Dilaudid + Phenergan

[Hydro-Joe]

After reading several threads on taking Dilaudid orally, I assume the effects of using such via the oral administration route is basically worthless (not that I am afraid of needles, I just won't shoot them!). Would it be wise/unwise to also take a 25mg Phenergan tablet with the Dilaudid to increase its effects?

Comments welcome.

Hydro-Joe

[oxy kid]

would you be afraid to snort them?

[Hydro-Joe]

I've never snorted anything in my life, except for nose spray. I wouldn't even know where to begin. I hate to sound like an idiot, but is it done by just crushing them into a powder and maybe rolling up a dollar bill and breathing it in? Any danger of choking using this method (lol)?

[bronyraur]

Originally Posted by Hydro-Joe

After reading several threads on taking Dilaudid orally, I assume the effects of using such via the oral administration route is basically worthless (not that I am afraid of needles, I just won't shoot them!). Would it be wise/unwise to also take a 25mg Phenergan tablet with the Dilaudid to increase its effects?

Comments welcome.

Hydro-Joe

Well, let's see...Dilaudid is not worthless when taken orally. Most people like Dilaudid for the *intense* rush it provides when used IV. But if you've never IV'd–like yourself, and you have a relatively low tolerance, chances are you'll get a buzz it you take it orally–granted, you're not gonna get the "so this is what heaven is like" rush from IV-ing it, but if you haven't done it before, don't start.

And you have the basic idea behind snorting pills down–crush it into a fine powder, them make a some lines out of the powder, and get a straw (money is dirty–you don't want that shit up your nose) and snort it.

And if you choke–you're definitely doing something wrong. If anything, you might cough a little bit.

[Uncle Wiggly]

I'm not sure about using Phenergan as a potentiator but I'm sure one of our health care professionals will be able to answer. I do agree that oral Dilaudid has a low bioavailability but I've found there are a few ways to help it out. I've found that crushing Dilaudid and mixing it with a small amount of juice seems to help it along. I have to crush mine because I have a very hard time swallowing pills. I've also found that taking 25Mg of Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) helps to potentiate Dilaudid.

I've never experienced any significant increase an its effects from snorting, but that's just me and I'm not sure what the official verdict is on that ROA. I would expect the next best thing to IVing them would be to crush the pills, mix with some water and plug em. (Up the butt) I hope this helps. Good luck.

I agree with Brony. Oral Dilaudid is not a waste, especially if you're in pain and it decreases your pain level. I know plenty of folks who take their Dilaudid as directed, I'm one of them, and find it very helpful for pain control.

[Hydro-Joe]

Speaking of tolerance, I do have a pretty high tolerance. I've been on either hydrocodone or oxycodone for the past ten years, not to mention regular past use of methadone, fentanyl, demerol, and oxycontin, just to name a few.

[oxy kid]

I would def try taking them orally and see what you think, then try snorting one and see what you think.

You are going to get a lot out of them regardless. I think you will be fairly impressed.

[bigNasty]

I think the phenergan will over power the oral dilaudid and just make you fall asleep. Take it by itself to see if you like it and then think about combining it with promethazine

[edhorfin]

You've been taking opiates for 10 years and NEVER snorted? Is it safe to assume you've never IM/IV'd as well?

I think a poll may be in order. Which members have never taken their opiates other than orally?

I guess I can imagine that scenario, especially with someone who came to opiates thru pain control only, and even then probably started after their teen/twenties....Still, I'm curious.

Once someone crossed the bridge from use to abuse, which I define as taking any med in a manner other than directed, specifically for the purpose of achieving an altered state of consciousness, it seems that considering a more efficient ROA a pretty small step.

Lord knows, it wasn't a big step to IV for me, it just seemed logical at the time, not wanting to waste any of the substances potential. (we're big on maximizing potential here)

Anyone else curious?

Ed

[Hydro-Joe]

I've never IV'd ANY drugs myself. Of course, I have a history of chronic kidney stones (I currently have six up in my left kidney now, and three in the right kidney), and I have received demerol and dilaudid IV and IM in the emergency room.

I have NEVER snorted any of my medications. I came to use these medications through genuine medical problems. I've been on narcotic pain medications for over 10 years and my tolerance is indeed through the roof. As previously mentioned, my doctor has allowed me to try other narcotic pain medications, namely, Opana/Opana ER, Fentanyl 100mcg q 48, hydrocodone, percocet, oxycontin, demerol, avinza (sp?), and a few others. Unfortunately, it seems like plain old oxycodone (like percocet or primalev) targets my particular pain more than the other medications. It also seems as if plain old oxycodone works better for me than oxycontin.

I have to take about 6, 10mg oxycodone (not oxycontin) tablets at a time just to get some sense of relief from the pain I am in on a daily basis. I do crush up more of the oxycodone if I use cold-water extraction to allow for the natural loss that occurs during the CWE method. These primalev tablets I am currently prescribed only have 300mg of acetaminophen per tablet, but if I have to take more than six at a time, I still do a cold-water extraction, because all of that acetaminophen does add up. I have crushed and used up to 4-6, 15mg oxycontin tablets (orally, not snorted or injected), but it seems that the oxycontin just made me more tired.

