How to make MAM from morphine

[bogumil]

Some junky from another board posted, how to make MAM from Morphine HCl. He would use the drops from MErck, but it should work with any HCl. It might wrk with sulfate too?

Just put the morphine (powdered or liquid) on a spoon. Add acetic acid and cook it until the spoon is dry. Be a little careful with the heat but it may cook a while. He shot it and say it is great.

Have fun.

[Mokelly]

and you think this is legit bog? acetic acid can be substituted with vinegar right?? Thanks bog

[exitwound]

I saw little jars marked ACETIC ACID with a date in the late 90's (second number was hard to make out) written on the top of them, at a recent visit with my wife to her midwives' office for a post-birth checkup. Anyone know is this could be used to acetylate morphine?

[bogumil]

Yes, there were many people who already knew about it and do it. I was angry cause I never had heard about it before ... The one guy explained it .. it was something like for a double acetylation, which yields DI - ACETYL morphine, one needs acetic anhydride (or acetic chloride). But for only ONE acetylation, yielding MONO - ACETYL - morphine one only needs acetic acid and heat to get the reaction rolling.

I think it shouldnt be a problem to use the older acetic acid. I would just open the bottles and see if they still smell like vinegar. If they do: on one pill a few drops, just to wetten it and to have a little bit of acid covering it, so that it can cook for a few seconds, is enough.

I only would check if it is too acidic before one shoots it, I dont know if one always adds the exact amount of acid to react with all the morphine or one adds a littl ebit too much, when one wants to have a little lake to be able to cook it. MAybe if one dilutes it with water, the one could just add 3 drops of 99% acetic acid and the rest water. Dont know if that would work ....

But they said its just: morphine pill crushed on a spoon, acetic acid on it, then heat it with lighter and let it boil a few seconds until all the liquid is gone (of course beeing careful to not burn it).

[asaqwert]

Originally Posted by bogumil

Yes, there were many people who already knew about it and do it. I was angry cause I never had heard about it before ... The one guy explained it .. it was something like for a double acetylation, which yields DI - ACETYL morphine, one needs acetic anhydride (or acetic chloride). But for only ONE acetylation, yielding MONO - ACETYL - morphine one only needs acetic acid and heat to get the reaction rolling.

I think it shouldnt be a problem to use the older acetic acid. I would just open the bottles and see if they still smell like vinegar. If they do: on one pill a few drops, just to wetten it and to have a little bit of acid covering it, so that it can cook for a few seconds, is enough.

I only would check if it is too acidic before one shoots it, I dont know if one always adds the exact amount of acid to react with all the morphine or one adds a littl ebit too much, when one wants to have a little lake to be able to cook it. MAybe if one dilutes it with water, the one could just add 3 drops of 99% acetic acid and the rest water. Dont know if that would work ....

But they said its just: morphine pill crushed on a spoon, acetic acid on it, then heat it with lighter and let it boil a few seconds until all the liquid is gone (of course beeing careful to not burn it).

i do not think this actually works

do you not think that people would be just doing this with their morphine, instead of trying to get heroin off the street? i know i would...

i've tried mixing vinager with my morphine solution and boiling it, although i didn't boil it all the way down; it did not work

i think this will not work because acetic acid IS different than acetic anhydride

please, someone who has TRIED this conversion, and knows more about it, please post and tell us if this will POSSIBLY work

i do not think it will

[insanesteveo]

if acetic acid heated to over 800 degrees becomes acetic anhydride, and acetic acid doesnt react with morphine(or at least ALL the morphine), then if it was boiled all the way down and heated sufficiently(and quickly as it sounds, in a spooon) i would think that the morphine would cook with the acetic acid until it turns to acetic anhydride, then it reacts and makes h.

im not sure if that would explain it or work, just thoughts.

[Mokelly]

I'm pretty sure if that were the case it would catch fire well before reaching 800 degrees....

[devilsdrug]

the m would be gone long before 800

[THEPAINTER1960]

Originally Posted by asaqwert

i do not think this actually works

do you not think that people would be just doing this with their morphine, instead of trying to get heroin off the street? i know i would...

i've tried mixing vinager with my morphine solution and boiling it, although i didn't boil it all the way down; it did not work

i think this will not work because acetic acid IS different than acetic anhydride

please, someone who has TRIED this conversion, and knows more about it, please post and tell us if this will POSSIBLY work

i do not think it will

Man i never heard about that but i do know that they use it to make heroin out of morphine base. I know that swim used to take his MS-CONTIN 100 miligram and take the coating off and then he would crush the tablet . Then he would make a saline solution out of epsom salt and water . And then draw up the liquid. Man i bet he just remembers that pins & needles & warm rush. oh swim what memories

[kramorph]

I vaguely remeber the reaction of morphine and gacial acetic acid does yeild a small amount of MAM, and with a catalyst some DAM.But the conditions required for reaction destroys alot of the morphine. All this talk about morphine that everyones got, where can I get some?

