i want to get off oxy!!!!

[givemesomefuckingsmack]

so i have gotten a good connect on oxy and have been snorting and eating about 4 40mg crushed pills a day for like 2 months. I dont do it to get high or to catch a nod anymore i just do it to not feel sick, i have 18 left i want to get off and i think i should step down, with the last 18 i have been off them for no more than 24 hours and i felt sick as a dog. Someone help with a step down program to get off oxy, i dont really enjoy it all the magic is gone and it does nothing to me just makes me feel normal. Please help me!

[red26]

Dude just slowly decrease your dosing.Easiest way to do it plain and simple. I recently had to do the same with benzos, I've done it with methadone, hydros, oxys, cold turkeyd' coke, slowly decreased a bunch of different dope at different times. Like you said "a STEP DOWN program". You will go through some W.D. but decreasing your dose starting today, take the same tomorrow, decrease again, and so on and so on till all you need is a small bump in the morning . Stay away from the M.M.T.. It'll just dig you in deeper than before and it's 10# harder to kick. IMPORTANT: Stay active and eat right. Take your vitamins, dark chocolate helps with your blood and heart. You WILL get through it if you keep your goal in sight. After your done you'll probably feel emotionally amiss, physically drained, and just plain old shitty for a while but if take care of yourself while going through this it will be minimal compared to if you didnt. Good luck and props to ya for taking a step in the right direction for yourself. Theres a reason you want to quit, just dont forget it on those hard days.

[COLONELWAYNE]

Hey smack, I've been going through the shit your talking about doing for about the last 2 months with the same little brown devils. Red pretty much summed it up and there's not really much I can add. You've just got to be serious about wanting to get clean because no amount of detoxing,cutting back,or eating right is gonna do any good if your hearts not in it.You also have to come to terms that sooner or later those 18 are going to be gone and you ARE going to feel like shit for awhile because withdrawals are inevitable. If those things weren't,it would be a walk in the park to get off anything you know.I did the amount you are doing now for about 4 years and let me tell you,after I stopped, it took about 4 or 5 days for the withdrawals to kick in full force then it was about 7 more days of hell. Felt like the worst case of flu I'd ever had. But after that, it's all in your head from then on out. You'll start to feel a little better each day but your still gonna think about using so you gotta be hard headed and say "This things not gonna beat me" and don't let it! Gotta go for now,If I can help in any way, P.M. me or something. Later.........The Col.

[givemesomefuckingsmack]

thanks for all your guys info. Yesterday i cut back to instead of 4 40mg to 3 40mg, missing my before bed dose. I woke up at 6am sick as fuck body aches running nose, sweaty, typical withdrawl symptoms. I tried to make it as long as possible before i did my morning dose. I made it through the drive to work, I went to work with 2 40 mg in my pocket snorted about half a pill roughly 20mg in the bathroom about an hour ago, i was killed by excruciating pains and gave in about 10am, so today im gonna try to only do 2 and stick with that for a couple days then drop to 1 and a half. Does anyone actually recommend eating them whole since the are time release just eat one in the morning and have oxycondone all day?? thanks fo all your input. I really trying to dig myself out of this hole i am in.
Peace out
Mr. Smack

[chucky]

Mr. Smack,
While weening yourself off the oxy's is a great plan and I hope you stick with it, the hardest part for most is dealing with life long after withdrawl symptoms have ceased. In other words, after you have lowered your dose and finally gotten to the point where you no longer are using, prepare yourself for the real battle. The battle of depression and boredom, this my friend is one of the true test of your want and will to get clean and stop being a slave to the drug. This can last for months or weeks depending on how long you have been getting high, my suggestions for this would be to get some hobbies, dive into work, start exercising. I would also highly recommend that you stop hanging out with any friends that are still using as they will just bring you back down to their level. I'm not saying these people are bad or fucked up, just that people,places, and things will send you back down that spiral that you are fighing hard to get out of right now.The Colonel and red26 have made valid and great points, listen to them,there recommendations are right and you will do well if you listen.I thought I would get you ready for the battle after withdrawl.

