Codeine dose conversion?

[renton]

I've been checking out the narcotic dosage converters and they say that the max dose of codeine that body can metabolize in a day is the same as 20mg oxy. So is this right? Would taking big doses of codeine every day be the same as a small dose of oxy? I don't see then how codeine can still cause bad w/d's when it's used for along time considering how weak it is compared to the opiates most people get hooked on like morphine or oxy.

[duper]

Isn't codeine just a prodrug for morphine?

[wafflehead77]

Originally Posted by renton

I've been checking out the narcotic dosage converters and they say that the max dose of codeine that body can metabolize in a day is the same as 20mg oxy. So is this right? Would taking big doses of codeine every day be the same as a small dose of oxy? I don't see then how codeine can still cause bad w/d's when it's used for along time considering how weak it is compared to the opiates most people get hooked on like morphine or oxy.

Codeine w/d's are a walk in the park. Hell, so are hydro w/d's. I guess it is all subjective though. If you have ever kicked H, oxy, fent, or D's, then codeine is fucking cake.

Although, the first sickness I had was from a codeine run, and I thought it was horrible at the time. Little did I know...

Edit: Your conversion sounds about right by the way. Approx. 10% of the codeine is demethylated to morphine, meaning you can convert around 400mg (ceiling) to 40mg of M, on average. However, you can increase this by inducing the cyp2d6 enzyme that demethylates codeine, which will allow more of the codeine to be metabolized into morphine.

[upstate_007]

Originally Posted by wafflehead77

Although, the first sickness I had was from a codeine run, and I thought it was horrible at the time. Little did I know...

My first kick was from a 1 bag of H per day habit and I thought I was in hell. A few years later and a 15 bag a day habit taught me the meaning of hell when I kicked that one.

[wafflehead77]

Originally Posted by upstate_007

My first kick was from a 1 bag of H per day habit and I thought I was in hell. A few years later and a 15 bag a day habit taught me the meaning of hell when I kicked that one.

Ahh the good old days. When the sickness lasted 2 days, and then you are fine. Plus, it didnt cost a small fortune just to stay well.

[renton]

I guess it is all subjective. I thought getting of oxy and fentanyl was hard, then I tried poppy pods and found out what real withdrawal was like I don't know what it is about pods but that was the worst thing I ever went through.

[upstate_007]

Originally Posted by renton

I don't know what it is about pods but that was the worst thing I ever went through.

Pods contain all the goodies of the opium spectrum. When you kick Oxy, you are just kicking oxycodone. When you kick pods, you are kicking morphine, codeine, thebane, etc, etc, etc. all at once.

[wafflehead77]

Good point. Pods and seed tea are a motherfucker to kick. For me, they are somewhere between oxy and H withdrawal, with the duration of methadone. Personally, I couldnt even shake the w/d's with morph or oxy. All the different alkaloids add to the hell, and only more tea or opum will completely rid you of the sickness. Morph helps, but it still is not complete. Shitty.

[roxi*stardust]

Originally Posted by renton

I've been checking out the narcotic dosage converters and they say that the max dose of codeine that body can metabolize in a day is the same as 20mg oxy. So is this right? Would taking big doses of codeine every day be the same as a small dose of oxy? I don't see then how codeine can still cause bad w/d's when it's used for along time considering how weak it is compared to the opiates most people get hooked on like morphine or oxy.

While codeine does seems weak to us "pill heads", it is actually a schedule 2 (CII) drug when it is in a form that contains no other substances (APAP, Guafenesin) and it over 30mg, I think it's 30mg. Meaning in that form it has the same abuse potential as things like MSO4, Oxycodone, etc. At least that's what the FDA, DEA, and US Government say.