Morphine

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

You all have helped me so many times that I thought I'd help you all out by giving something out that I tried this morning.Yes I'm the IV drug user or Morphine with no veins and yesterday Zodiac let me in on the browning mention whick I'd like to thank him for personally cuz it worked a hell of alot better then eating 'em and lasted a whole lot longer.
I also read on one of the posts about taking a hot bath which I do daily and as I was doing this yesterday I noticed nice blue lines going above the knees way closer to the top part of the leg anyways the veins became really easy to see in the hot water and when i got out so this morning when i got up I tried it just once i took approx. 50 mg of Avinza and crushed it w/ my mortar and pestal and put it into a spoon now usually I gotta shoot 120mg at once Well lets just say \i enjoy it alot,but I took a half cc. syringe and I'll admit it was a very sensative spot and I wasn't going to keep poking around there I got it first try and It was very shallow and easy to hit.And if any of you have IV'd morphine you know about the warm rush and the real itchy feeling you get on the soles of your feet and palms of your hands and sometimes every place else.So I know this was a good thing and i figured I'd post this because of all the threads I've been reading on hard to hit veins absecces etc. i didn't even need a touniquet.
well I hope this helps some of you out that are having a hard time hitting a good vein.

[exitwound]

"browning"/plugging morphine does work well, depending on what form of the drug you have.

I do use that method to administer my MS Contin sometimes, but unfortunately the Endo tablets I get from my local pharmacy via my primary doc are formulated so that they don't dissolve very efficiently in water -- thus absorption isn't as high as when they're taken orally.

It does hit fast though, and intensely!

I wish I had some Avinza along with my MS Contin. A mix of the two might give me better pain relief without hitting the "vomit wall" that I seem to reach so damned easily -- long before my pain is fully under control, that's for sure =/

Anyhow, always happy to share my knowledge, and learn more, about morphine! After all, with my chronic pain conditions, it's critical quality of life shit for me!

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

I guess I'll post another thread on morphine,as a few of you who read my threads know i was able to get 8 120mg.Avinzas last friday and have been milking them because tommorow SWIM will get a big score and it will be plentiful around here again for the next couple weeks.I only had 2 left from last Fridays stash when I got a call this afternoon, that on the next street over someone had some 15mg oxycodones (which I'm not sure exist in that amount of milligrams)but they wanted $10 a piece so I told them exactly what I thought of that deal.
Anyways I get notice a couple hours later that there are some 50mg.Kadiens which I'm sure you all know are like Avinzas all and all morphine is morphine and these were also 10 bucks a piece so I went and scored 20 of these and am feeling great right now.(I only took 3).The reason I'm posting is not to say HAHA I got and you don't type of deal but to let yo all in on a lil of the dangers I have encountered while scoring Avinzas and Kadiens.See because these are capsules with li'l white balls in them most people I know crush them up and eat them or snort them or do it there own ritualistic way.
This is where in the past I have encountered a problem. Especially last summer.The reason I'm posting this is cuz I care about all you wonderful people and don't want what happen to me not once but twice to happen to any of you.Well like I said the li'l white balls that they put in the capsules are supposed to be Morphine and since last summer I've been lucky,but I just want to let you know that as I am an IV user I have to be very careful about what I am putting in my body.Little did I know that last summer when I scored someone had emptied all the morphine out of the shell casings of my Avinzas and filled them with some unknowned substance.Now they were li'l white balls but I did have a li'l trouble drawing them up and injecting them,so like an idiot after 1 pill didn't get me buzzed I thought maybe it was my veins and not the pills so I injected 4 more. One at a time of course.Well the next day my two forearms were 3 times the size they should have been and I had To bandage them up and walk around like I was holding something (with my arms bent in half,fists towards the sky position) because to put my arms down it would cause the worse pain imaginable.I can only imaginewhat that jerk had put in my "morphine"capsules,maybe cold medicine, or maybe it was the anti-depressent Efflexor.I have no clue ,but I know some people are so mean and greedy and I would just like to warn you all to make sure you know what you are injecrting in your body if at all possible. .I hope I didn't bore you with this story but I'd rather have you know people are doing this occasionally b-4 it happens to you.

[Scarlettnight]

The same thing happened to my freind last summer she spent like 120.00$ on "Kadiens". Took 3 and couldn't figure out why they didn't work. So she brings them to me I bust em' open and yes it was filled with Effexor. Fortunatley she hadn't injected any but still 120.00 went swirl.

[shaunclo]

Originally Posted by exitwound

"browning"/plugging morphine does work well, depending on what form of the drug you have.

I do use that method to administer my MS Contin sometimes, but unfortunately the Endo tablets I get from my local pharmacy via my primary doc are formulated so that they don't dissolve very efficiently in water -- thus absorption isn't as high as when they're taken orally.

It does hit fast though, and intensely!

I wish I had some Avinza along with my MS Contin. A mix of the two might give me better pain relief without hitting the "vomit wall" that I seem to reach so damned easily -- long before my pain is fully under control, that's for sure =/

Anyhow, always happy to share my knowledge, and learn more, about morphine! After all, with my chronic pain conditions, it's critical quality of life shit for me!

