Breaking Bad

[skeezerjohns22]

It's not all lost df. Just when I thought all the good series were gone for the season, suddenly The Newsroom appears and shows all kinds of promise. Like you say, televised series have never been better or so well done as the best ones currently. I am more amazed each and every time I watch - from the writing to the acting and right down to the music and cinematography.

Word... So far, the first 2 episodes of "The Newsroom" are exceptional if you like good TV. The cinematography is comparable to movie quality, really quite impressive. Really not all that surprising though, after all Aaron Sorkin is responsible for this gem.

[SeVeN]

am I the only person that thinks
that Saul Goodman's name is awesome?
it's "'sall good, man."

but yeah, I love this show.
not much longer now, folks.
I just recently got into it.
watched like all 4 seasons in a week.

I had seen a few episodes and thought some of them were good. I jus hate waiting. So i did what i did with lost. Wait until the last season and then just run through the whole show in a couple of weeks. Im at about the end of the first season and so far I really like a lot of it.

[digby]

Have revised my view of the Newsroom. It showed such promise too. After watching the last episode, it was a race between my wife and I to see who could get to the "cancel series" button first.

So now it really is simply wait for Breaking Bad to start again.

[chemboy7]

I'm kinda interested in seeing Skylar break more bad. She's already started in on the family business, seems inevitable that her character will progress along the same lines as Walts. I think what would really pull it together is if Hank had to go and she knows about it. Remember the scene where she realizes just how awesome heated bathroom floors are after fucking Ted? Yeah, she's all about breaking bad, she just puts on the soccer mom front. She's naughty... I can tell.

[jimmyfingers]

It just finished the last 3 episodes from season 4. Amazing! Gus was my favorite character. I loved when he was brought in and questioned by the DEA. He mastered it.

[thisisthehaunt]

I think Skylar is the biggest bitch and she annoys the fuck out of me.

"I fucked ted."
*bitch slap*

[OpiatedChronically]

God damnit I CAN'T.FUCKING.WAIT for July 15th!!! This is one of my all time favorite shows, the writing is superb and the acting is among the very best I've ever seen.

Even though I've seen every episode I've been watching all the episodes being aired late night on AMC. I'm so fucking excited!! The tension is UNBEARABLE! GAAH!!!

My uncle has an interesting thought about what may happen: He thinks that Walt Jr. may end up trying the Meth and getting hooked on it. That would definitely be a twist, and I'm anxious to see if he's right.

The theory about Walt having to get rid of Hank holds some merit too, that's a definite possibility and an interesting one at that.

I'm wondering, if Hank found out about Walt, do you think he would confront Walt about it, and if so, would he confront him before taking action as a DEA agent? Or would he take him down without warning? OR, do you think Hank would just sit by and do nothing about it if he found out? Hmm...

I wonder how far Skyler will go...will she end up being directly part of the business to help keep Walt from making too many mistakes? Or will she stick to the money laundering? I really love how far she's actually gone with all this. Bad bitch indeed.

I am going to be in such suspense waiting for the very last episode to see what happens to Walt, to everyone, the writers of this show really know how to keep the tension thick!!

[QueenofDenial]

Opiatedchronically~
All great questions and theories! I imagine I have no backing on this, but I still believe at his core Walt is a decent guy and just wants whats best for his family--and Jessie. And now I have seen every episode about 3 x. Love it, and always see or hear something different each time I watch it.

Personally? I think Walt will kill himself. Once he is positive his family and Jessie are out of harms way, then he will somehow end his own life. He had talked so much about how he wanted to end his life on a positive note, so perhaps he can manage to do that.

Your Uncle's theory about Walt Jr. is interesting. However, I can't imagine the writers doing that to Walt Jr. Only because they have made him a stable cog in the wheel of Walt and Skyler's life.
I also don't think Skyler will go down. She is too smart for it, and so is Walt.

Hank? I can't imagine him EVER killing Walt, or Walt killing Hank. Maybe....but it would have to be under pretty heavy duty circumstances. Hank thinks the world of Walt, and Walt---he is just too kind hearted to kill his sister-in-law's husband.

BTW---Walt NEVER killed any child. Gus did! The little boy(Brock) in the hospital was either killed by Gus or Lily of the Valley. Remember? Jessie said they weren't sure. And the other kids that got killed that were mules for the dealers, that was totally because of Gus. I liked Gus too. But I keep thinking after the old man killed his lover, he was never the same. Totally hardened his heart. So killing was easy for him.

