They never mention the fact that the taxes on tobacco contribute £billions towards keeping the NHS the public service it is.
Can't win 'em all
Yeah, even the government makes money off of tobacco. It's a huge cash crop and it's heavily taxed. I really don't foresee it becoming illegal, but it may be illegal to smoke anywhere but in one's own home one day.
once, in a dream, I have been here, but now, when with you, I have no fear. . .
Gray day, no dawn,
Everyone that's here, is gone
Except of course my Junkie son
Draw the black flag cross the moon
Burn the bottom of a thousand spoons
The Poppy frees us from the gloom
Star light, star bright
Heart pounding in my chest tonight
Vampires shrinking from the light
Oh, God whose image we are in
Christ, who frees us of our sins
Bless you for the Heroin
since this thread came back around...
IF they make it illegal, it may become cheaper. no one to tax it.
as long as the supply stays up, it would be cheaper.
but as its been said that wont happen. not just cause of the taxes but because tobacco companies have lobbyists who have lobbyists.
If cigs were illegal i would buy them the same way i buy the rest of the illegal stuff i enjoy duhhh
I will never let the nanny state get between me and my hedonism
--- auto merge ---
I dont like maynonnaise, should i wish other people wouldnt eat the shit?
How is this differerent than drug warriors
Passing laws because they dont get high and dont want anyone else to either?
I only care in so much as it effects me. Many smokers don't give a fuck that their second hand smoke effects other people. This is similar to drunk drivers not caring if they ruin people's lives by getting into car accidents with other people.
I don't leave uncapped needles laying around in public, and if I was going to smoke I don't expose other people to whatever it is I'm smoking (cannabis, wax, salvia, etc).
Is so not the same as dricing drunk
All cig Mokers i know only smoke outdoora or in their crib
Otherwise onluy where other people are akso smoking
Loke a private home/car or a bar or a night club
If you dont like cig smoke dont hanfg in smoking bars/clubs
And you shoukd nbe straifhter than a fuckin light post
I still dont see how your interpertation of the consequences od nicotine
Should be able ti dictate the actions if other people
Sorry for hte rypos i smokinf a stuoid amount of crackrock
And no on has to deal wirh the smoke but me crazy huh??
Last edited by SHELLEY; 02-15-2013 at 09:22 PM.
Meh, guy seems like a dickweed to me... I'm not even going to acknowledge his bullshit post full of bullshit logic. He neither deserves it nor do I care to explain the obvious. I will, however, point out his jackassery. You'd think he'd realize most people here would be against personal rights being taken away or being judgmental of other's addictions. Go figure. I hope his wife starts chain smoking cigars and chewing tobacco, it'd serve him right.
--The Sock Puppet Pervert--
the Australian government has lost almost $400,000 in excise from tobacco due to it's aggressive anti-smoking drive.
this tells me that they would rather us all healthy rather that them dripping in excise money.
"Shoot drugs not people"
It all comes down to personal preference. I have a front row seat to watching mom declining as a result of 60+ years of smoking. I'm not gonna run out and save everyone from "evil tobacco". Honestly seems fast food is becoming another health hazard with so much of the American population being over weight. Thank Dog I don't live in New York!
"Just remember every time one of us writhes in pain, a DEA agent gets his wings."
I don't care to change anyone else's mind, I'm just thinking that smoking tobacco in public isn't a right anyone needs, and I certainly don't need that right myself. If you are smoking tobacco in your own home, I don't care that you're doing it. Just like I wouldn't care if you get drunk in your own home, or if you're cutting yourself with a knife or whatever. It just seems pretty harmful and counter-productive to living an enjoyable life is all I'm saying.
Smoking cannabis in public is against the law, and I don't think I should need to smoke cannabis in public. Just my 2 cents.
head up the ass.jpg
So you don't want to be exposed to secondhand smoke, that's cool. The thing is that you're first post didn't talk of secondhand smoke; it said you don't smoke and wish others didn't as well. This is a half assed attempt to save yourself from looking like a tool while still holding onto most of your original sentiment. It's pretty transparent too.
Would you not at least agree that establishments owned by citizens should be able to choose whether or not they want a smoking section? Or does that not suit you well enough? Who cares that private businesses have to obey anti-smoking laws and lose business (I certainly go to the bar less now), no you're absolutely right... some people don't like smoking so no one should do it anywhere but their own home or (if alone) vehicle. I dislike lots of things about lots of people, too bad we can't find a way to ban those too.
Last edited by chemboy7; 02-16-2013 at 12:15 AM.
--The Sock Puppet Pervert--
By saying I wish people didn't smoke, I'm not saying that out of anything but love. People shouldn't be subjected to all of those carcinogens/toxins in tobacco. Considering the day and age we live in, I wish people would just use e-cigs.
I also wish that people shouldn't have to become addicted to a substance. Being unable to not use a drug reduces your will power to say no to that drug, and this can in turn make you feel poorly about yourself. I know because at one point I was unable to not use heroin, and I was also unable to not use methamphetamine (I wouldn't spend my money on it nor heroin, but if someone hands it to me for free, it's hard for me not to use it).
