why codeine is so unpopular

[supravires]

in the beginning, sorry 4 my english, its really really poor, but I have some questions about popularity of codeine in USA, GB, and West European countries..
I observed that "codeine" forum has no permanently users, im aaking: WHY?
Reportedly you have better access to morphine, oxycodone, fentanyl, etc.. but codeine is perfect, not too strong, it makes mi happy (i know M, fentanyl, tramadol, codeine, heroine, makiwara ( poppy soup)), I had long addiction, but know I go down with doses very much...
and codeine is perfect, idont feel so stoned, but I can go to university, to work, meet my friends, and be happy, not stereotical junkie
ps. in Poland we have 2 OTC's (using by junkies) with codeine: Antidol 15 (15mg C + 500paracetamolum/pill/10pills) that we preparing by CWE, and Thiocodin (15mg C + 300mg sulfogwaiakolum/pill). many people choose codeine, maybe beacuse access is easier?
I heard, You Wolrd Junkies, that fory You its only toy, step for next drug.. or even dont ever tried?

ps2. one more time sorry form my engllish!!

[I-Nod]

I'd imagine the reason is because Codeine has a ceiling and most of our tolerances are past that. Also, since it's not OTC here in the US (which is a large part of our member-base) we tend to stray towards hydrocodone and oxycodone.

[underide]

yeah, it also has more negative side-effects like a lot more itchiness and pins-and-needles, etc. and some people of caucasian race are defficient in CYP2D which is the enzyme that transforms codeine into morphine in the liver

They say it's aproximately 10% of the white race that have inefficent levels of that enzyme so they can't even feel codeine at all - i.e even with ZERO opiate tolerance, codeine just doesn't work for those people

and like I-nod said - tolerance is probably the biggest factor why so many people are not so fond of it - because it doesn't satisfy the majority of this board's cravings i guess, because of the aforementioned ceiling effect

for those of us that like to IV (inject intravenously or into the vein) our opiates - you cannot IV codeine
well you can, but doing so is an extremely unpleasant experience and can even kill you, so that's another reason for you


but if you still enjoy them, then more power to you, man.
you're certainly better off to sticking to these rather than getting into more serious (and yet a lot more pleasant ) shit like heroin

[JimboGianto]

Ya I think everyone hit the nail on the head here, codeine just sucks in general, way too weak, I didn't even that there was a ceiling for it but then again I have done so little research on codeine that it doesn't surprise me. If it were available over the counter I think it would be MUCH more popular to be honest for a whole host of reasons I'm not even going to try to go into. I think the main reason for me is the fact that I need SO much codeine to get high, and the codeine that I come across (If I ever come across it at all, it's just not available, nobody wastes their time on it!) has so much frigging tylenol in it that I would be destroying my liver if I were to take it. At this point, the only thing codeine is good for is if I'm going through w/d's and desperate for SOMETHING and that is the ONLY thing available lol, otherwise it's CRAP!

[repeek]

It is my understanding that the prescribing of codeine in America is rare simply because a DR cannot detect abuse of morphine or heroin in codeine users.

Ever since the scheduling of narcotics codeine has become less prescribed. I doubt it is coincidence.

[OxyContinuously]

Codeine is unpopular for a variety of reasons.

1) it has a ceiling dose of around 400mg

2) it is a 2 hour gig, no matter how much you take

3) for the small amount of euphoria it induces, it's bothersome side effects such as pruritits and sometimes nausea outweigh the benefits

4) it is as addictive as morphine even though it is qualitatively much weaker, yet can produce a withdrawal syndrome just as nasty as morphine's.

5) sometimes it can depress respiration in any dose

6) compared to other opiates, codeine has a tendency to cause a nasty histamine reaction in some users

7) some people are allergic and go into anaphylactic shock

8) tolerance to codeine develops rather quickly

9) the associated erectile dysfunction can be worse for codeine than it is for much stronger opiates, paradoxically

10) it's more trouble than it's worth

[rockbottom]

eveybody is different--i really like the effects of codiene like u said happy and productive--but when u go to something stronger codiene it just doesn't work anymore----welcome from Poland--i could undersatnd u fine--keep posting as i love to learn about drug scene in different countries---Peace---

[EleusisII]

in Poland we have 2 OTC's (using by junkies) with codeine

Polish junkies are indeed a pathetic bunch...
What about the Polish car thieves? They steal alot of bikes? Do they hang out with Polish bankrobbers, or whoever it is, that empty the quarters out of phonebooths over there?




Seriously though, as corrupt as the Polish medical profession and Polish doctors are, isn't it easy to be hooked up with at least some morphine?
Oxycodone isn't available there, right?

[OxyContinuously]

Originally Posted by EleusisII

Polish junkies are indeed a pathetic bunch...
What about the Polish car thieves? They steal alot of bikes? Do they hang out with Polish bankrobbers, or whoever it is, that empty the quarters out of phonebooths over there?




Seriously though, as corrupt as the Polish medical profession and Polish doctors are, isn't it easy to be hooked up with at least some morphine?
Oxycodone isn't available there, right?

Hahaha! ^^^ they have rings of theives that specifically empty payphones? wow poland is even worse than i thought!!

[Poppylvr]

Hi supravires
I don't like codiene because it does nothing for me. No high, no enjoyment.
Welcome!
I too would love to hear more about drug use in Poland.

[Narkotikon]

Because it's weak and sucks ass.

[longduckdong]

^^ Yeah +1

[nick]

Codeine sucks.....until I'm sick.Then it's worth a lot.

Plus,I can buy 600mgs of pretty much pure codeine for under $5.

[longduckdong]

Originally Posted by nick

Codeine sucks.....until I'm sick.Then it's worth a lot.

Plus,I can buy 600mgs of pretty much pure codeine for under $5.

How much does it take to feel anything? I once took like 210mgs at one time and felt absolutely nothing. (I think it was like 7 T3's).

Maybe thats why I never liked it.

[Narkotikon]

Originally Posted by nick

Codeine sucks.....until I'm sick.Then it's worth a lot.

Plus,I can buy 600mgs of pretty much pure codeine for under $5.

Does it work well in w/d? For some reason I always thought that people who live in countries with OTC codeine were lucky, because they'd never have to go through that bad of a w/d. But, then again, codeine is really weak. Is it even worth it to use in w/d from stronger opiates?