Few opioid RCs found, questions:

[Tylercwxzy]

I'm sure everyone here knows about the O-desmethyltramadol, been searching around looking for a legal substitute for buprenorphine and happened to stumble upon 2 relatively unheard of(to me anyway) opioids. AH-7921, and a custom synth called Methoxynitazene the 2nd being a mystery to me. Apparently AH-7921 is about 80% the potency of morphine when administered orally and has no legal status in the states similar to O-desmethyltramadol.

Wondering if you guys have heard of or tried either before I make a purchase. Out of the three AH-7921 sounds like the most promising but curious about the methoxynitazene. If anyone wants to check out the site PM me and I'll send you a link to the products.

[borohydride]

AH-7921 is only useful for preventing withdrawal - no high whatsoever. The methoxynitazine isn't likely to be real (hard synthesis). O-desmethyltramadol is considered OK by some.

[Tylercwxzy]

I was thinking the same about the methoxynitazine, but it seems to have favorable reviews on the site. No descriptions on potency though or anything else from some lab in china so who knows what it really is without testing it. Thats disappointing to hear about the AH-7921, was hoping it would have some promise with the relative potency to morphine and higher oral bio. But found an article from the original animal tests done on it and I see what you mean, low incidence of narcotic side-effects with good analgesia usually means not all that great.

[SeVeN]

I was thinking the same about the methoxynitazine, but it seems to have favorable reviews on the site. No descriptions on potency though or anything else from some lab in china so who knows what it really is without testing it. Thats disappointing to hear about the AH-7921, was hoping it would have some promise with the relative potency to morphine and higher oral bio. But found an article from the original animal tests done on it and I see what you mean, low incidence of narcotic side-effects with good analgesia usually means not all that great.

I think what Boro was hinting at is that what it really is, is nothing at all. Fake. A way to get your money. But best of luck, and if you do try it, by all means PLEASE let us know!!

[borohydride]

I think that you can reasonably expect to get O-desmethyl tramadol or AH-7921 if you order them but never order without an NMR or GCMS (ideally both).

I've heard of quite a few examples of O-desmethyl tramadol being sold as other opioids. It's supposed to be good in it's own right when IVed (not that I recommend that ROA).

[Tylercwxzy]

Note that the methoxynitazene is only sold in 100mg-1gram amounts and is 100$ per .1 gram, so maybe it is being synth'd by this company. Says only small amounts left so I am very curious about it.

[borohydride]

Well, demand an NMR & GCMS if they ask such a stupid figure.

All the places I've seen it have a few synthetically simple M range opioids and this...

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THere are no good opiate RC's IMO

[underide]

^^Have you even tried any of them to dismiss them all?
Honest question..

There's actually a good number of them around, they're just difficult to get hold of for the most part..

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Lol the only one I tried was odesmethyltramadol however you spell it. And it was a let down. Really the only thing I got out of it was getting off sick... but that might be because I IV dope. I have a feeling if yo have a tiny opiate tolerance some might work better and stuff. Most trip reports I read report little to no high from a lot of these chemicals.. but you are 100% right lol I can't and shouldn't give a dumb blanket statement like I did. All I can talk about is the odes.. my friend tried it orally and didnt get any effects (or so he claimed).

I really was expecting atleast something remotely resembling a rush wehN I IV'd it.. but it just was not there no matter how much I did. WHen I do opiates I expect euphoria not just getting off sick and the side effects like cns depression. If this drug had a good rush with actual euphoria it would be awesome. I actually still have almost all of waht I bought and I am a opiate addict... its not normal for an opiate addict to hold onto opioates lol but I honestly see no poitn in ever doing it again unless its to get off sick.

I bet if someone with no tolerance IV'd a reasonable dose they might get nice and high.. I think the NYC dope I do kind of ruined it for me or something.

My friend that ate ir orally was really worreid about ODing and I think the reason eh didnt feel ANYTHING was that he only ate like 15 or 20mg lol.

[underide]

^^ I get what you're saying, I think.
But like i say - there are a few of them around that could be quite decent, if not extremely well-recieved.
Problem is - it is actually all the intriguing ones that are more difficult to obtain.

