valium and xanax

[opiobsessed]

If someone is on 20mg valium twice daily and also xanax(only as needed once daily)for panic attacks or fits of rage. The question would be, do the 2 benzo's work okay with each other? also for best effects is it best to take the 20mg(two 10mg)valiums along with the 2mg xanax all at once or is it best to only take the 2mg xanax by itself when needed?

One idea, say if one were to cold turkey quit 190mg methadone 1x daily mmt, would this combo help get one through wd's until they could start on subutex hopefully, or suboxone? or would it not even come close to working unless one waited until they were down to at least 90 or 80mg methadone daily before jumping off methadone?

[HistoryofMadness]

unfortunately when it comes to opies and benzos, you're talking apples and oranges. they may help each others' respective WD but you are still going to go through hell... especially with 190mg 'done and TWO fucking benzos...

might be time to look at a taper on 'done and taper OFF of one of the benzos... preferably the xanax first...

just my humble opinion.

[30_Units]

Not going to cut it man. I know you're itching to get off the 'done, but you really need to take it slow, or you're really going to suffer. I know people who've dropped from 50mg cold turkey and they were bedridden/toiletridden for weeks and weeks. You really will regret jumping off so high.

The clinic I used to go to made people get to 30mg before they could cold turkey onto suboxone. If you try and jump from the habit you have now, buprenorphine is not going to cover your wd's before it's dose-ceiling takes effect. You'll put yourself through hell for nothing but impatience.

As for the benzos-They may seem to work better if you take them all at once, but the idea is that the valium is your everyday pill. The xanax is for you to use if you feel a fit of anxiety or rage I guess in your case coming on. Using them both daily is a good way to get your tolerance up and assure that neither one will cover the anxiety and rage you were feeling before dosing everyday with it.

Just stay with your taper-I know it's not what you want to hear, but your options are limited with how high of a dose you're on.

[bodytec]

yea man you will need to try to slim down your 'done as far as possible
then use the benzos,or diazas rather, while you are in the time between the two opi's
this time will be only a day or so
subs aren't that bad,getting stabilized on them jist is

[Leave it ta Beaver]

I just recently switched from 130 mgs. of methadone,( 5yrs. on this MMT) to suboxone and I was getting my dose reduced 5mgs. a week for a 'lil while, but then was put on a 21 day detox for fee's and it was hell!
I had to get down to 20 mgs. before starting the suboxone & then wait 5 days before they'd start me, in wich I went back to doing dope 'till I could start the bupe.

About the benzo.'s I don't think they will help too much, I myself had a habit of xanax/Kpins during the switch ( in wich I am currentlly working on kicking & did 8 or so days in the hospital in wich they tottally fucked it all up an wound up taking a ambulance ride sunday due to having a siezure) Benzo.'s are some scary shit to kick, scarred the hell outta my mom & stepdad!!

Good luck to you, it might be rough at first but if ya hang in there you'll adapt!

[Morphus]

Originally Posted by opiobsessed

If someone is on 20mg valium twice daily and also xanax(only as needed once daily)for panic attacks or fits of rage. The question would be, do the 2 benzo's work okay with each other? also for best effects is it best to take the 20mg(two 10mg)valiums along with the 2mg xanax all at once or is it best to only take the 2mg xanax by itself when needed?

One idea, say if one were to cold turkey quit 190mg methadone 1x daily mmt, would this combo help get one through wd's until they could start on subutex hopefully, or suboxone? or would it not even come close to working unless one waited until they were down to at least 90 or 80mg methadone daily before jumping off methadone?

Dude you've already got two drugs you're dependent on: Methadone and valium, you're not in too deep with the valium at 20mg a day but if you ever wanted to quit it would be a long, slow taper off (the valium) 6 months at least. Now you wanna throw more into the mix? If you've been taking taking valium for awhile already xanax isnt going to rock your world, I mean it may give you a little boost at first but soon enough you wont be feeling much of it at all, but you'll probably miss it when it's gone, so then you'll wanna up the dosage, going deeper and deeper, maybe try switching from one to the other, but youre not doing yourself any favors by piling more drugs on top of what you already take. And for the last question, if I was you I'd take all the benzos at once, before my methadone dose so I could get a buzz, as ill advised and dangerous as that might be. Good luck on chiselling down your done dose, if thats what you're trying to do.

[EleusisII]

If someone is on 20mg valium twice daily and also xanax(only as needed once daily)for panic attacks or fits of rage.

Nice cuppa tea and yoga class might help?

[opiobsessed]

Thanks everyone for your advice, I know I'm just getting deeper by adding more drugs to the mix, but at least the Xanax has really calmed me down for now since I've been so depressed and raged lately. As far as taking all the benzo's at once before the methadone, I'll try that, but in order to do that(since my Mom hides my pills and gives them to me as prescribed because she knows I can't control myself). I will have to skip one Xanax pill one day and hide it and then take just one 10mg valium at morning and the other at bedtime, otherwise I probably would not feel very good through the day if I didn't take any benzo's for one day. Or would I be ok?

Good idea, I'm gonna try it once, that way if its on a weekday I can just come home and take all the benzo's I'm allowed for that day or gulp em down on the way home from the clinic, just be careful and stop a mile or so from clinic and yank out my little bottle I have the 4 valium in and the 2mg Xannie and take them so that they are not dosed too far apart from when I took the methadone, otherwise if I waited till I got home, it would be almost 30 mins or more since I dosed at the clinic. Would that matter? or would I be safer just keeping them stashed at home and just wait till I get home to take em? heck if I did that, I could just come home and wait for my first 20mg valium for that day and then I would actually end up taking 60mg valium plus the 2mg Xanax. Hopefully it will be "woo woo feel the love!!"

