Dodging Bullets

[zombiewoof23]

Seems like that cloud has been over a bunch of us lately. There's only one way to go, I refuse to go down. I noticed I dodged a major bullet here in my hometown recently after reading the local newspaper tonight. I still have my sixth sense. Another friend of mine won't be coming back, unless he gets a good attorney that donated money to our judges campaign.

I pulled up to this kids house 5 or 6 days ago and noticed a male and a female neighbor in their early 20's across the street that had their eye on me and they both had the same stupid ass smirk, like they knew something that I didn't. Just as I got out of the car, what appeared to be the mother in the household came out of the house with the look on her face that said "what, more action over there?" All eyes were on me. The male immediately picks up his cell phone and makes a call, while the 3 of them continue to stare. I decided to casually leave the scene and not return because I felt that the house was being watched and that the local LEO had prlly told the neighbors to keep tabs on the house, based on their reaction to my presence.

I came home and told my wife about the neighbors and told her of my suspicions that this kid was going down soon. He got raided by county on March 29th and charged with 2 felony counts of possession, and a felony count of resisting/interfering with arrest for a felony. I went to high school with him and I just sent him some business, since his line of work is directly related to mine, and we hooked back up. He invited me over to his house while we were working and we traded some music.

Since I have a family and a business to run, I can't just go and hang out at friend's houses all of the time at random anymore. I tried to go by twice after that, and neither time he would answer. I'm pretty sure he was cooking and was paranoid about my presence since I don't fit the profile anymore and he doesn't know my background, so he didn't answer the door. That last time was when I noticed the overly excited neighbors and decided not to go back there. I didn't have time to warn him, and knew better than to give him a call on his cell. It was too late any way.

His mom and grandmother are two of my main competitors and I am actually pretty close with them. Fucking sucks to see him go down. I know he's shitting himself in a cell right now and hating life. He was actually a good kid, just got too deep into the game for a small town. We have wanted to hang out together and party for about a year now, and since both of our business's are in competition we were both kind of leery of each other, but recently starting to get closer again, like we were back in high school. I'm glad I trusted my instincts on this one, and I wasn't over there when it went down, but I also feel bad for him and his family right now.

[zombiewoof23]

I just checked out the docket entries online. Sure enough the first entry was "complaint." Then warrant issued and of course warrant served. Fucking walker texas ranger wannabe neighbors

I've been stuck in my work, but at the same time have been fighting addiction pretty hard lately. I've kept a low profile in town and haven't really looked for any drugs or hookups since I moved back to MO four years ago. When I hooked up with this kid recently, I knew he was pretty deep into the game and I could prlly get whatever I wanted. We talked a little bit about drugs and he said his thing was oxy, mscontin and meth. Of course the wheels started spinning in my head and I wanted in. We never did really hang out, besides when we were doing business. I could tell he was into booting his shit, and I know he didn't want me seeing that, so I think he avoided me not realizing that I've been around a few junkies not so long ago.

Those neighbors scared the piss out of me and it turned out to be an eye opener. It fucking sucks seeing another POW. He got popped for manufacturing/attempt to distribute meth back in 97 and assault on a police officer in 98. Looks like he's prlly going back to the can for quite awhile with that record. I think I'll continue to keep my addiction to myself in this town. Damn I'm glad I didn't press it.

[WarmCyanide]

check your PMs

[zombiewoof23]

Thanks WC. I think his grandma and mom wanted me to start hanging out with him, because I appear to have my head on straight. I've always been into drugs and do whatever is around, but have calmed it down and kept it quiet since I moved here. I just causally messed with opiates when I was in the game. My thing was always psychedelics, cocaine, and of course lots of pot which doesn't count in my book.

I still recall when I first came on this site over a year ago I was asking questions about codeine. That quickly turned into pods, then oxy, then morphine, then at the beginning of January, a week of heroin. After a week of heroin and watching all of my emotion disappear, I decided to take it easy on the opiates. They are still burned in my brain, but I've steered clear. The only emotion that it didn't take away was guilt. It was impossible to look at my wife and son while I was fucking around with that shit. Cocaine leaves my brain within a couple of days. Opiates have yet to loosen their grip.

I've taken my family for granted too much in the past year, and my wife has been way beyond understanding. Of course she doesn't know about the my opiate use past the pods. I gave that away with all of the shit laying around for tea and waking up one night with my t-shirt all bloody after scratching the shit out of myself all night. Couldn't really play off the question, "Uh, why is your t-shirt all bloody?" She did just recently ask me what happened to her hydrocodone script that she got after her C-section 8 months ago. Um, that was gone a few days after she got it. Fucking hydro. Anyways, I've been focused on work and my family as of late, but came so close to slipping up this week.