Good luck, fight hard and strong and you will beat this enslaver we call opiates.Any ? or problems feel free to ask me for help or advice.
Ciao:cool:

[Buckshot]

Also remember that when tapering a little oxy is MUCH better than none at all. Try to make the last two 40's last 4 days @ 20mg's per day in the evening.
After 4 days of 20mgs /day your body has made a major adjustment and the WD's are way less severe.

Also drink tons of water, and get some rest. Multi vitamens help and load up on the Vit C.
Sleeping pills when you cant sleep, and DXM in small doses will help too. Also use Asprin or ibuprophen when needed for headaches. And benedryl can be used as a sleep aid or to relieve some anxiety. Avoid pot/caffine/sugar. And all stimulants in general. Excercise helps. LOPERMIDE!!!

PS remember to have sex, or jerk off, you'll know you are basicly 100% when you dont cum in 6 seconds.

[givemesomefuckingsmack]

damn i thought the pot would soften the withdrawl blow, im not been a big stimulants fan. I have been taking a multivitiman, and vitaman c alot. I havent had too much of an appetite this whole 2 months i really lost about 25 pounds and i have been excersising alot. And while on oxy i cant cum or get too hard. Even 10+ hours after my last hit of oxy. I can get valuims the 10mg blue ones and take one once in a while when i cant sleep. After i adjust to life after oxy i am leaving a few friends and few miles and not touch no narcotics maybe even check into NA. As for the boring part, of life after oxy. My life is not boring im a touring musician, and being on stage should make me high enough i have concluded. Thanks everyone for your help. Btw im down to 2 oxy a day i just finished my first one at lunch.

[red26]

SomethingI've discovered lately to help with tapering is to take your dope, solulate it inot a nasal sprayer and when the jones is coming on too strong blasta few in each hole and help hcase the bad man away. I know I've said this before, but it really does work. For me , this is the type of thing I would use to help finalize my active addiction. Just add alittle salt to make it somewhat of a dope/saline solution to keep the burn down. But sometimes the best way to do it is just to cold turkey. Good luck brother and I'm in you corner if you need to talk.

[peacefulwarrior]

Can anyone here testify that the horrible depression does go away? Im on day 4 of my detox and have been receiving a lot of support from the colonel but just would like to hear all of your words. Im so worried that i've done something permanent and wish I could know how long it would take to start feeling pleasure and motivation. Any comments would help me greatly...im a fuckin wreck right now just trying to find out how to live in the world again. even TV and music hurts my ears and my nerves are shot.

[Buckshot]

I can assure you the depression goes away. If you were using oxy it goes away even quicker than somehing with a long half-life like methadone or pods.

In a few days your brain will start producing chemicals that make you happy, but since your still adjusting it comes and goes for awhile. Then you notice that it comes more than it goes. Then you notice you are only depressed a few hours per day until finally you are better.

But when those changes first take place, (at least for me) I'll be feeling down, and something like a good song will play and suddenly a rush of euphoria kicks in, and becuase Im not used to this, it makes my hair stand on end, and gives me goose bumps. One of the best parts about kicking dope is rush you get when your body starts adjusting. I think things to myself like "Yeah I'm in control, I can beat withdrawls! And I am capable of amazing things!" Then this usually gives me flase confidence I need to start using dope again...hah.

Anyone else get a rush of euphoria after they finish the major part of withdrawls? Like say day 5?

[peacefulwarrior]

God bless you buckshot...your words litterally gave me a quick sigh of relief. Ill just keep holding on although it doesnt seem to be letting up. Thank you friends for your support. I dont even know any of you yet your help is what is literally saving my life.