I feel bad having lost my will power in that sense, it's nothing I would wish on someone else. I think that if you honestly want people to go through such a thing, you'd have to be a really sadistic and uncaring human being.
It feels good to be able to say no to a given substance, especially one that is extremely damaging to the human body (alcohol, tobacco, crack/cocaine, to some extent methamphetamine/heroin, and others).
You can also factor in the idea that the majority of cigarettes smoked are many more times harmful as they are produced using radioactive pesticides. If you're smoking naturally grown tobacco, imagine Native Americans growing their own smoking tobacco long before the likes of Phillip Morris and RJ Reynolds, you have about only 10% of the risk of contracting cancer compared to smokers of major US brands.
Of course there's many other health problems associated with tobacco use, however my biggest problem is with people who support the big tobacco companies. These are evil and heartless companies who profit from other people's addictions. The majority of cigarette smokers purchase major brand cigarettes, which is supporting an evil empire that has actively suppressed the truth over how damaging tobacco is for decades and decades.
If you are rolling your own cigarettes with all natural tobacco, you're doing it right, but I'd still urge you to try an ecig. If you're using an ecig, you're doing it right, although tapering off of nicotine all together is still a good idea, it's not necessary.
But it's just mindless to buy major brand cigarettes in my opinion.
Again, I don't care to change anyone else's minds or opinions, I'm just sharing my own. I encourage you all to have your own opinions and to live your lives accordingly. You can agree to disagree with me, instead of trying to adhere a negative perception about my opinions.
This is the state law for California. You can indeed have a tobacco consumption business, as long as you have five or fewer employees who are 18+ years old, who consent!
I wouldn't mind that. You could easily have an 18+ year old only family of 5 or less run a family run business where smokers can smoke inside, and it would be complaint with California state law! I obviously wouldn't go visit, but I'm just saying, the state law allows for smoking inside under certain rules, and I think they are justifiable IMO.
I think the laws of California about smoking bans work well in reality, and it supports small businesses by exempting small business with five or fewer employees from the ban. This is the kind of legislation that encourages small businesses and that make the economy much better out here than compared to different states in my opinion.
Again, no need to change your mind or beliefs, just sharing my own. If you think that smoking bans are stupid, you're entitled to your belief. The King of the Hill episode where Dale Dribble violates the bans was a really funny episode and I can see why he went out of his way to violate them. It's OK to think that smoking bans shouldn't exist and you are totally entitled to believe that if that's what you believe.
I didn't want to share my opinions to upset anyone, and I don't seek to change anyone's mind. I like that we all have our own beliefs and we are fully entitled to them, and I enjoyed reading all of your opinions as well.
Last edited by J24; 02-17-2013 at 02:13 AM.
--The Sock Puppet Pervert--
It feels good to be able to look at a drug you don't want to use, despite having had a problem with it, and turn it down. My friend has offered me free black tar heroin several times. I used to take them up on the offer, but have said no more than once. Every time I declined, even though I didn't get high, it felt amazing to know I had that will power.Just say no? Ha! Never thought I'd see that thrown around on here. If it's works for you thumbs up man, that's great. Abstinence doesn't work for everyone though and should always be a personal choice, not much sense trying to enforce it anyways.
It's not the "just say no" philosophy, it's the ability to say no one day so that you can say yes the next, and not have an addiction. Like to me, I don't like having to use IV buprenorphine. I wish I could go a few days without it to lower my tolerance. I wish I didn't have to do it every day to avoid withdrawal symptoms. If I had never gotten addicted to heroin I would have never let myself end up like this.
I have talked to other people who have lost their will power to say no to a drug, whether it be crack/cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, alcohol, tobacco etc. and in any case, generally the person feels bad that they have lost that degree of self-control to be able to say no.
It's not just saying no to drugs all together, it's the ability to pick and choose which days or which moments you want to use drugs in, so that it's more enjoyable when it's not an every day thing.
I like the idea that we should have freedom on what to put into our own bodies, but I think that in the real world, the world where we have a war on drugs, and in most states cannabis is a scheduled drug which makes up for most arrests for drug possession these days, it makes sense to have some restrictions. As much as I personally believe methamphetamine shouldn't be a scheduled drug, I'm thoroughly glad it isn't more available than it already is. I hate witnessing people who are psychotic due to amphetamine psychosis. It is a detriment upon society.
I would rather see drugs like heroin and benzos be more available, because people don't go psychotic off of heroin, people don't normally go psychotic from taking benzos (possibly during extreme withdrawal though).
I think the best way to get around smoking bans is to use e-cigs. If you go in a bathroom, and use an e-cig, I doubt anyone would notice by the time you come out. I would rather see all tobacco smokers switch to e-cigs, or use e-cigs in public if they are going to need it in public.
Then again there's also other reasons why "I should be allowed to put whatever I want in my body" isn't exactly a philosophy to live by. Think of people who suffer from piquerism, like Albert Fish.