[HeidiW]

Thank got them bullets you dodged didn't hit you.... Always trust your gut zombiewoof, the gut NEVER lies. I believe you've told me that a time or too

[Somanax]

go with your gut no one else will post bond !!! keep on ducking for your own self preservation look out for you and yours I have and it does count!!!!

[zombiewoof23]

Thank got them bullets you dodged didn't hit you.... Always trust your gut zombiewoof, the gut NEVER lies. I believe you've told me that a time or too

I'm usually right on in situations like these. I hope everything is going better your way.

[zombiewoof23]

go with your gut no one else will post bond !!! keep on ducking for your own self preservation look out for you and yours I have and it does count!!!!

It does count, because you never know how somebody is going to react when their back is against the wall. I found this in the docket entries from 97 last night as well:

STATE RECOMMENDS 8 YEARS IN DOC ON COUNT I; COUNT II IS DISMISSSED. COURT TO RETAIN JURISDICTION UNDER 559.115 AND TO FOLLOW RECOMMENDATION OF DOC REGARDING PROBATION; IF PROBA- TION IS GRANTED AFTER 120 DAYS, DEFENDANT WILL HAVE SPECIAL CONDITION THAT HE TESTIFY AGAINST CO-DEFENDANTS

Public record is kinda like watching Cops on TV

[Somanax]

as for public records they are forever ,seen to many motions of discovery to not believe that however you generally know who put the statement on you .All you can do is shut up and pay your lawyer ,or take the old state sponsored vacation and always play hushmouth so you can live with your own concience

[nick]

Hey ZW,why didn't you walk up this guy's drive,ring his doorbell,warn him then split.

Too late!! It is for him.

Sorry and I'm sure there's a logical answer,but leaving and not warning him....well sucks.

As I say sorry,but I've spent too much time sick in cells to dig this.......but I'm SURE you have a good answer.

Whatever gets you through the night.......right?

[zombiewoof23]

Hey ZW,why didn't you walk up this guy's drive,ring his doorbell,warn him then split.

Too late!! It is for him.

Sorry and I'm sure there's a logical answer,but leaving and not warning him....well sucks.

As I say sorry,but I've spent too much time sick in cells to dig this.......but I'm SURE you have a good answer.

Whatever gets you through the night.......right?

I knocked on the door and watched them peek through the blinds. Then some tweaker looking girl answers the door. I ask for my buddy and she says she is waiting on him to get back too. His truck was in the driveway, so I'm pretty sure they were in there doing something they didn't want me to see. Who knows with tweakers? He has know idea about any drugs or experience I have in the game, other than pot, because I've always been leery of getting back into the drug scene in this town and also because he is my #1 competitor's grandson. My business is highly competitive and mixing business with drugs would not be very wise at all. The only time I've ever spoken to him on his cell phone was regarding business. I didn't feel comfortable going back over there, nor contacting him on his cell phone after that because I have a family and a business to protect. Plus he would've most likely written it off as paranoia, unless he's already had contact with those neighbors. I guarantee the neighbor was giving my vehicle description and license plate number to county, so that was it for me for that scene.

He is never in the office anymore, so contacting him that way is impossible. He hasn't been active in the business for awhile, but I sent him mine anyway because I knew he'd take care of me. It all happened very quickly, there wasn't anything I could've done, besides contact his mom. And there again, I'm just going off of instinct, observation and experience. He wouldve been pissed for me calling her, she wouldve written it off and questioned me being over there, which is dangerous for me in my business. Considering its a small town, I'm a professional, the raid happened within a day or two after that, and this kid wasn't necassarily low profile when I knew him before......I just couldn't take any risk. The best choice was to leave the situation and hope that my instincts were wrong. I could get my business license yanked by the state in a second if I took any stupid risks like that. I almost did, and almost paid. Not worth the risk my friend and it happened too fast. Trust me, if I had any way to get a hold of him and not risk myself, I would've done so and that still wouldn't have stopped what happened.

[nick]

I knocked on the door and watched them peek through the blinds. Then some tweaker looking girl answers the door. I ask for my buddy and she says she is waiting on him to get back too. His truck was in the driveway, so I'm pretty sure they were in there doing something they didn't want me to see. Who knows with tweakers? He has know idea about any drugs or experience I have in the game, other than pot, because I've always been leery of getting back into the drug scene in this town and also because he is my #1 competitor's grandson. My business is highly competitive and mixing business with drugs would not be very wise at all. The only time I've ever spoken to him on his cell phone was regarding business. I didn't feel comfortable going back over there, nor contacting him on his cell phone after that because I have a family and a business to protect. Plus he would've most likely written it off as paranoia, unless he's already had contact with those neighbors. I guarantee the neighbor was giving my vehicle description and license plate number to county, so that was it for me for that scene.

