Femoral Vein Worries

[RaZeR]

Hey guys I'm a new member here but I've been around a while just checking things out but now that I'm on there's a few things that eat at me I'd like to post about. First and foremost is the issue of using your femoral vein and the problems that can come with it. This ones for the hardcore folks.

As a longtime westcoast user I've burned out all my easy to reach smaller veins even including the neck. It's sad what years of using that acidic disgusting tar will do to your circulitory system. So I was shown how to hit the femoral vein a while ago and now use it exclusively. For one it's easy to hit provided you're using a 3cc rig. (I call em harpoons) The other benefit of these is they are the only thing big enough to fit enough of the shitty quality tar thats been around the last few years to feel anything. I'm a veteran with a respectable tolerance and I usually do gram or more shots. But the shittiness of the dope is for another thread.

Anyhow this is my concern; just about every person I know who uses the femoral vein for a long time faces some pretty dire fucking consequences. One of my best friends had a stroke and nearly died and is permanantly disabled. Another good friend is in a wheelchair. And I see numerous people who are limping or have canes. Problem usually originates with bloodclots

I know how to UTMFSE but this is something I'm curious about peoples actual experience and any advice concerning if there is a safe way to do this or minimize the risks. Is it possible to burn out the largest vein in your body? Do you or anyone you know use it or have for a long time with no problems. I'm a little sore in that area but it's payday and I'm not stopping. Smarter friends muscle and they have their own whole slew of problems, plus no rush. Oh yeah did I mention I like speedballs? Thx.

[Oakleyskier]

i am man enough to walk into any open air market and do my biddness. but fuck if i'd ever do that shit.

luckily theres hardcore long-time users still hittin there forearms here in jersey.

the WORST OF THE WORST resort to the neck. but that tar is something else man.


EDIT- after reading chem boys post i should SAY OF COURSE I'd DO THAT, but i'm just glad i dont have to

[Chemical_Boy]

Dunno bro.... I ain't never tried to hit that way. But I remember seeing some threads a while back- like a couple years- on this here. I don'[t know if the people in the thread had done it or if it was just theoretical shit.

Using this search engine I would try two things if I were you - serach for "femoral" and search for "deep vein thrombosis"

That should bring up the threads I remember. Maybe you will find something that interests you there.

Damn dude.... In your spot I don't know what I would do. I know a bunch of people say "I would never do that!..." I would like to think that, but in this lifestyle, I have learned never to say never

Later bro.

[Citricburn]

Its a dangerous game but once you find your fem its very hard not to hit it first time, thing is its so close to your femoral artery and femoral nerve and hitting these can land you in a world of shit, best way to find your fem is to make a gun shape with your fingers like when you was a kid, put your thumb in ya belly button and the barrel of the 'gun' down the side of your groin, your first finger (next to the thumb) should now be roughly in the area of your fem. You can feel a pulse there sometimes too...If you hit the artery it will be very very hard to push the plunger and also blood will be pinkish and bubbly and might push its way into the barrel without you pulling back...DO NOT GO IN HERE ITS THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO...also if you hit the erve you'll know about it....a weird 'shock feeling' as soon as that pin scrapes the nerve..all in all its not reccomended but if your going to try please listen to these guidelines..

[OpiXPO]

http://www.saferinjecting.net/injecting-sites.html - I tried to find a previously posted website that has some nice flyers about injection sites but couldn't and this was the best one I turned up on spur of the moment.

Femoral veins are extremely dangerous to inject into and I strongly recommend you not do this anymore so you don't get in a habit of doing it, and then try it once out of desperation and end up dead. I'm not speaking from a personal stand point, as I've only IV'd less times than I have fingers a hand and stopped it immediately after I realized I was setting myself up for some serious misery down the road. I'm speaking only from an observational stand point with sourcing harm reduction sites.

[nick]

http://www.harmreduction.org/downloa...ting_final.pdf


If this doesn't work google harm redcution coalition and you'll see a section on safe injecting.There's a femoral injection pdf,there.It should tell you what you need to know.

Take care of yourself,man.

[losangeleslifer]

Looks like you mite just have to follow your friends suit and muscle that garbage. I do because I am such a hard stick and that rush is something I am familiar with, yet don't want to toy with (addictive personality is an understatement).

Sorry if this is not something you didn't want to hear, but this is the reality for most long time users of black. It tears up your veins, no if ands or buts.

And take it from me I have had a DVT (deep vein thrombosis) and a pulmonary embolism and I can tell you, blood clots fucking suck and can kill you in a literal heartbeat.

If you do end up muscling, try and use wheel filters, cook the hell out of your shit, and use at least a 1" long spike. Abcesses are not very fun either.

Tar is such fun isn't it!

Good luck.