[bogumil]

Originally Posted by asaqwert

i do not think this actually works

do you not think that people would be just doing this with their morphine, instead of trying to get heroin off the street? i know i would...

i've tried mixing vinager with my morphine solution and boiling it, although i didn't boil it all the way down; it did not work

i think this will not work because acetic acid IS different than acetic anhydride

please, someone who has TRIED this conversion, and knows more about it, please post and tell us if this will POSSIBLY work

i do not think it will

Yes, but its done pretty regular over here fro what I heard. And I think most people get H from the street way easier than morphine from the doc. ...

But I dont know. Did it one time but had to throw it away because I burned it ... and then I had no acetic anymore. and then no morphine and so on. But next time I get something for my pain I will try and report (says SWIM).

Yes, the acetic acid is different from the acetic anhydride. Thats why you only get the first acetylation done. To get the 2 nessesar for H, you need acetic anhydride or acetic chloride. But like I said Im only very convinced that it works, because there was a long thread on a board and about 5 people wrote that they do this regularly.

So, yes, people have to try and report. But better not try and stay away from drugs.

[psychotiKK]

It seems almost TOO easy to make heroin. It almost sounds like you can make H from taking some morphine pills and adding acetic anhydride. If it's not that easy, then wouldn't you somehow take morphine sulfate pills and convert them to pure morphine hcl powder, then adding acetic anhydride to the morphine?

The DEA Heroin Manufacture recipe reports taking the morphine hcl and adding acetic anhydride at about 3x the mass of the morphine. Use something like a stainless steel pot with lid closed, and heated at 85 degrees Celsius. (185 degrees F) Avoid boiling. Cook for about 5 hours until all the morphine has dissolved. Then there are extra steps in filtering out the other solutions. This creates 700 grams of heroin base per kilo of morphine. It would be wise to purify the base by dissolving it in twice it's mass of boiling ethyl alcohol, then filtered into a heated flask. The flask is placed in cold ice water and then placed in the refrigerator with a fan blowing on it. After several hours the paste crystalizes and is vacuum filtered. The product is re-crystallized heroin base. The procedure of purification is to filter out alot of crap. The final procedure isn't required, but to do it you must use re-crystallized heroin base or just plain heroin base. Some more solvents are added and heated, and of course more filtering done, but it is well worth it in the end when you create the fine white powdered heroin hydrochloride aka Diacetylmorphine HCl aka Heroin no. 4 aka China White aka the injectable form. Phew...

So the procedures ARE more difficult then just adding acetic anhydride. I'm not saying the process is difficult, just not as easy as people make it sound. I have one question that hopefully someone knowledgeable can answer. How is mexican black tar heroin created? I was thinking it might be just heroin base using different solvents and methods of purifying. I believe I am wrong. I found this on a website:

Tar on the other hand is done with more basic processing skipping most
steps:
going directly from opium to heroin by acetylating opium instead of
morphine base.

->Raw Opium
->Cooked Opium
->Heroin base/HCl (tar)

Here is the process I SORT of explained for China White:

China white is done by many steps :

->Raw Opium
->Cooked Opium
->Morphine base
->Alcohol morphine base
->Heroin base
->Heroin HCl
->Final purification (?)
And during all these steps the product is purified at maximum, using
activated charcoal, chloroform to absorb impurities and get a white
color, brown impurities being absorbed.

HUGE differences in the manufacture of tar compared to china white. Man I need to get over to the east side and try that shit out! Or maybe I could buy alot of black tar someday and try to purify it into powder or even china white (doubt it, need lots of chemicals, it's a long prep, and probably eats up tar like crazy if purfied.

ANOTHER QUESTION. If china white is extremely pure, then how come mexican black tar was stated to be at 60% to 84% in purity in the year 98 and it's supposidely increasing. Anyone have an idea how they are doing this? Same procedure.. yet much higher level of purity..

LAST QUESTION. If the half-life of diacetylmorphine is only 3-5 minutes, then the H is converted to its metabolites: 6-monoacetylmorphine, (6-MAM) morphine, and morphine-glucuronides
How come people don't make 6-MAM instead of heroin if heroin only has a half life of up to 5 minutes? I have a guess but I dont know if it's correct. The "rush" you feel is from the diacetylmorphine (heroin) Once it's ended you are feeling the effects of 6-MAM and the metabolites? Or is 6-MAM the only recreational/active metabolite? Damn I've learned so much over the past year or so..