I've read other threads on this forum about the different ROAs, and I was curious about snorting to see if it would actually help me. I would like to cut down on the amount I am using on a daily basis, and it seems that snorting possibly would allow one to cut back on the amount of pills required to achieve the same effect.

It's been about 8 years since I have received dilaudid in any form. I believe the last time I had dilaudid, it was given IV in the emergency room. I was also prescribed 10, 2mg dilaudid suppositories to take home during that same hospital visit.

[shaunclo]

Hey there Hydro Joe, it does sound like your tolerance is getting up there but it sounds like it is somewhat in a controlable state at the moment. My only worry about you wanting to maybe try snorting your meds is (for most people) there is usually a invisible line in the sand that you would be crossing over that you will never ever be able to come back from. Its like climbing up a ladder where the lower rungs dissapear forever.

If you have gone 10 years without ever taking your meds any other way than orally, then I would suggest to keep taking them that way. There most definitely is a more profound affect when you snort any pill (in my opinion) and once you get that feeling you will more than likely love it. Then down the road when your tolerance no longer allows you to get that same feeling from snorting them, well then maybe ... just maybe shooting up a pill or two might sound like a good idea. And your head will then tell you so convincinely that its not like your gonna be shooting them all the time, it'll just be a now and again treat that you get to do. Cause theres no way in hell I am ever gonna end up like all the other junkies poking themselves with a needle every day.

Now this is all just my opinion on this matter cause I started off exactly the same way. No way in hell was I EVER gonna be ending up shooting dope all the time, but there are invisible lines that we all cross sooner or later and we might get away with keeping it under control for a many number of years, but for the vast majority opiates seduce you very very slowly until all of a sudden you look at yourself in the mirror with a needle sticking out of your neck. I love opiates more than I have ever loved anything else and am in the process of breaking that love, and it is the hardest thing I have ever tried to do in my life. Wow, I hope I didnt just hi-jack the fuck outta this thread.

[ReadyMade]

Originally Posted by shaunclo

Hey there Hydro Joe, it does sound like your tolerance is getting up there but it sounds like it is somewhat in a controlable state at the moment. My only worry about you wanting to maybe try snorting your meds is (for most people) there is usually a invisible line in the sand that you would be crossing over that you will never ever be able to come back from. Its like climbing up a ladder where the lower rungs dissapear forever.

If you have gone 10 years without ever taking your meds any other way than orally, then I would suggest to keep taking them that way. There most definitely is a more profound affect when you snort any pill (in my opinion) and once you get that feeling you will more than likely love it. Then down the road when your tolerance no longer allows you to get that same feeling from snorting them, well then maybe ... just maybe shooting up a pill or two might sound like a good idea. And your head will then tell you so convincinely that its not like your gonna be shooting them all the time, it'll just be a now and again treat that you get to do. Cause theres no way in hell I am ever gonna end up like all the other junkies poking themselves with a needle every day.

Now this is all just my opinion on this matter cause I started off exactly the same way. No way in hell was I EVER gonna be ending up shooting dope all the time, but there are invisible lines that we all cross sooner or later and we might get away with keeping it under control for a many number of years, but for the vast majority opiates seduce you very very slowly until all of a sudden you look at yourself in the mirror with a needle sticking out of your neck. I love opiates more than I have ever loved anything else and am in the process of breaking that love, and it is the hardest thing I have ever tried to do in my life. Wow, I hope I didnt just hi-jack the fuck outta this thread.

Well said. I totally agree. however, with some of those meds, such as oxycodone, you will not get any more pain relief from snorting it than you would from chewing them up... snorting it will just hit you much faster.

As far as potenation for Dilaudid goes, I would just stick to Benedryl. Its an antihistamine just like Promethazine, but IMO it wont overpower the Dilaudid buzz.

[Hydro-Joe]

Thanks to all whom responded to my questions.

Also, please don't think I'm pointing the finger at ANYONE who shoots or snorts their meds. We all have to do what we have to do, and I for one, don't look down on anyone for doing what they feel they must do. I'm just saying, that for now, snorting or injecting is just not for me.

Hydro-Joe

[bronyraur]

Originally Posted by Hydro-Joe

Thanks to all whom responded to my questions.

Also, please don't think I'm pointing the finger at ANYONE who shoots or snorts their meds. We all have to do what we have to do, and I for one, don't look down on anyone for doing what they feel they must do. I'm just saying, that for now, snorting or injecting is just not for me.

Hydro-Joe

That's a good idea Joe–just stick to taking them orally. In the big scheme of things, it's definitely worth it.

[erica]

Your method of choice is up to you. I don't think you're in much danger by snorting them vs taking them orally...personally, I'd just take them orally. I'm not much for putting shit up my nose unless necessary - it just doesn't last as long and I don't really get much of a rush from it anyway. I have a high tolerance though, so I'm not saying you won't. But it's up to you.

I am prescribed phenergan as well. I do find that is potentiates opiates quiet nicely...Although, if you don't have a bit of a tolerance for it, it does have the potential to just knock you out. I'd take maybe half of it about an hour before you take the dilaudid (it takes a while to really kick in) and see how that works.

Best of luck, and I hope you enjoy