[Papa Verine]

Is this what it's come to for you?

You seem like one of those "crash and burn" junkies to me.

If you don't give a fuck about yourself, keep pumping that crap into your Femoral... Don't worry about the "safest" way to do it. There is no safe way to do it. You don't even know "what" you're shooting in there.

I don't believe you really have any "worries" man...

[More Feen]

If the issue is about thrombosis, then taken an aspirin a day--even one of those lil'baby aspirin can help keep thrombi [sorry] (thrombuses) from forming--or at least impedes their formation.

If you have a friend in a hospital, you can check into other anti-clotting agents, but, you could also fuck yourself up severly if done improperly.

I've only seen tar in pictures, and cannot believe that people would shoot that stuff, but, you can take a bit of the acidic nature out of it, by mixing in a little bicarb--not too much. Would be good if you could pH the shit before filtering and slamming.

Maybe taste the solution and see if its still really acidic, or only slightly. Slightly would be better (~pH of 5.5 to 6.5 roughly).

M F

PS- I've never "worked" with tar, so I am only assuming that adding bicarb (a pinch) will bring the pH up a little, say from 2.5 to 5.5, or so.

[Dan Steely]

If you are so committed to using heroin that you would subject yourself to shooting grams of that crap you should pack your shit and move east. No offense I'm serious. I can't believe people shoot that shit.

[Thanat0s]

former heavy cali tar user here(6 grams a day plus a gram or two of crack...SFspeedball...) the west has the worst and cheapest dope i swear. in two years shooting beautiful tar in Oklahoma city i was still hitting my inner elbow... two months in santa cruz and i was looking to my legs, neck, and fem. cant hit the neck anymore, too much scar tissue. femoral both as bad, had one huge abcess that had to be removed in jail, size of a fucking hard boiled egg...

done with that, just tapered off sub as well so clean and out of the woods...

if you dont care if you live or die, keep hitting the femoral.

[Dan Steely]

Even if you don't care if you die I can tell from your posts that you aren't too keen on living with the results of stroking out.

Don't wait til then to make a change. The price of regret is much higher than the alternative.

Best wishes man.

[upstate_007]

Originally Posted by Papa Verine

Is this what it's come to for you?

You seem like one of those "crash and burn" junkies to me.

If you don't give a fuck about yourself, keep pumping that crap into your Femoral... Don't worry about the "safest" way to do it. There is no safe way to do it. You don't even know "what" you're shooting in there.

I don't believe you really have any "worries" man...

Originally Posted by Dan Steely

If you are so committed to using heroin that you would subject yourself to shooting grams of that crap you should pack your shit and move east. No offense I'm serious. I can't believe people shoot that shit.

I'm with those two amigos.

At best, there are "safer" ways to hit the femoral. No "safe" way about it.

If you keep doing it things will most likely get much worse for you a lot sooner than you think.

[China white]

Ben from the documentary if anyone saw it was using has femoral and had some serious problems going on

Originally Posted by RaZeR

Hey guys I'm a new member here but I've been around a while just checking things out but now that I'm on there's a few things that eat at me I'd like to post about. First and foremost is the issue of using your femoral vein and the problems that can come with it. This ones for the hardcore folks.

As a longtime westcoast user I've burned out all my easy to reach smaller veins even including the neck. It's sad what years of using that acidic disgusting tar will do to your circulitory system. So I was shown how to hit the femoral vein a while ago and now use it exclusively. For one it's easy to hit provided you're using a 3cc rig. (I call em harpoons) The other benefit of these is they are the only thing big enough to fit enough of the shitty quality tar thats been around the last few years to feel anything. I'm a veteran with a respectable tolerance and I usually do gram or more shots. But the shittiness of the dope is for another thread.

Anyhow this is my concern; just about every person I know who uses the femoral vein for a long time faces some pretty dire fucking consequences. One of my best friends had a stroke and nearly died and is permanantly disabled. Another good friend is in a wheelchair. And I see numerous people who are limping or have canes. Problem usually originates with bloodclots

I know how to UTMFSE but this is something I'm curious about peoples actual experience and any advice concerning if there is a safe way to do this or minimize the risks. Is it possible to burn out the largest vein in your body? Do you or anyone you know use it or have for a long time with no problems. I'm a little sore in that area but it's payday and I'm not stopping. Smarter friends muscle and they have their own whole slew of problems, plus no rush. Oh yeah did I mention I like speedballs? Thx.

I didnt read through the whole thread but what does the size of the barrel have to do with hitting a vein???

also...what caused your friend to have a stroke directly from hitting that particular vein? wheelchair ? cane? did they miss or something?

[China white]

thanat05 I really agree with 100% about that shit out in southern california or Cali in general...why is H such shit out there??? is it because of the high population? any ideas?