EW, I notice that you post all the time about how much pain you are in, all the time. You have all this morphine, but it makes you sick. What kinda fuckin doctor do you have?? He gives you morphine that makes you sick? Cant you explain that to him so he can give you something that doesnt make you throw up? Maybe Duragesic would help, fentanyl is a very strong opiate and is intended for chronic pain sufferers. What about some oxycodone (endocet, oxycontin, etc.) Wont he swap out the morphine and exchange it for oxycodone?? I mean morphine and oxy are about the same schedule, so I dont see why he would give you morphine, but not oxy?

[exitwound]

Originally Posted by shaunclo

EW, I notice that you post all the time about how much pain you are in, all the time. You have all this morphine, but it makes you sick. What kinda fuckin doctor do you have?? He gives you morphine that makes you sick? Cant you explain that to him so he can give you something that doesnt make you throw up? Maybe Duragesic would help, fentanyl is a very strong opiate and is intended for chronic pain sufferers. What about some oxycodone (endocet, oxycontin, etc.) Wont he swap out the morphine and exchange it for oxycodone?? I mean morphine and oxy are about the same schedule, so I dont see why he would give you morphine, but not oxy?

It's doctor politics, sadly. Go to any chronic pain sufferer support community, and you'll see the trend everywhere among us.

Docs don't like the attention they get when they prescribe oxy, dilaudid or fentanyl; they also get paranoid completely out of proportion to the real risk of them getting in trouble over it. So, in their minds, it minimizes their risk to prescribe long-acting morphines (MS Contin, Kadian, Avinza) instead of the dreaded OxyContin or any other form of oxy. Usually the only option for breakthrough pain at that point is hydro.....and thusly, you end up with a regimen like mine.

Basically, this whole area is full of "pain management doctors" who won't prescribe opiates at all unless you're dying of cancer and even then they'll screw you blind in terms of not prescribing enough of the right things....for cases like mine, all they offer is nerve-block shots or nerve-cutting surgeries -- neither of which are likely to work for my condition and which actually often make it much worse!

I was very lucky to find a doc who has a couple of other patients with conditions similar to mine, and a reputation for not being completely afraid of prescribing opiates to treat them. But he's formulated a pre-conceived idea of what he's willing to offer, and that's the mscontin-lortab combo. Any time I've tried to bring up the subject of other options, he starts putting out clear signals that he's not open to it.

He's a good guy otherwise, and maybe he'll surprise me at some point, but right now obviously I'm feeling very frustrated about this. I think that he knows as well as I do that I'd probably be better off on oxy or fentanyl.....but honestly, I haven't been too intense with him about the vomiting problems and dose-ceiling that they cause because I'm nervous that he'll just take my morphine away and not replace it with anything viable, or otherwise leave me worse off than when I started.

Right now, this is a very common situation among sufferers....at least in the northeast and many other areas. Docs just don't want to have anything to do with oxy or any of the other two "Big No-No's".

[ssjTiamat]

EW... your exactly correct. It is really a sad, sad situation. I have spent two seperate stints at two area pain clinics. One would only prescrip vic. es (7.5/500) and nerve blocks. Your right.. the blocks only made my pain worse. The other pain clinic did give me oxy and at first was very cool and compassionate about the whole thing. But after a couple of months they started cutting everyone off. Still not sure why, but it was an office-wide cut-off that I know for sure. Now I am back at my original family Dr. and he has surprisingly been better then any pain clinic ever was.

He is very open to discussin options, but he too does not want to switch me from oxy to anything else, even tho I need a breakthru med. But the Doctor politics is really bs. I have dealt with that crap for over four years and it will not get any better. Everytime I hear the word Oxycontin on the news it scares me, because all these doctors are scared of the attention and losing their license for over prescribing and what not. And thats all I need is for attention to be brought to the med and then I get cut off. It makes me nervous.

You know.. there is a small movement among Doctors in relation to trying to end the "stereotyping" of pain sufferers but it does not yet have enough steam. Thing is, and I'm sure your aware of this, once you get a doc. who is willing to listen and will prescribe opiates you have to be very careful to not get on his bad side. However.. never lose sight of the fact that YOU are the Dr.'s customer and they SHOULD treat you as such. I know it is hard to bring that perspective to light with the dr. themselves, but its true. They SHOULD listen more than they do and they SHOULD be held accountable for poor prescribing practices. Whenever they give you something that does not do the job, they SHOULD remedy the problme and give you something that does work.

One quick side note. I have (in the past) made written complaints about doctors and pharmacists who have treated me like an asshole for asking for something to help with the pain. Esp. pharmacists. They can be so condesending at times. Dr.s too. And that pisses me off because you wait sometimes 1 hour to get your measly 5 minutes with them (because ohh there time is soo valuable) and then they dont even help you or they talk down to you. Really "gets my goat". But you can complain to the Office of Professional Regulation. It is a government agency that is kinda a watchdog for Business and Dr.'s alike. I dont know if the complaints ever do any good, and I have only done it twice, both in extreme situations... but something to consider. Cuz remember... YOU are the Dr.'s CUSTOMER.

just me $0.02

BTW - good luck EW. Hope your Dr. continues to at least help you a little bit.

[exitwound]

well, at long last and only because my condition has gone way over the top consistently getting worse and worse for the past several months, I have been switched to 240mg of OxyContin per day. Hopefully I can maintain at this dosage for a while to come; it's much more effective than what came before, has far less side effects and although more expensive, is probably a better value overall for me.