Ill keep you posted

[givemesomefuckingsmack]

basically it ive gotten it down to feel like im lightly withdrawling all day, on one 40mg of oxy in a nasal sprayer, yeah i went to walgreens and picked one up and some ocean mist salt solution and a 40mg oxy and motal and pesteled it till it looked like some fine colombiana uncut yeyo mixed with the ocean mist and put it in to the afrin bottle. I diluted it pretty good so there is alot to be sprayed and having been spraying all day long and it feels like a light withdrawl with worst symptoms being body aches, but i cant tell if the body aches are from wd or my new found intrest in excersise, i gave my abs a great work out yesterday, and have been hitting a heavy bag non stop for cardio and something to take the aggression of wd out. i got 8 more pills i will do this for 4 more days and then cut it in half and then in half agian till im out of my supply and then switch to a taper of hydro which by the way has no effect on me but soothing wd symptoms and then stay free from Opiates for a while, save my money for a mini itx computer for my car and a lcd touchsceen in dash to control it and a new paint job, the sad thing is that with the money ive spent on oxy and other opies, i could have, doing all the labor myself turned my camaro into a show car by now.

[COLONELWAYNE]

Tell me about it smack! I think if I had all the money back I (LITERALLY) have pissed down the toilet and still know what I know now,I'd be too damn busy enjoying my new found wealth to even notice that void in my life the dope seemed to fill! Why is it that the three most enjoyable things I can think of (with the exception of my kids) turn on us and wind up making us miserable in the end? Im' referring to: 1.WOMEN! ( noticed I put it first?) You spend your whole life trying to please'em while they spend their whole life making sure you do! (LOL!) 2.MEDICATION!:affordable trip to euphoria in the beginning;several HUNDRED dollars a week commute on the devils expressway to hell near the end! 3. MONEY:The more we have the more we spend,the more we spend the more we gotta make to offset the cost of the chemicals needed to maintain the stamina needed to continue working 80 hours a week to maintain the addiction that started out as a way to relax and unwind from the 40 hour week! (WHEW!!!!! thought I'd never reach the end of THAT one!....HA!HA!) Anyway, I feel better ( f having gotten rid of all that hot air! lol) ...........Peace Out Everybody, until next time, The Col...............................................

[paesan]

LOL!!!!! Holy shit bro, that's fucking hilarious. And every fucking bit is 100% true. I make more money than I ever have, and I've never been so broke in my life!!!!

[Buckshot]

Nice to hear someone relate about the work thing. Dope helps me work overtime, to help me buy more dope, to help me stay late and work overtime, to earn more, so I can get high, to give me energy for work, and like we dont know how the story ends.

Funny how it seems (for me at least) that when I didnt make as much, I was still getting high as often. Maybe because of the debts we built up when we werent earning as much. Maybe thats why I dont have a crdit card anymore...

Theres a thread at poppies.org called "You might ba an addict when," and its in the spirit of "you might be a redneck when". One says something like "When you need to scrape the burned carbon from the bottom of a dirty spoon to eat some ice-cream, you might be an addict"

If you really want to quit though, one serious tip. Stop surfing sites like this, they really don't help someone think about other things.

Buckshot

[paesan]

Funny how it seems (for me at least) that when I didnt make as much, I was still getting high as often. Maybe because of the debts we built up when we werent earning as much. Maybe thats why I dont have a crdit card anymore...
Buckshot

Yep that's my problem. I am continuously paying off debts by going into more debt, and then paying those debts with other debts, and then getting high with the debts I owe to the debts that I owe debts to:confused:. It's a viscous fucking cycle....