I'm talking here of Butyr-fentanyl (80-100x morphine), Metonitazene (100x morphine), Bromadol (500x morphine), W-18 (10,000x morphine!!!) and a good number of other less-known ones too.
Ofcourse, more often than not - potency means shit when speaking in more broader terms of opiate appreciation (euphoria, availability, safety-profile, toxicity, etc)
Also as you may notice - a lot of these are EXTREMELY potent, which makes me wonder if it is even a good idea at all to even consider fucking with them.
Yet still - I cannot help but be intrigued by them and given the chance i would most likely go for them.
Like i say though - they can be somewhat tricky to procure, and to know that you're actually getting what you're paying for.
Hence your statement may even be somewhat justified, i guess.

[ausativa]

hey op,

i don't think it would be very wise to substitute some quasi-legal RC opioid to replace bupe. there aren't very many cheap ones, and if your just looking for a good high just get some whatever your DOC is.

i dont know if you are on maintenance with bupe, but if you are, remember why you are using subs in the first place.

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Why not just get bupe? Its so fucking easy to get and doctors will prescribe 3-4 8mg bupe pills for like even teh smallest habit lol. They are dumb. Its so much more trouble to have to roder shit off teh net. I go to my bupe doc, pay a $30 copay, walk out with a fuckload of bupe like 100x what I actually take. I take .5mg in the am and .5mg in the PM. WHen I first switched to bupe from 80mg metahdoen daily I got 32mg bupe daily!!! LOL. WHo in there right mind would take that much lol.

You can get one script and itll last hella long though. Also get generic subutex. I have a really shitty health insurance plan and my copay is $15 for however many pills the doc prescribes. So for $45 I get 120 8mg buprenorphine lol. Even if you payed cash its only abour $3 a pill for the 8mg and $1.xx for the 2mg pills. I also get 30x 30mg temazepam monthly and 60 2mg clonidine so I end up spen $75 all together but I have a lot of good shit lol.

[chemboy7]

Why not just get bupe? Its so fucking easy to get and doctors will prescribe 3-4 8mg bupe pills for like even teh smallest habit lol. They are dumb. Its so much more trouble to have to roder shit off teh net. I go to my bupe doc, pay a $30 copay, walk out with a fuckload of bupe like 100x what I actually take. I take .5mg in the am and .5mg in the PM. WHen I first switched to bupe from 80mg metahdoen daily I got 32mg bupe daily!!! LOL. WHo in there right mind would take that much lol.

You can get one script and itll last hella long though. Also get generic subutex. I have a really shitty health insurance plan and my copay is $15 for however many pills the doc prescribes. So for $45 I get 120 8mg buprenorphine lol. Even if you payed cash its only abour $3 a pill for the 8mg and $1.xx for the 2mg pills. I also get 30x 30mg temazepam monthly and 60 2mg clonidine so I end up spen $75 all together but I have a lot of good shit lol.

I have trouble believing you're laughing out loud that often. I read through your entire post and I didn't get the giggles, not once. LOL.

[jimmyfingers]

I have a sample of O-DT coming to me any day now acquired from an email source on a private forum. It has been third party lab tested as 99.1% pure. Other researchers have said it is really good. Most of these people on this forum have been involved in the RC scene for many years. The general consensus is most of the 'trip reports' on the web involved O-DT that wasn't pure and heavily cut. They say only 1 other email source a while back had pure O-DT.

This is going for 90 a gram. One guy who is an opiate user reported excellent results of 90mg snorted.

I know there was a group buy for acetyl fent. The lab in China sent out some type of powdered sugar.

Underide- there aren't 'a good many RC opiates around' Lots of people talk about them on the web and a few real labs and chemists might have made a small batch where actual testing was done, but that is about it

[SubHuman]

Why not just get bupe? Its so fucking easy to get and doctors will prescribe 3-4 8mg bupe pills for like even teh smallest habit lol. They are dumb. Its so much more trouble to have to roder shit off teh net. I go to my bupe doc, pay a $30 copay, walk out with a fuckload of bupe like 100x what I actually take. I take .5mg in the am and .5mg in the PM. WHen I first switched to bupe from 80mg metahdoen daily I got 32mg bupe daily!!! LOL. WHo in there right mind would take that much lol.

