IV Morphine, react vingear

[johnny27]

In my dreams, I like to drink somni-gods stinky tea, packs a good punch. I know opinion is somewhat diveded about wether the morphine is being converted to Mono-Acetyl-Morphine or not, but it does seem to produce a stonger effect in my dreams and others.
If one, was to have morphine sulfate or hydrochloride, and was to mix the substance with water and ideally some high percentage white vingear, and heat the solution, then let cool, and hook into a vein. Would the effect be similat to herion, if indeed the morphine had been changed to MAM which i read is as potent as herion and produces the same rush, euphoria. Also read that MAM is a metabolite of herion in the body.
Anyone have any expereince of shooting MAM? or details on whether the whole vinegar theroy would acutally react to form this. And also, could it be dangerous to IV a soloution containing vinegar? Thank you very much, i would love to here some replies, as the subject needs more investagation or anyone's experiments. Thanks

[devilsdrug]

no, there is much dicussion on this if u care to search no , no and probably

[superman]

"I know opinion is somewhat diveded about wether the morphine is being converted to Mono-Acetyl-Morphine or not"
you are mistaken. the only people who would lead you to believe that vinegar acetylates morphine are those who think the entire scientific community is conspiring to keep this information away from them.... lol, no really it just doesn't work

[johnny27]

thank you very much for clearing that up.

So what is it that making the vingear tea stronger? I presume its the simple fact that its a good acidic liquid to pull out more goodies?

As regards using the search engine, i've read plently of articles on here about the subject, alot in somni-gods tea thread, also there was another thread about this topic about reacting morphine before shooting, although the experiment was never completed, so i thought i would create this thread to see if there was any results.

[devilsdrug]

ok here is the deal as i remember ha yu would hav to heat the vinegar too long too hot to change it to acetic anhydride that it would destroy what u have in spoon

[johnny27]

Originally Posted by devilsdrug

ok here is the deal as i remember ha yu would hav to heat the vinegar too long too hot to change it to acetic anhydride that it would destroy what u have in spoon

I've read that the point is not to change it to AA, but the acetic acid actually makes a type of reaction with morphine to from MAM, not AA to make DAM
I quickly realizing this is BS?

[devilsdrug]

shit i dont know dude alls i know is it dont work like some said

[johnny27]

thanks very much devilsdrug for your input

[superman]

acetic anhydride cannot be prepared from dilute acetic acid by heating or any other method i know of.
acetic anhydride can be prepared from glacial acetic acid though it's a pain in the ass and beyond the scope of this forum

the only reacting acetic acid will be doing is with freebase morphine, in which case it will be forming morphine acetate, the only benefit being that it is now water soluable and becomes a component of your tea.
mam dam jam sam and pam are all irrelevent, lol.

I'm afraid if you want to acetylate morphine, you're going to have to build a lab to make AA or find a place that will sell it, which i have been told is not impossible in small quantities.

[johnny27]

thank you superman, you've cleared things up for me, and maybe settleted the issue for good. Thanks man

[superman]

no prob johnny, but rest assured, this topic will resurface in a day or two. misinformation is hard to ignore when it grants such wonderfull wishes

[vaxn8]

details on whether the whole vinegar theroy would acutally react to form this. And also, could it be dangerous to IV a soloution containing vinegar?

I've read that the point is not to change it to AA, but the acetic acid actually makes a type of reaction with morphine to from MAM, not AA to make DAM
I quickly realizing this is BS?

Some of the questions were already answered, so I'll skip those....

About i.v. vinegar: Vinegar will have a concentration of acetic acid somewhere around 5%. This varies by brand and type of vinegar. You could easily calculate the pH of a 5% solution if you look up the pKa. If the vinegar what was for injection was further diluted by other solvents (water, saline, whatever else you are using) you would lower this percentage further. I would bet that vinegar would have to be diluted before it would reach a pH that was safe (and comfortable) to inject.

The comments above were correct, acetic acid is never going to acetylate morphine, at least not in this atmosphere or planet. It is going to simply act as an acid.

[Paregoric Kid]

perhaps tiny amounts of morphine would be convereted to 6-MAM, probably more so with a strong concentration of GAA. however, it's likely it would be almost, if not, entirely morphine acetate.

[jacky]

what about thebaine and codeine, or salutaridine/reticuline...could these compounds be affected by acetic acid?

[johnny27]

Okay so its def not changing morph to MAM. So what is the reason, why PT and vinegar is alot more potent than normal PT? I'm sure its not placebo, as i've experimented many times with and without and there's a good difference with vinegar and lemon juice, even better again adding alcohol, but thats obvious why.
Could it be as simple as this, that the PT is stronger with vingear because its pulling more alkoloids from the pod material? due to it being an acid