[ontario_opiophile]

Mexican Tar is horse shit. It's such a crude product. It's contaminated with all sorts of junk and different alkaloids. It's got codeine, papaverine, 6mam, morphine, diamoprhine. They find all sorts of shit in it. I'm sure it feels decent but I would prefer the Asian style heroin or Colombian heroin. I don't like how they produce their heroin central america. I prefer a dry power. Not something that looks like a little piece of poo. But hey, i would probably take the shitty mexi-tar if somemone gave it to me so meh.

[psychotiKK]

Originally Posted by ontario_opiophile

Mexican Tar is horse shit. It's such a crude product. It's contaminated with all sorts of junk and different alkaloids. It's got codeine, papaverine, 6mam, morphine, diamoprhine. They find all sorts of shit in it. I'm sure it feels decent but I would prefer the Asian style heroin or Colombian heroin. I don't like how they produce their heroin central america. I prefer a dry power. Not something that looks like a little piece of poo. But hey, i would probably take the shitty mexi-tar if somemone gave it to me so meh.

Be careful thinking that black tar is shitty.. the purity of this form keeps going up over the years. Smoking it sucked, I hardly got any effect no matter how much I did. I "chased the dragon" too. Everyone says smoking tar is the way to go.. yea right. Cooking it up with a little bit of water in a spoon and putting the solution up the nose is the second best way of taking the stuff. I think you are being either incredibly ignorant or just copying what others have said. Have you actually tried it? No.. Also you say it can have codeine, papaverine, 6mam, morphine, diamorphine.. wtf? How am I going to get papaverine and codeine in my heroin unless it wasn't really heroin and is opium? BLACK TAR HEROIN IS NOT OPIUM. What's so weird about levels of 6-MAM and morphine showing up? That's completely normal for heroin. The funny thing is people who rather have mexi brown powder don't understand that the black tar isn't any weaker then the powder. I'd rather have some good phillie dope, which is diacetylmorphine HCL, and also known as China White for it's white appearance. That's the purest form made as you probably know. To say black tar is shit though.. don't shoot up alot of it thinking it's super weak, cuz it will cause a quick OD. I've banged tar like I mentioned before, and it definately did not feel like all that crap you mentioned. It was incredibly euphoric and provided a strong rush so intense all I could do is laugh and enjoy the ride. When I watch Requiem for a Dream from the begining when Harry and the Wayans guy are shooting up the good stuff and right after they are giggling like little girls and stumbling around. The effect lasts around 4-6 hours if you take enough. Black tar H is the best opiate I ever had. Nothing really comes close.. except maybe IV morphine or IV hydromorphone, but I haven't tried either. It IS basically a crude form of heroin with a decently-high purity. It is usually cut with either caffeine, "shoe polish", (ive heard this before but I doubt it) and quinine (which I believe is cut in other forms of heroin, not tar.. but I'm not 100% sure)

[bogumil]

@psychotikk: I know, its unbelievable, but making H is as easy as baking a cake. Easier. And making H from morphine pills would work excellent. Actually I know someone personally who did it. I dont know there is some sign when you realize that your at the H state but dont ask me what it is. LOL. But anyhow I would be happy with 6MAM too and so will probably be others and think they have heroin. I read somewhere that 6 MAM is better anyway? No idea, I kind of doubt it, but the stuff must be great. Or did you maybe mean the halflfe of heroin in the body with 3-5 minutes? Because this I know that heroin becomes debuild to 6MAM within 2 minutes, max.5 in the brain tissue, the 6MAM lasts about 20 minutes and is debuild in the blood to morphine.

But getting AA is almost impossible, well for someone who has no connection to people who are in this chem business. I dont have this connections ...

Of course, if you want pharma grade heroin that yo ucan inject right from the bottle without any filtering, then you would have to do all the refining. But with the aa boil you get somewhat aroun 90 percent, less if you do it on unprepared pills, but still... H is H for someone who never used pharma grade and the stuff that comes out from this boil would knock us out probably.

So I think were meaning the same: Its difficult and easy at the same time deoending on what purity you want. Im very happy witha anythign about 10%, so the cooked stuff would make me happy ...

BTW: Has someone tried the MAM procedure? I only have slow release morphine and the stuff that comes out when I boil this becomes dark bron and gooey. Nothing one would like to shoot ... And one cnt snort it either cause its too sticky. I lost it the last time so I dont know how it is when eaten ...