Ephedrine sulfate

[resorcinol]

Is basically a dirty speed high. People who say it has no CNS effects are full of it, it's just crappy compared to the desoxy derivatives. It's decent though if you want to avoid appearing too tweaked out from the stronger speed. I'm on 100 mg right now and it definitely lifted the fog of the benzos I have to take every night to sleep bigtime and brought on some slight euphoric and clear feelings.

For reference, l-ephedrine is the isomer with the same alpha carbon chirality as d-amph and d-methamph. This is why IUPAC prefers the S / R system or the + / - system for more consistency for similar molecules. L / D is how a solution of the substance rotates plane polarized light ---- so similar substances can have the same spacial configuration at a chiral center but a different L / D. It's l-ephedrine that has the most CNS activity of any of the -OH substituted meth relatives.

d-pseudoephedrine, l-ephedrine, d-amph, and d-methamph ALL have the same spacial configuration at the alpha carbon, which is what matters for activity. D-pseudo and l-eph are diasteromers - same configuration at the alpha carbon, different at the beta carbon (the position of the -OH)..

Pseudoephedrine sucks compared to ephedrine. If you want a mild stim buzz get BRONKAID or PRIMATENE tablets - both contain ephedrine sulfate and guaifenesin (the latter causes nausea for some people but not for me ... I've taken a ton with DXM and never puked).

Now racemic propylhexedrine on the other hand REALLY gets you tweaked like REALLY ... like adderall or crystal tweaked. So if you want an OTC full on speed high, that's the ticket. I must warn you though... that cotton rod is the most repulsive thing on the planet smell and taste wise. Do an extraction. This is only if you actually want to tweak strongly though... propyl will get you VERY high and it WILL be obvious that you're tweaking. The ephedrine is good if you want a mild enough feeling that you will be able to hide the stimulant buzz.

All you have to do to get bronkaid or primatene is go to any pharmacy and sign their logbook / show ID. Easy, probably great to mix with opiates.

[ryan]

Originally Posted by resorcinol

Now racemic propylhexedrine on the other hand REALLY gets you tweaked like REALLY ... like adderall or crystal tweaked. So if you want an OTC full on speed high, that's the ticket. I must warn you though... that cotton rod is the most repulsive thing on the planet smell and taste wise. Do an extraction. This is only if you actually want to tweak strongly though... propyl will get you VERY high and it WILL be obvious that you're tweaking.

I tried this a long time ago (benzedrex) -- the taste was downright obscene...
I never learned of an accurate extraction method..I'm searching for one now
The taste ruined it for me basically, it wouldn't let me enjoy the high :-\

EDIT:

Found a good extraction method that isn't too complicated:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3199784/Ki...ropylhexedrine

[bodytec]

Cool man!
I used to find the original MaxAlert to be pleasing.
I always knew it was probly easy as hell to compound these into something really powerful.
Not sure that it is but i'll bet you would know.
They were eph. and guai. too
i think they were 25 mg.eph

[resorcinol]

I'm not sure why so many people think ephedrine is banned in the US. It's just not true. It's in every damn drugstore pretty much (just not on the shelf, but still OTC).

I believe what was banned was the marketing of EPHEDRA, the plant containing ephedrine and pseudoephedrine alkaloids, as a dietary supplement after a bunch of people OD'd on these products. Combining uncertain doses of a stimulant drug (nonstandardized plant concentrates) with vigorous exercise can cause heart problems -- seems like common sense.

Originally Posted by ryan

I tried this a long time ago (benzedrex) -- the taste was downright obscene...
I never learned of an accurate extraction method..I'm searching for one now
The taste ruined it for me basically, it wouldn't let me enjoy the high :-\

EDIT:

Found a good extraction method that isn't too complicated:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3199784/Ki...ropylhexedrine

Here's how you extract the propylhexedrine from benzedrex:
1)Swish cotton in a small beaker filled with a dilute hydrochloric acid solution for 10 minutes. Don't need to stir constantly, but swish it from time to time.

2)Remove and squeeze out the cotton to get all of the liquid - discard the emptied cotton. Pour the propylhexedrine HCl / free HCl / traces of lavender and menthol solution into a separatory funnel.

3)Add a quantity of toluene to the funnel about equal to the amount of PHX HCl solution present. You'll see two layers form, toluene on top. Gently shake for a few minutes.

4)Open the stopcock and let the aqueous (water and propyl HCl) layer, which will be on the bottom, run out into a fresh beaker. Discard the toluene that remains in the funnel.

5)Repeat steps 3 and 4 for another toluene wash if you wish to ensure near complete removal of the nasty lavender oil and menthol crap.

