Endo MSContins?

[exitwound]

About how much more efficient will it be if I crush and insufflate an Endo generic MSC 30mg instead of consume it orally? Obviously there's the instant-vs.-sustained-release difference, but as I recall, morphine is very nasally asborbable and it makes more sense to snort these little pills. But that information could be outdated, from the days of the old brand MSC's....anyone have first-hand experience with the Endo's in particular, and any tips generally?

I don't make a habit of messing with these. I'm just curious because I like to have maximum knowledge of what's available to me and how I can make use of it as part of my overall arsenal....

[insaneike]

Well I've oly seen 5 and 10mg Endocet, never 30 so I'm not sure what you got, BUT the 5mg contains acetaminophen which should NOT be snorted!

later

[exitwound]

These are Endo Morphine Sulfate Continuous Release (MS-Contin) pills, in various dosages. So the formulation would be significantly different from that of their Oxycodone formulations.

I'm very curious....does anyone have experience with these specific brand of MS-Contin and in particular, the 30-60-100mg versions? Any tips on how to make the most of them? I am treating pain, not trying to get high....just trying to be efficient. If I'll absorb more into my system by occasionally crushing them, making a solution, and plugging some....holding some under my tongue before swallowing....even snort some of the powder....would any of that increase the amount of morphine actually absorbed by my system and do you have any experiences to share that could shed light on these issues?

Thanks, brothers and sisters....

[jab]

The endo MSCs are not very good for anything other than eating. I've gotten them a few tims and just hated them. My new pharm gets the Mallendcrot (sp?) MSC and they are a LOT of fun! The endos though are not. The way the pill matrix works you can't even speed the effects by chewing them up, and snorting will make a nasty glob in your nose that will impede ingestion.

[paesan]

The only way to do any Morphine formulation that gels up is tbe "brown" method. This method feels the closest to IM morphine IMO. Eating M sucks & if you have any kind of tolerance (like me) you have to eat a rediculous amount to feel anything (like 400+mgs), so if you're getting it on the street it can get very expensive very quick.

[jab]

Unfrotunately, that doesn't work with the Endos. If you read MD's posts on ADH, he's tried several ways to crisp them, and has failed. He steadfastly states to never get the Endos (unless you WANT to eat them) and I agree. Not to mention, the Endos are huge compared to M and PFs version.

Also, it's all about opinion. I'm the opposite of you, I can take a ton of oxy and get very little, while M puts me where I want to be evertime. Other than H I'd rather have M than anything else. It's all opinion and what works best for you though.

Originally Posted by paesan

The only way to do any Morphine formulation that gels up is tbe "brown" method. This method feels the closest to IM morphine IMO. Eating M sucks & if you have any kind of tolerance (like me) you have to eat a rediculous amount to feel anything (like 400+mgs), so if you're getting it on the street it can get very expensive very quick.

[exitwound]

Originally Posted by jab

The endo MSCs are not very good for anything other than eating. I've gotten them a few tims and just hated them. My new pharm gets the Mallendcrot (sp?) MSC and they are a LOT of fun! The endos though are not. The way the pill matrix works you can't even speed the effects by chewing them up, and snorting will make a nasty glob in your nose that will impede ingestion.

So I discovered last night, LOL....thankfully I was cautious and only "wasted" a few milligrams. I took all the gel'd material that was sitting in my nose, and swallowed it instead.

I may try intra-rectal admin. per Paesan's suggestion....the longer exposure time might make up for the gelling issue as long as I have a long period with my colon empty for the gel to absorb.

I wonder if there are any chemical tricks to "dissolve" the gel for faster administration?

I ask not because I want to get "high," but rather as most of you folks know by now, to help treat my pain properly. I run out of my current breakthrough meds way too fast and sometimes I need a fast-acting bit of help. I guess I'll have to find it elsewhere; no problem. :-)

[jab]

Yeah, I've been reading your posts, and I saw you what happened. Sux, I whent through it too. I would not sugges the anal route with the Endos either, since the matrix is very strong. If you got some the play with though, let us know if it works.

As far as a chemical wash, from what I understand, again the Endos won't work. They seem to have their time release mechanism done pretty good to avoid any extra fun.

Good luck and let us know how it goes!

Originally Posted by exitwound

So I discovered last night, LOL....thankfully I was cautious and only "wasted" a few milligrams. I took all the gel'd material that was sitting in my nose, and swallowed it instead.
I may try intra-rectal admin. per Paesan's suggestion....the longer exposure time might make up for the gelling issue as long as I have a long period with my colon empty for the gel to absorb.
I wonder if there are any chemical tricks to "dissolve" the gel for faster administration?