo like Klonopin, Valium, or even Librium. And when it's time to come off of benzos, if you were to still be on Xanax, they'd most likely switch you to an equivalent dose of Klonopin, Valium, or Librium, and ween you from there. It's supposed to be easier that way.

Don't get me wrong, you can still get addicted or dependent or develop a tolerance to all benzos, it's just that the longer acting they are the little bit "safer" they are.

Personally, I like the Klonopin I'm scripted now better, because when I wake up in the morning I don't feel the need to immediate take one, whereas when I was on the Ativan for a month, I did feel that need. I think it was a form of rebound anxiety because the Ativan was just wearing off too quickly / wasn't lasting long enough.

I say go for Klonopin or Valium.
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