What if someone wants to embed needles into themselves, is that something you'd be OK with? Even if one day such people just become a burden onto society because who's going to pay for their health care?
Considering the tax payers or hospitals of the country are going to have to take care of the health costs of the people who can't afford to take care of themselves, it doesn't make sense to allow people to smoke cigarettes. I would rather see e-cigs take over, so that the majority of the damage done by tobacco disappears.
I also think it should be illegal to smoke tobacco if you are a pregnant woman. I knew this girl who has a cleft pallet now from her mother having smoked cigarettes during her pregnancy with this woman. She's a very good looking girl, and the cleft pallet is probably the only thing that makes her self-conscious about herself. It's definitely really tragic because she is the nicest person I have met in that entire family and she doesn't deserve that birth defect. It seems cruel to allow women to smoke cigarettes and bring underweight, prematurely born children into the world. I don't see why a woman would be punished for using heroin or cocaine during pregnancy, if she wasn't going to get punished for smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol during pregnancy.
Just my 2 cents.
Of course being able to resist temptation is gratifying... it is. Not as gratifying as giving in, of course, but we find pleasure where we can.
I was with you until you equated smoking cigarettes with Albert Fish. That's just ridiculous. If someone wants to do that to themselves though, yeah I respect their right to do that... not my body and has no effect on me. I'd rather let the crazy fuck do what he wants than make him not forcibly. Would it be illegal for me to drink bleach or lye? Nope, completely legal. Drug laws aren't made to save you from yourself; in fact, what you do with yourself should be a personal choice. I'm kooky like that though.
I don't agree with subjecting people to my smoke, No one should do that... it's a dick move. Even still, don't tread on my right to smoke. I'm cool with you being against it and not forcing it on you, please try to do us smokers the same courtesy .
--The Sock Puppet Pervert--
If you were to argue that suicide shouldn't be against the law, I'd understand where you're coming from better. How do you feel about that? Should suicide be legal?
You're free to smoke what you want and I encourage you to do so if you truly want to.
I think the majority of cigarette smokers want to quit though, and many do attempt to quit.
As far as assisted euthanasia (because self administered suicide can obviously not be punished) I am all for it. If someone wants to check out who am I, or anyone else, to tell them they have to do this life shit if they don't want to? That'd be pushing my own views onto others, wouldn't it? Procedures such as nitrogen asphyxiation (which we are humane enough to use on animals) would be a great out for those that choose to use it. Breathe without gasping or distress... just breathing nitrogen until your blood has a low enough oxygen level to turn your lights out. I'd imagine it'd feel much like opening your wrist in a warm bath tub, everything draining out of you and succumbing to the nothing bit by bit, outside vision tunneling smaller until there is nothing but black.
That sounds much darker than I expected, still remains true though.
--The Sock Puppet Pervert--
--- auto merge ---
I find this (il)logic some what fascinating, since you talk about smoking cannabis etc later.
Do you think loading your body up on CBN's, which your endocrine system only makes a very minute amount of naturally doesn't have any effects or concerns?
Trust No One
“It is one of the great joys of home ownership to fire a pistol in one's own bedroom”
― Alfred Jarry
“People who boast about their IQ’s are losers.” Stephen Hawking
I can see it now:
20 years from now, head shops (or what's left of them), selling "Exotic Navajo Tobacco Incense Sticks." FOR USE AS AN EXOTIC INCENSE ONLY. NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION.
Feel the aroma of authentic Native American Tobacco Aromatherapy!
"I have known a great many troubles, but most of them never happened."
- Mark Twain
Si non pro pharmacae, me infelix fore.
i live in rural upstate NY..in the 70's growing up i remember going to a 7-11 store and seing a kid (8-9 yrs old) come in with $1.95 and a note from his MOTHER saying he had permission to go and get her the cigarettes she signed it ans added a phone number!.
guess what? yep the kid was sold the cigs snd the cashiers just talked shit about the lazy mom when the kid left with mommys cancer sticks..
now you cant smoke in amy public area building structure business (even pipe tobacco shops cant give a pipefull to a customer to try i used to go to a mall that had a pipe/cigar/special blended tobaccos and buy them for my dad for xmas w/mom standing outside didnt like the smoke/smell i got the tobacco samples and a smile and a laugh..ahhh the 70's)
$500 fine for owner of any bar or business if ANYONE caught with a lit cig.
surprisingly chewing tobaccy not really regulated most carry a 1 liter pepsi bottle or a 16 oz'er and spit into that...note when high make sure you grab the right soda bottle before swallowing/drinking from i'll leave the visuals to you i cant go there im still HAUNTED by it!
"I grew up, went into rehab
they said son you're gonna be a new man
'Ii said thank you very much
can I borrow fifty bucks."
..Layne Staley/Alice In Chains
"Spoof, dope, crank, creep, bomb, spank, shit, bang, zip, tweak, chard. Call it what you will it's all methamphetamine. That's what I'm here for."
- The opening line from the movie Spun