You can get one script and itll last hella long though. Also get generic subutex. I have a really shitty health insurance plan and my copay is $15 for however many pills the doc prescribes. So for $45 I get 120 8mg buprenorphine lol. Even if you payed cash its only abour $3 a pill for the 8mg and $1.xx for the 2mg pills. I also get 30x 30mg temazepam monthly and 60 2mg clonidine so I end up spen $75 all together but I have a lot of good shit lol.

Some people are too old to be on mommy and daddies health insurance still and actualy have to pay out of pocket for their bupe (like me). Also dont you think everyone who gets on bupe would rather take subutex? Not every doc is gonna allow that so saying "get subutex" is pretty useless advice. It took being turned down 3 times and proving myself for over a year before my doc would give me subutex and some docs wont do it at all.

[jimmyfingers]

Some people are too old to be on mommy and daddies health insurance still and actualy have to pay out of pocket for their bupe (like me). Also dont you think everyone who gets on bupe would rather take subutex? Not every doc is gonna allow that so saying "get subutex" is pretty useless advice. It took being turned down 3 times and proving myself for over a year before my doc would give me subutex and some docs wont do it at all.

You always got a bad attitude. My old bupe doc charged 60 dollars a visit and gave 3 months worth of meds (script +2 refills). Wrote for generic subutex 60 which were 180 at the time. 25 for the 2mg 60 kpin script 25 for the 60 Soma. I was taking 2mg of subs so I had a shit load of subs left over. 250 a month for a lot of drugs is a pretty good deal. It probably doesn't get any cheaper than this unless you are on RB program where they ship you the subs for free

[underide]

Underide- there aren't 'a good many RC opiates around' Lots of people talk about them on the web and a few real labs and chemists might have made a small batch where actual testing was done, but that is about it

There's actually a parallel thread going (sort-of) to this one.
Yeah, i hear you on that JF, but then I wasn't trying to prove their accessibility or their availability, but only listing them as examples of "Opiate RC's" that have been listed or rated elsewhere.
I think you kind of misread me though.
The RC's i have listed here really do exist - but as was stated by others - its verifying that you're getting what you've actually ordered that may be the problem. As well as the purity levels and/or quality.
In terms of actually sourcing those RC's - i cannot personally vouch for and never have done so here or anywhere for that matter.

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Some people are too old to be on mommy and daddies health insurance still and actualy have to pay out of pocket for their bupe (like me). Also dont you think everyone who gets on bupe would rather take subutex? Not every doc is gonna allow that so saying "get subutex" is pretty useless advice. It took being turned down 3 times and proving myself for over a year before my doc would give me subutex and some docs wont do it at all.

Congrats that you are too old for your parents health insurance. This might blow your mind man... but there is such a thing as health insurance from an employer, and private health insurance. Personally I pay for BCBS basic epo plus.

How you got turned down 3 times in a row I have no idea. Bupe is just about the easiest thing to get prescribed.

Even if I were to pay out of pocket it would be $100 per month plus the cost of script. I know that's astronomical. No one in their right mind could ever afford that. EVER. You got me there.

I have trouble believing you're laughing out loud that often. I read through your entire post and I didn't get the giggles, not once. LOL.

You just officially made me laugh out loud. My lol count was way up there haha.

[jimmyfingers]

My whole point was these are not accessible to people. Even on private forums that are invite only where many of the members are from China with direct connections to labs.

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And he thinks its going to be cheaper and easier than getting suboxone ((shrug))

[underide]

My whole point was these are not accessible to people. Even on private forums that are invite only where many of the members are from China with direct connections to labs.

