Kickin' Methadone as quick as possible

[harryhood2001]

Hey opies, after lurking the today's posts of this website for over a year and not being able to register, it is really nice to be able to contribute my experience and get advice on different things. This is my current problem. During the year I was lurking this site swim was strung out on heroin, well against my best judgment I went back on MMT for the 4th or 5th time. It was worse to kick each time. Well I know I dont want to have another 3 years fly by like it does when your on MMT. I want to Kick as quick as possible. So tell me is this my best option. 1st get back on short acting agonist(Heroin, maybe oxy)for about two weeks. 2nd. take my last few suboxone over the period of a full week, starting small, add on a couple mgs each day for thee days, peak at day 4. Then taper down the next 4 days, all while attending AA, NA. Not that I really have EVER been able to grasp the program entirely and after reading the orangepapers, I really had contempt for it, but it will help get through the kick. I would SO appreciate any feedback as this is the first post I have made since becoming a new member. Thanx everyone, and try not to nod out and burn another whole in your new pants, shorts, or underware, or god forbid like I did your penis.

Harryhood2001

[bronyraur]

There's no free lunch...but I'm sure you know that.

I wouldn't recommend the short-acting agonist route, it would be too tempting for me to just keep taking the oxy or dope.

I'd say taper down as low as you can go on done, and then jump off altogether.

[nick]

Fastest way is stop taking drugs now.

Of course fastest doesn't mean it's likely to be successful.

[harryhood2001]

I see your point as far as taking the short acting opies, might keep me taking them, but I feel like I would stay the course. I have done the slow taper and it just seems like such a long drawn out kick, because every time I go down I feel like I am going cold turkey. Which says to me if your going to kick, just GO cold turkey. I knew I was making a mistake going back on MMT, but swim finally caught a case and was traveling 2 hours to and 2 hours from just to cop for the day. EVERYDAY. ISNT THAT INSANE!!! But swim did it and is baffled how he managed to do it for over a year. However swim new the law of averages were catching up with him and it was just a matter of time before swim got pulled over and got popped while out on bail. So he thoght that was his only answer. Swim has kicked Methadone before and thinks that people make worse than it really is, even though it is VERY uncomfortable and TAKES FOREVER. I just feel like swims best bet is to stabalize on short acting opies and them do a week long sub taper.

[SHELLEY]

Originally Posted by nick

Fastest way is stop taking drugs now.

Of course fastest doesn't mean it's likely to be successful.

what he said

actually, what worked for me was dropping 10mg every 3 days,
then when i got to 40mg i dropped 5mg every 3 days
then dropped off to nothing after 3 days on 10mg
took about a month, i ws coming off 100mg, haven't used any opis since then
it's not quick like it would to just stop taking the shit of course
but starting to use oxys or heroin is a bad idea, you won't taper, no one i know would taper off their DOC
you'd keep doing it then do more and more and then you'd end up right back where ya started
taper off the done, which is maintenance and no fun at all
that's my suggestion at least

[hydro chris]

Originally Posted by SHELLEY

what he said

actually, what worked for me was dropping 10mg every 3 days,
then when i got to 40mg i dropped 5mg every 3 days
then dropped off to nothing after 3 days on 10mg
took about a month, i ws coming off 100mg, haven't used any opis since then
it's not quick like it would to just stop taking the shit of course
but starting to use oxys or heroin is a bad idea, you won't taper, no one i know would taper off their DOC
you'd keep doing it then do more and more and then you'd end up right back where ya started
taper off the done, which is maintenance and no fun at all
that's my suggestion at least

so you came of 100 mgs in a month..danm
did you have any w/d symptoms?

op..there is no fast way..came of 120 mgs c/t took me 6 horrible months

[SuzieMeyers]

Same here, tried to register for a long ass time, so excited to be here! I would definetly try to taper off the dones. Still prob gonna be a bitch but I know for me, atleast, if I go back to dope, I stay there until I'm shoved back into rehab. Good Luck!

[SHELLEY]

Originally Posted by hydro chris

so you came of 100 mgs in a month..danm
did you have any w/d symptoms?

op..there is no fast way..came of 120 mgs c/t took me 6 horrible months

there is a fast way, i did it and just posted about it
a FAST taper instead of a slow gradual streeeeeeeeetched out taper or c/t which hurts like hell

i was pretty sick after i got past 30mg, it hurt, but i knew once it was over it'd be over

[hydro chris]

Originally Posted by SHELLEY

there is a fast way, i did it and just posted about it
a FAST taper instead of a slow gradual streeeeeeeeetched out taper or c/t which hurts like hell

i was pretty sick after i got past 30mg, it hurt, but i knew once it was over it'd be over

how long did you feel sick after you dropped zero

[SHELLEY]

Originally Posted by hydro chris

how long did you feel sick after you dropped zero

less than a week
weed helped

[harryhood2001]

Shelly, Iwasnt talkin using my DOC to taper, but to use short acting opies such as heroin for a couple weeks, then use the subs to taper over a week. I have heard that this works. I have kick methadone several times and I have always done it like you. I couldnt stand the drawn out kick, that hurt anyway, so I figure get it over with.