[COLONELWAYNE]

Robbing Peter to pay Paul.( I think it's called) But I'll say this, then I'll hush. I say it because I've been there.( lotsa times) When you start having to go into debt or take out 2nd mortages or start pawning heirlooms and wedding rings because there's not enough month at the end of the money, it's time to back-up and re-group then take a long hard look at yourself and ask " where do I see myself in a couple of years?" If this habit's costing this much now,What's it gonna be like when my tolerence is so high I don't feel the buzz anymore and I just do it to keep the withdrawals away? What if I'm tested at work and fail or worse yet get rolled over on by some two-bit street junky who got busted and is trying to save his own ass at my expense? Who's going to pay all these bills and look after my family? The thing I'm leading up to is this: It's alot easier to maintain something while it's still running if you want to keep it running than it is to let it breakdown completely and have to overhaul it from the ground up. If you know this thing is running you instead of you running it and that financial ruin is inevitable unless you make some major adjustments,MAKE THEM! before someone else starts making them for you. If you lose your job,your home, your family, and your money, you're still gonna have the addiction! How you gonna feed it then? Steal for it? Kill for it? Think about it,before you HAVE to! Peace Out.......The Col.

[Buckshot]

Well the good thing about running about of money is that I go into a poverty induced detox. This gives me a week or so until I can get high again, which lets my tollerance come down.

Sometimes I have to wait a full 2 weeks till payday so I can "hook-up" and by the time that rolls around I dont even have physical WD's anymore, so I could just stop, but............you know the story.

Its not the physical withdrawls that get me.......Its the psycholgical aspect. And when you are clean long enough to have no physical WD's, you want it even more because you know that you'll get a really good high and even the itchy nose we love so much. And you tell yourself that since you have recovered you can just use once and awhile and never have physical WD's again. You say now I can just chip. And I'll save so much money and get a good buzz everytime I use on the weekends.....But I'm still working on that.

[givemesomefuckingsmack]

what up its Mr Smack agian just cheking in to tell you guys how i am doing........... well i got my addiction down to one 40mg pill a day, but the day when i had 3 pills left my girlfriend left me. Ohh poor me the women of my dreams left me because i told her i had another love, my love of the opiates. I came clean to her and she left me. So i broke up all 3 pills and snorted it in 3 lines and didnt get as fucked up as i thought. I still had my tolerance and i thought for sure i would get high and not fell the pain of a broken heart but it was inaffetive. I went to my oxy connet and asked what else he had and he had some dialudid and some tar, well with no rig i didnt want to get dialudid because i heard how inaffective it is orally and it was too expensive. So i bought like 40 buks worth of tar heated it up with some oceans mist sea salt and put in my nasal sprayer. It worked ok i kinda got high so i said fuck it and smoked the tar till i fell asleep. I went for 2 days smoking tar with a makeshift vaporizer i made from a soldering iron, i ran out of all money that i had, all my tar, i spent like my last 100 in tar, 140 in total, my car had no gas, i was fucked!!!!!!!!! So i hunkered down for the withdrawls. i let my last ballon of tar last me as long as possible, smoking only littel bits to keep my withdrawl down. my last hit of tar was about 9am of day 2, by about 2pm, i felt withdrawl hit me, after about the sun went down on day 2, my whole body hurt, i was so cold so constantly cold, goose bumps covered my body and i was sweating my ass off, by about 11pm, i got the shits, i lived on the toliet with 2 blankets wrapped around me. i had the runs so bad. Then i found 5 somas in my room and took then all, and went to sleep at 1am, i awoke the next day at about 11am sicker than before, called my manager and told him to call off band rehersal for the day beause i had the "flu". About an hour later the mail came and i truely think it was a gift from god, i found a check in my mail that was from BMI, they are responsible for music royalties from record sales. Well the check was for 489.23, it was pretty warm in southern cali yesterday about mid 80s and i was freezing but dripping sweat. I walked to washington mutal to cash my check i was wearing 2 pairs of sweats a tshirt and a snow jacket. I was sweating my ass off walking down the street the 2 miles to the bank, but still cold and shivering with massive goose bumps. I got to the bank but i still sweating, i looked so pale, i havent eaten in like 3 days i knew the people around me that were wearing shorts and a tank top were looking at me , this long haired guy, anorexially skinny, sunken in face that was noticably shaking and sweating in a snow jacket, like im crazy. I get my money and on the way home i have a real mental battle half of me wants to go get more dope and feel normal and i smoke enough maybe high. But half of me wants help, the only way i will get my women back is to get clean and be honest. I get home and look up a diretory of buprenorphine doctors on the internet. I find one close and go. He takes my 250 for the inital visit and writes me a script for clonodine .1mg 3 times daily, and a script for suboxone. I got to the pharmacy and i spent 46.45 remeber i have no insurance. 31.99 for 5 8mg suboxone and 9.99 for 10 clonodine .1mg. I was supposed to break the suboxone in half and take 4mg initally, after about 30min after placing it under my tounge i felt clarity a feeling i havent felt in so long. I felt little to none withdrawl symtoms. It felt to good to be true, i finally felt motivation. I got a good nights rest and awoke this morning to withdrawl at 8am and took my other half a pill and 30min later the withdrawl subsided. Its almost 11:20 and i still fell little to no withdrawl, its seriously amazing i feel so motivated to change my life and get on track with life after opiates.
thanks for all your support!
Love,
Mr Smack!