Have you got any basis for saying that other than YOU personally have not been able to get them?
I'm kind of baffled here, since i even listed a certain chemical which you yourself said you were just about to obtain (O-desmethyltramadol)
(plus another one that people in this thread alone have confirmed the availability of)
I never tried to prove or disprove their availability and if you read my post carefully i even attest to the difficulty in acquiring them.
If you're asking for a more *concrete* proof then that - i'm sorry, i don't think i could provide that for you even if i tried. I never laid claim to anything more than knowing that these RC's do exist (no matter how rare) and that they have been tried and rated by users on other forums.

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Have you got any basis for saying that other than YOU personally have not been able to get them?
I'm kind of baffled here, since i even listed a certain chemical which you yourself said you were just about to obtain (O-desmethyltramadol)
(plus another one that people in this thread alone have confirmed the availability of)
I never tried to prove or disprove their availability and if you read my post carefully i even attest to the difficulty in acquiring them.
If you're asking for a more *concrete* proof then that - i'm sorry, i don't think i could provide that for you even if i tried. I never laid claim to anything more than knowing that these RC's do exist (no matter how rare) and that they have been tried and rated by users on other forums.

First of all, @@ the OP, I am assuming you are looking to get high right? Your tolerance is so low, you should be able to get high off bupe and stay getting high off of it if you keep your total daily dose under .5mg. If you start taking 4mg+ daily.. any high you are experiencing will diminish within a week or 2. I am being totally honest here, when I first ever took bupe YEARS ago, the first week or 2 I was on it I was high as a kite, with SO much energy it was great. Little did I know this was a quick passing honeymoon phase. After 2 weeks bupe was what youd expect it to be a partial agonist that doesnt get you high for jack shit.

Some of you are going to disagree with me.. but hear me out. I came to the conclusion that odesmethyltramadol was worthless...atleast for me. At first I thought I was going to find this majestic replacement for IV heroin that was legal and I could order it online at reasonable prices etc..

Well first of all, this drug is scarce to begin with. My buddy actually got scammed the 1st time he tried to order it. He payed $300 for 10g and never got it. If you see that deal somewhere avoid that webstie at all costs. I have to ask him what the name was. I couldn't find it cheaper than nearly $100 a gram when I ordered it. Maybe you have a better source than I do though.

So I ordered 2 grams to test it out and had my hopes up... $100 a gram seemed good until I actually tried to get high off of it. Keep in mind I have a IV heroin habit of around 5-10 $4 heroin bags a day. So when I first got it I ate 100mg to no avail. I actually thought it was FAKE. I literally felt absolutely nothing. I ate 100mg more and didn't notice a change after an hour, so I gave up on that method.

The next day I tried IVing 100mg and it did get me off empty.. but there was no rush, and essentially no high. I mean it was better than being sick but I would not call this a high. I guess it made my appetite come back so there was a little pick me up. Surely, I would not classify the drug as recreational atleast at 100mg IV'd. So right there a 100mg shot costed me $10 and all I accomplished was getting off sick.

Day 3 I ate 100mg and IV'd 100mg, no rush, a bit more than a pick me up but honestly a single $4 bag of heroin got me WAY higher. This method was better by FAR than just eating 200mg. I ended up selling the rest because at that poitn it was comletely worthless to me considering how much it was costing me to just get off sick. . For $20 bucks it costs for 200mg of O-desmethyltramadol I could buy five bags of dope and get so much fucking higher than that it is not even funny.

So the cost to benefit ratio, atleat in my experience, made me classify this drug as un recreational. Also, O-desmethyltramadol is not THAT easy to find, but it is available, that being said, its a walk in the park compared to trying to find some of those other rc opiods. Maybe things have changed and the other opiate RC's are more available or something now?

Things sould be different for you because you have no tolerance. Just warning you that I would choose the high I got from bupe over O-desmethyltramadol any day.

In my case, even if I was paying cash for my doc and script, it would be much better in monetary terms to stick with dope or bupe than this.

As for getting on a bupe program, I dont get how you can be turned down 3 times in a row? I have been to atLEST 5 doctors all you do is go in, tell them you are having trouble quitting opiates, get your script and leave. I hear some doctors do drug test to make sure you haev opiates in your system but not one out of my 5 did a prescreening. Obviously you get drug tested while on the program.