He is never in the office anymore, so contacting him that way is impossible. He hasn't been active in the business for awhile, but I sent him mine anyway because I knew he'd take care of me. It all happened very quickly, there wasn't anything I could've done, besides contact his mom. And there again, I'm just going off of instinct, observation and experience. He wouldve been pissed for me calling her, she wouldve written it off and questioned me being over there, which is dangerous for me in my business. Considering its a small town, I'm a professional, the raid happened within a day or two after that, and this kid wasn't necassarily low profile when I knew him before......I just couldn't take any risk. The best choice was to leave the situation and hope that my instincts were wrong. I could get my business license yanked by the state in a second if I took any stupid risks like that. I almost did, and almost paid. Not worth the risk my friend and it happened too fast. Trust me, if I had any way to get a hold of him and not risk myself, I would've done so and that still wouldn't have stopped what happened.

Look bro,this isn't a moral criticism(as I say,whatever gets you through the night),but(there's always a BUT) I've spent too much time in the cells.

Nothing else to say-I'm not judging you bro.

[kyuss]

I'm glad
you didn't
get pinched,ZW
but I think I would have
gone to a payphone
and warned the guy.
After all you were willing
to try to buy from him
and then you would have
been singing his praises.
But,you do what you do.
I can't begin throwing rocks
looking out of this glass house

[nick]

I'm glad
you didn't
get pinched,ZW
but I think I would have
gone to a payphone
and warned the guy.
After all you were willing
to try to buy from him
and then you would have
been singing his praises.
But,you do what you do.
I can't begin throwing rocks
looking out of this glass house

Fuck glass houses.This is wrong,but as I say,whatever you tell yourself.we ALL compartmentalise and rationalise our lives.

Sorry,but it's one of those days.I'm accepting my limitations-so everyone else has to-I'm kinda petty like that.

Sorry

[zombiewoof23]

I'm glad
you didn't
get pinched,ZW
but I think I would have
gone to a payphone
and warned the guy.
After all you were willing
to try to buy from him
and then you would have
been singing his praises.
But,you do what you do.
I can't begin throwing rocks
looking out of this glass house

It wouldn't have mattered if I had gotten a hold of him or not. It happened too quickly. The warrant was prlly already signed at that point, or within 24 hours of being signed. I guarantee a call based on a hunch wouldn't have done any good anyway, even if he had more time. He is ultimately responsible for his own actions. I'm not the one that drew the attention of the law to begin with. Bottomline is that it was too late for a warning from anybody. Also, even if I had definitive evidence that he was going to get raided, and I ended up calling him to warn him, I couldve gotten hit too for interferring with an arrest/investigation. I don't need that either. I feel for the kid, but I can't put my family or livelyhood at risk like that. It was a poor choice to go over there to begin with and it almost cost my family.

[nick]

It wouldn't have mattered if I had gotten a hold of him or not. It happened too quickly. The warrant was prlly already signed at that point, or within 24 hours of being signed. I guarantee a call based on a hunch wouldn't have done any good anyway, even if he had more time. He is ultimately responsible for his own actions. I'm not the one that drew the attention of the law to begin with. Bottomline is that it was too late for a warning from anybody. Also, even if I had definitive evidence that he was going to get raided, and I ended up calling him to warn him, I couldve gotten hit too for interferring with an arrest/investigation. I don't need that either. I feel for the kid, but I can't put my family or livelyhood at risk like that. It was a poor choice to go over there to begin with and it almost cost my family.

Oh man please.


You can cut it any way you want,but I'm far,far from impressed.

Nothing worse than being locked up-NOTHING.


As I say,we all rationalise our actions-otherwise non of us would sleep at night.

I apologise because it's been a bad day for me(bad life actually) and I'm not getting on your case.

Sorry bro.......I suck-pay no attention.

[zombiewoof23]

Oh man please.


You can cut it any way you want,but I'm far,far from impressed.

Nothing worse than being locked up-NOTHING.


As I say,we all rationalise our actions-otherwise non of us would sleep at night.

I apologise because it's been a bad day for me(bad life actually) and I'm not getting on your case.

Sorry bro.......I suck-pay no attention.

No apology necassary. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I checked my calls on my phone bill. I was over there exactly 1 day before, so figure the time period being 24 hours or less. Would you be more impressed if I was rationalizing my actions to my wife, my broker and the rest of my family from a jail cell instead. I admit that it was irresponsible to attempt to go over there to begin with. Do I owe a responsibility to my family or this kid first? A call from me would not have changed the outcome at that point, it only would have put me on the radar, most likely landed me in jail too, and destroyed my livelyhood, which would have destroyed my family. What action would you have taken instead that would have provided a different outcome?