6)Evaporate, in a suitable evaporating dish, the aqueous solution. Any excess HCl that didn't react with the propylhexedrine to form the HCl salt will evaporate too. If you add heat to speed the process, keep the heating gentle ... a hotplate set to a warm but not hot temp would be ideal. Leaving the dish in the sun would also be effective if your neighbors won't wonder about those crystals forming in a dish in your backyard.

7)Scrape the propylhexedrine hydrochloride crystals from the bottom of the dish into a pile. Done.

This can be done on many rods at once (it's actually preferable to scale this up to say 6 rods at once ... more efficient). You'll be left with pretty pure propylhexedrine HCl, which is a white crystalline solid (snortable and smokable).

[resorcinol]

I just realized something. The Primatene brand tablets contain ephedrine HCl 12.5 mg while Bronkaid contains ephedrine sulfate 25 mg. So two Primatene is actually a little bit stronger than one bronkaid (the Cl- ion is lighter than the SO42- ion ... and even though each SO42- binds TWO ephedrine molecules while each Cl- only binds one, the ephedrine HCl is still slightly more % ephedrine by weight because SO42- is so much heavier than Cl-). It's close though... they're both in the 70 to 80 percent ephedrine by mass range.

Look at the molar mass of ephedrine (165 g/mol) and hydrochloric acid (36.5 g/mol) and also sulfuric acid (98.1 g/mol) and yep, I just actually did the math, ephedrine HCl is 78% ephedrine by mass (36.5/165 = 0.22 = 22% HCl; so 78% EPH) . Ephedrine sulfate is 70% ephedrine by mass (98.1/330 = .297 = 29.7% H2SO4 = 70% EPH). EPH HCl is 8% more potent by mass than EPH H2SO4.

So, for example, a dose of 50 mg EPH sulfate is equal to a dose of 54 mg EPH HCl. So it's only a LITTLE more potent per mg.

You can do this math for opioids also to figure out which salt would be better if there is a choice. Freebase alkaloids are of course 100%, but freebase alkaloids are often undesirable for use except for certain drugs when one wants to vaporize the drug.

[ryan]

Good info...also for the extraction I've read to not even bother IVing the benzedrex extract...
It can apparently cause death...

[resorcinol]

Originally Posted by ryan

Good info...also for the extraction I've read to not even bother IVing the benzedrex extract...
It can apparently cause death...

Yep, never IV propylhexedrine (any of its salts). It's just too strong a vasoconstrictor to have so much concentrated near the site of injection and IV use causes more to reach the heart at once too, and can damage the heart.

Edit: Also, fuck I need to sleep. I think I just stooped pretty low ... an ephedrine binge ... I've been buzzed on it since yesterday morning, stayed up all last night hyper as fuck. Ah, the boredom of opioid sobriety .... it fucking SUCKS. Ephedrine isn't that bad though ... especially when mixed with a little d-MPH (don't do this unless you know how much you can handle, don't have hypertension or other heart problems, and can avoid very heavy exercise). EPH also makes benzos a heck of a lot more fun than they are alone!

[alowishus]

Damn it son use your power for light not dark - for fucks sake, er wait no that was wrong, I meant use your powers for darker, yeah, DARKER, DARKER, DARKER

[mikey5string]

Originally Posted by ryan

It can apparently cause death...

yeah but does it have a good rush?? im just trying to weigh the pros and cons here...

[resorcinol]

Originally Posted by mikey5string

yeah but does it have a good rush?? im just trying to weigh the pros and cons here...

Smoke it in a meth pipe. It vaporizes just like d-methamp HCl does. You might get something resembling an amphetamine rush that way, and it won't kill you like IV could.

[ryan]

Originally Posted by mikey5string

yeah but does it have a good rush?? im just trying to weigh the pros and cons here...

Hahaha nice one rofl

[alowishus]

Originally Posted by ryan

It can apparently cause death...

That's just for pussies, fuck you can't take a little death???
I mean what are you a man or a mouse?

[mikey5string]

Originally Posted by resorcinol

Smoke it in a meth pipe. It vaporizes just like d-methamp HCl does. You might get something resembling an amphetamine rush that way, and it won't kill you like IV could.

i was just kidding res. my stim days are behind me for the most part. i do enjoy an adderall here and there when theyre around but i enjoy my sleep nowadays

[resorcinol]

Originally Posted by mikey5string

i was just kidding res. my stim days are behind me for the most part. i do enjoy an adderall here and there when theyre around but i enjoy my sleep nowadays

I figured you might be kidding ... at least hoped you were. It must be all the damn ephedrine I've been munching down causing me to doubt whether obvious sarcasm is obvious sarcasm

Seriously though for other folks, you can smoke PHX HCl ... if you must take this by a fast hitting route do that over IV. IV is TOO DANGEROUS with this stimulant.

[resorcinol]

Just realized I switched them around. 50 mg ephedrine HCl = 54 mg ephedrine sulfate. Got it backwards in my post.