[scarlett44]

What are buprenorphine doctors and what is suboxone?

[jacky]

at this point in time, at least for a few more months a doctor needs to go to special classes to write prescriptions for suboxone, which is a mixed agonist/antagonist kappa opioid compounded medicine containing buprenorphine and naloxone. each DR can only treat 30 patients at the time being.
I like buprenorphine alot. I am pretty euphoric for the first couple of weeks when maintaing a regimine on the drug. alot of people dont experience that.
Suboxone is used as an alternative to methadone.

[givemesomefuckingsmack]

yeah to me it feels almost like a stimulant like euphoria. I am also very motivated, i woke this morning to slight withdrawl, but i took my half a pill 4mg and im chillin like a villian with no craving for anything not even weed. Mind you i have been blazin since i was 12 and im 24 now. No luck trying to get my girlfriend back yet she says you wont last a month and that gives me motivation to show her, and i really dont care if i get her back, when she said that to me. Thats the most bitchest thing some could every say to me, When she said that to me i lost all feelings for her. Im staying clean for myself not no one else. I played clean for the first time today and i just felt motivated to write all these songs. Ive been so productive in these short days, its rediculous how much dope stole away from me. Tonight i play my first show sober, talk about euphoria, i will have every hair stand on end while im playing this is a first for me. If anyone from the board in cali, wants to help out and come have a good time at my show at gameworks at the PIKE in long beach. That would be awsome its rockandroll with a little sleeze and a little sass! Its 21+ and they have a pretty cheap bar, i dont drink, but for all who do come down and get your swig on and watch me play my first show sober!

[COLONELWAYNE]

Hey smack, sounds like your going in the right direction with this thing.Just stay the course man stay the course.As for your girl,you don't need people around you like that right now anyway.
It's hard enough doing this shit,without having someone dogging you and telling you that you can't.Or calling you a loser or junky or crackhead.I now see where an NA meeting could come in to play and actually might give you that boost of support you need right now.No-one knows junkylife better than junkies!
Funny you should mention,I play guitar too.I turned 40 this year though and realized I had let that life pass me by as well. The drugs came into my life and I chose to pursue them instead of my lifelong dream of stardom. Before I realized it ,the band was gone ,the people,the ambition, right along with my desire to play.I picked up my guitar for the first time in 7 years this past week,and I still got it (HA!HA!) I just don't know what to do with it anymore!!
I have a 12 year old son who is musically inclined like me and his mother and he's only been playing a couple of months and has already learned everything I've shown him.In another three months, he'll be playing as well as I do and it took me 27 years to get to the point I'm at!
He was playing drums at 4 ( when I got on the shit and everything went to hell) He's good enough on those to play with ANYONE now. He's picked all of this up by ear yet can read sheet music too. ( which is something I never learned to do) Anyway I'm just rambling I know ,so I'll close by saying ....Peace Out and keep in touch!.....C.W.