[Poppylvr]

Originally Posted by opiobsessed

If someone is on 20mg valium twice daily and also xanax(only as needed once daily)for panic attacks or fits of rage. The question would be, do the 2 benzo's work okay with each other? also for best effects is it best to take the 20mg(two 10mg)valiums along with the 2mg xanax all at once or is it best to only take the 2mg xanax by itself when needed?

One idea, say if one were to cold turkey quit 190mg methadone 1x daily mmt, would this combo help get one through wd's until they could start on subutex hopefully, or suboxone? or would it not even come close to working unless one waited until they were down to at least 90 or 80mg methadone daily before jumping off methadone?

Depends on what effect you're looking for.
Yes, the 2 are OK together. The valium is very long halflife and will give you a nice baseline to help you stay calm. Then then Xanax on top IF you have a rage issue, would work well.
If you're looking to get a buzz, don't know what would work best. Benzo's just make me nod, yaknowwhatImean?
Re benzo's to try to bridge 190 mg methadone to suboxone - Not gonna work. 190 is a lot of methadone, and you're going to have to wean way down before you can switch over to subs without a problem. The benzos can help a little with the anxiety and restless legs, but won't do much more than that. I have heard you need to be down around 30 mg /day for the switch from methadone to subs...

[opiobsessed]

Another thing I was just thinking about is, what will happen when the day comes and I get down to 30mg methadone and do the switch to subs? since I have not been on suboxone since 2006 does anyone from experience know if the switch will give me that "honeymoon lovely buzz" from subs all over again, because I haven't been on subs for so long or will nothing change much?

Thank god I'm on all the benzo's because I remember when I was titrating up on methadone, 30mg would only last me till 4pm and suddenly BAM!,I started feeling that sad want to cry feeling and things got worse so I'd take some norco 10/500 to get me through the night. But when I do get down to 30mg, do you all think the benzo's I'm on will help with any wd's during the few days I have to be off methadone totally before going on subs? also I was on 3 8mg subs before I went on methadone. Do you all think that's what I would be started on again when I make the switch

[Poppylvr]

Originally Posted by opiobsessed

Another thing I was just thinking about is, what will happen when the day comes and I get down to 30mg methadone and do the switch to subs? since I have not been on suboxone since 2006 does anyone from experience know if the switch will give me that "honeymoon lovely buzz" from subs all over again, because I haven't been on subs for so long or will nothing change much?

Thank god I'm on all the benzo's because I remember when I was titrating up on methadone, 30mg would only last me till 4pm and suddenly BAM!,I started feeling that sad want to cry feeling and things got worse so I'd take some norco 10/500 to get me through the night. But when I do get down to 30mg, do you all think the benzo's I'm on will help with any wd's during the few days I have to be off methadone totally before going on subs? also I was on 3 8mg subs before I went on methadone. Do you all think that's what I would be started on again when I make the switch

Re the honeymoon buzz - impossible to predict. Sub is such a weird drug, it works differently for everyone.
I think your benzos will protect you a little from the WD's but not entirely.
I have no idea what they'll start you on - good question for your sub doc.
Good luck!

[dharma bum]

The two are fine together w/out opiates. Usually one would be fine with that many benzos on an opiate but err on the side of caution.

And every clinic around here will not induce you till you are down to 30 mgs. of methadone.

I'd for sure rather have the benzos for helping of the w/d than not. Anxiety is my worst w/d symptom.

[Seedy]

^^ That and insomnia! i'm always at my worst in the wee hours of the morning just wishing i was asleep or dead.

[gerapa]

Yes, they combine well. Just have in mind that Alprazolam (brand name Xanax) is the benzo w/ the shortest half-life and Diazepam (brand name Valium in the USofA) is the Benzo w/ the longest half-life.
HOWEVER: Benzo withdrawals CAN BE life threatening so the best advice that I can offer is to gfadually decrease your Benzo usage to the point where you are NOT physically dependant on Benzoes. That way you will have a considerable stash to make Methadone-Benzoes parties say once a week/once each ten days.
P.S.: I live in Bulgaria (the latest country to join the EU alongside w/ Romania). My point is that here you can get a white prescription (the one that any doctor can write) for a combo of 3 or four rather inexpensive (not dirt cheap but definitely not expensive) drugs that can take you completely OFF of Your Benzo addiction within a month if not less having in mind that you are not on a high Benzo dose. If aggression is a big issue a bit of neuroleptics and all shall be fine.
I used this method to detox last winter (no neuroleptics as I am not aggressive+ if I get a panic attack it is always manageable. At the time I was taking 240mgs of Methadone and HUGE doses of Rivotril (the European brand name for clonazepame- very similar to Diazepam but it is a bit to moderately stronger when compared to Diazepame on a mg to mg basis). I could barely get by with 20mgs but almost all days I would take 60mgs (personal record: 100mgs) and on top of this I used a medicine to lower my blood pressure before drinkink my Methadone.
Good luck and greetings from sunny BULGARIA, the country that gave the world the Cyrilic alphabet.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Hey Gerapa- the OP, Opiobeseesed has been opinomo
meaning he's been kick off here- had a fit of rage it seems?
forgot his benzos -

just a heads up- thread is a bit old