[HighOctane]

Originally Posted by hydro chris

so you came of 100 mgs in a month..danm
did you have any w/d symptoms?

op..there is no fast way..came of 120 mgs c/t took me 6 horrible months

I went from 130 (18 mos) to 20 in a month, dropping every 3 days like Shelley, "against medical advice" bc I just was so sick of the clinic life, the other patients, the doc, counselor, staff.

When I got below 90 mg I started to feel on edge and achy. Under 50 and the sleep started to go. Then from 20, I was anxious and achy and didn't sleep for 4-5 days.

The good news, from my experience is this: it's not as intensely miserable as h withdrawal. I was iv about .8 to 1g a day, decent powder, and I couldn't ct or manage a taper. When I fucked up and missed my takehome for a 3 day weekend when I was at 130, it was about 2/3rds as bad as heroin wds. But with the taper... I won't lie, it wasn't great but time passed. I didn't sleep at all for 5 days. I had some insomnia for six to eight weeks. But I wasn't vomiting, no diarrhea etc. No screaming agony. Maybe a bit of the twitch, plus the sex drive return.

Its not fun, but don't let yourself get intimidated. It's doable. And after you start sleeping again, there's a day when you get up at 10 am and realize you don't need to think about the clinic and lines and pisstests, counselors, etc. It's really the free-est feeling I ever had. And with an aggressive taper, you can jump off, just don't spend time with friends who are use dope or even go to the clinic. That feeling of freedom is real and justifies everything.

The worst part is the insomnia. But it goes away. I took a lot of baths at 3am and read a lot and watched a ton of movies.

[OpiateQueen]

Originally Posted by HighOctane

I went from 130 (18 mos) to 20 in a month, dropping every 3 days like Shelley, "against medical advice" bc I just was so sick of the clinic life, the other patients, the doc, counselor, staff.

When I got below 90 mg I started to feel on edge and achy. Under 50 and the sleep started to go. Then from 20, I was anxious and achy and didn't sleep for 4-5 days.

The good news, from my experience is this: it's not as intensely miserable as h withdrawal. I was iv about .8 to 1g a day, decent powder, and I couldn't ct or manage a taper. When I fucked up and missed my takehome for a 3 day weekend when I was at 130, it was about 2/3rds as bad as heroin wds. But with the taper... I won't lie, it wasn't great but time passed. I didn't sleep at all for 5 days. I had some insomnia for six to eight weeks. But I wasn't vomiting, no diarrhea etc. No screaming agony. Maybe a bit of the twitch, plus the sex drive return.

Its not fun, but don't let yourself get intimidated. It's doable. And after you start sleeping again, there's a day when you get up at 10 am and realize you don't need to think about the clinic and lines and pisstests, counselors, etc. It's really the free-est feeling I ever had. And with an aggressive taper, you can jump off, just don't spend time with friends who are use dope or even go to the clinic. That feeling of freedom is real and justifies everything.

The worst part is the insomnia. But it goes away. I took a lot of baths at 3am and read a lot and watched a ton of movies.

wow cool that makes me feel abit better about it. I'm dropping 10mg a week at the moment from 260mgs...
OP if i were u i would think about staying on 'done...i dunno, sounds like you're not really done with the dope scene. If you are then i would DEF NOT introduce heroin or oxys into your planned detox/rehab/ whatever u call it attempt. It might work in theory but NEVER works in practice and is just so obviously a way to justify using ones beloved DOC again, IMO anyways... you've done it 4 times before u say - were any of those without the use of Heroin or similar? And how long have u been onthe deathadone this time aound??

[RifRaf]

I went from 60mg's to 10mg's in 12 days and then jumped. Had withdrawals for abour 19 days, or at least that is when I was able to sleep for a few hours and hold down food and actually got out of my house. I hate kicking Methadone. Good luck.

[GOLD N DIEMONDS]

Originally Posted by harryhood2001

Shelly, Iwasnt talkin using my DOC to taper, but to use short acting opies such as heroin for a couple weeks, then use the subs to taper over a week. I have heard that this works. I have kick methadone several times and I have always done it like you. I couldnt stand the drawn out kick, that hurt anyway, so I figure get it over with.

TAPERING with short acting opies in theory will work
BUT DO NOT USE HERION/ 2WEEKS ON HERION u will have a full blown habit
plus it stronger varies way too much and is just to pleasurable

Much better to use low dose Oxy, swallowed not eat for a week or two cutting dose by 1/3 evry 3 days. swith to something like Vics to contuine taper repeat 1/3 cycle . then jump from there.
Personal I would not fuck with subs to taper, just adds to much shit into the mix and would very likely end up stuck on subs.

BUT yeah - it the giant cluster fuck of after you jump if you get there. What is it that will be different this time that is going to keep you clean?

AGREE WITH OPIATEQUEEN - you may not be ready for the clean life yet
may be better to be stabile on lowest dse of Methadone during which time get your shit in order and give life a good hard look at.

Clean is nice I guess, but also pretty fucking boring- once one has opened Pandora box.