[nick]

No apology necassary. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I checked my calls on my phone bill. I was over there exactly 1 day before, so figure the time period being 24 hours or less. Would you be more impressed if I was rationalizing my actions to my wife, my broker and the rest of my family from a jail cell instead. I admit that it was irresponsible to attempt to go over there to begin with. Do I owe a responsibility to my family or this kid first? A call from me would not have changed the outcome at that point, it only would have put me on the radar, most likely landed me in jail too, and destroyed my livelyhood, which would have destroyed my family. What action would you have taken instead that would have provided a different outcome?

I'd have warned him by ANY means necessary.Then it's up to him.24 hours would have given him a LOT of options.

and why would warning him have caused you legal problems?


Still all sounds like guit and rationalisation to me,but that's cool we ALL do it-apart from me,I'm perfect.

[In The Wind]

Well whatever ZW, Sounds to me like you've got your priorities right in line. You've got to protect you and yours first, then spread it around.

[zombiewoof23]

I'd have warned him by ANY means necessary.Then it's up to him.24 hours would have given him a LOT of options.

and why would warning him have caused you legal problems?


Still all sounds like guit and rationalisation to me,but that's cool we ALL do it-apart from me,I'm perfect.

Okay so I now know what you would have done. Now put yourself in his shoes and answer this, given this scenario: I come to you and say that I noticed some overly excited neighbors looking in his direction and I have a bad feeling about it. Now in his shoes, how do you react to somebody telling you that they have a bad feeling?

The reason why our argument is so flimsy is because we are basing everything on assumptions. I have not been convinced that the decisions that I've made led to his arrest or that any of my actions could have helped him avoid the inevitable, therefore I feel no guilt for it. The only guilt that I feel is for almost fucking up my family by pursuing drugs.

This is the first time in a long time that I've seen my life flash before my eyes, and the decision that I made to stop pursuing drugs from a person who was selling drugs most likely kept a bunch of innocent ppl that I care about out of harm's way. I have always made it a policy to not hang around people that continue to make poor decisions to draw the attention of the law. Those decisions combined with a little bit of luck have kept me from experiencing the penal system. Hindsight is always 20/20 and I'd much rather be saying that where I'm sitting now, instead of behind bars and trying to figure out what to do with my family and business. I'm not interested at all in generalized opinions without providing any answers. I know I made the correct decision.

The facts are:
1. I had no evidence that something was going to occur with the exception of noticing some excited neighbors.

2. His lifestyle and poor decisions are what drew the attention of the law and got him arrested, not mine.

3. After the arrest and after reading the docket entries, the warrant was a warrant for an arrest, not a search warrant.

4. And to answer your last question. Missouri's Revised Statutes state that: Resisting or interfering with an arrest for a felony is a class D felony.

[nick]

Okay so I now know what you would have done. Now put yourself in his shoes and answer this, given this scenario: I come to you and say that I noticed some overly excited neighbors looking in his direction and I have a bad feeling about it. Now in his shoes, how do you react to somebody telling you that they have a bad feeling?

The reason why our argument is so flimsy is because we are basing everything on assumptions. I have not been convinced that the decisions that I've made led to his arrest or that any of my actions could have helped him avoid the inevitable, therefore I feel no guilt for it. The only guilt that I feel is for almost fucking up my family by pursuing drugs.

This is the first time in a long time that I've seen my life flash before my eyes, and the decision that I made to stop pursuing drugs from a person who was selling drugs most likely kept a bunch of innocent ppl that I care about out of harm's way. I have always made it a policy to not hang around people that continue to make poor decisions to draw the attention of the law. Those decisions combined with a little bit of luck have kept me from experiencing the penal system. Hindsight is always 20/20 and I'd much rather be saying that where I'm sitting now, instead of behind bars and trying to figure out what to do with my family and business. I'm not interested at all in generalized opinions without providing any answers. I know I made the correct decision.

The facts are:
1. I had no evidence that something was going to occur with the exception of noticing some excited neighbors.

2. His lifestyle and poor decisions are what drew the attention of the law and got him arrested, not mine.

3. After the arrest and after reading the docket entries, the warrant was a warrant for an arrest, not a search warrant.

4. And to answer your last question. Missouri's Revised Statutes state that: Resisting or interfering with an arrest for a felony is a class D felony.

Sorry bro,but me thinks you do protest TOO much....who are you trying to convince me or YOU.


Read the whole thread again.

[zombiewoof23]

Sorry bro,but me thinks you do protest TOO much....who are you trying to convince me or YOU.


Read the whole thread again.

Fair enough my friend.