I do wonder about Mike. He is such a down to earth guy---when not killing people for Gus. How that will play out should be quite interesting. Maybe he will start working for Walt? But that doesn't sound right because remember, Walt and Jessie blew up the cook lab?
I think the only way out for Walt is to make sure his family is safe and then kill himself OR do what Saul said: Get a new life, new names, totally unknown town, people. Very costly but can be done. Saul has come through for Walt and Jessie before, so maybe.

But I am with you OPCH the suspense is almost unbearable!!!!
BTW---Don't you find Skyler got sexier the smarter they made her character? =)

We shall all see soon what will happen. BTW(again)---look up the meaning of 'Breaking Bad'.

QoD

[radioactive_man]

Has anyone seen that photo of Walt Jr. that says, "Lets cook, breakfast."? It has been circulating on facebook. Anyway, when I first saw it, I thought that maybe Walt Jr. was going to start cooking. Once I read what OPCH said about Walt trying meth, it clicked. After all, it is the west and meth is a big thing in that part of the country.

As far as not being able to wait, try not having cable. I have to wait until midnight at the earliest to download the episode. I am still excited to see what happens though.

[iriewon]

hahaha def have seen that radioactive man....a couple days ago was teh first time and i started laughin...his face in the photo is perfect too.

i think walt is farrrrr from a "good man" now a days...and skyler...well...shes a bitch. not a fan of either anymore. i really cant wait to see where they take this. i also feel that it was walt that poisoned the kid. all i can remember is that ending scene with walt sitting in his backyard and it goes to the plant that poisoned the kid? but honestly who knows with the writers of this show. next sunday cant get here fast enough...and the sunday after...and after that one...and so on.

[Princess Kitty]

Walt Jr getting hooked on meth would really make the show come circle. I also an awaiting very impatiently for the 15th to get here.

[chemboy7]

I'm thinking that being that the last session is going to basically be split into two that they'll each end with the death of a major character. At first I was thinking Jesse then Walt, but that's a little too obvious. Hank and then Walt would lead to some interesting situations; it'd be so much better if Walt Jr (I don't think he goes by "Flynn" anymore) dies of a OD or is picked off by one of Walt's rivals (remaining cartel members, Mike, who knows) in the first half. I'm fairly sure Walt will be the one getting it in the end.

On the Mike issue (how he will react to Walt killing Mr. Fring) I can only speculate BUT, he is in it for the money and if Fring is dead Walt would be the likely runner up but only if he is able to move the weight that Fring could. When Saul introduced them early on he said that that was the only person he knew that dealt in those quantities. Then again, I'm sure that Fring has powerful friends that have yet to be introduced that are going to be sore about that whole face off thing. I could see it going either way really. I'm sure the only variables in Mikes mind are 1) his safety and 2) money... I'm sure he has little loyalty to Fring. He may still be pissed about Fring slitting his back-up man Tyrus' throat. Who knows. I did see that the three photos of the new season that AMC released are of Walt, Jesse and Mike in the scrap yard where they did the first deal with Tuco. Mike didn't look happy either, but the photos didn't say much more than that.

I liked Gus too. But I keep thinking after the old man killed his lover, he was never the same. Totally hardened his heart. So killing was easy for him.

I'm not so sure that Fring was gay or that that was his lover. I do know that Gus had kids. I remember the scene where he and Walt are cooking at his house and Gus mentions how he never gets to eat the dish they're preparing because his kids wont eat it. I think that his first chemist getting shot in front of him pissed him off because not only did he groom him and pay for his education but it was also a major display of disrespect. Whatever his sexual preference Fring seems more about power than sex.

[skeezerjohns22]

I just realized something pretty major. Since Gus killed ALL of the major Cartel players, and then Walt killed Gus, that leaves only two major players with the "Golden Recipe" (Walt and Jesse)... I don't think it's a matter of *will* Walt and Jesse keep cooking, but when. I mean, they may not want to, but someone big enough in the game will seek out either Heisenberg or Jesse for the recipe. Realistically at least 80 percent of the Southwest's Meth trade was taken out in those two fatal blows... It's not like all the junkie's are just gonna quit smoking meth.

[QueenofDenial]

SkeezerJohn---True that! Makes sense, and I think you are on the right track there.
Iriewon--I remember that scene with the Lily of the Valley in Walt's backyard. Still, I find it very hard to believe he would poison the kid. It is a tough call. Just why did they show it? Hopefully we will find out soon!

This is such a well written show---and always makes me think: What/where is that invisible line in my own moral inventory? Hard to say unless I have worn those shoes, but quite interesting to ponder.

[opi8]

I just hope mike comes back and plays a central role in whatever new operation they set up

[chemboy7]

I just hope mike comes back and plays a central role in whatever new operation they set up

Of course Mike comes back... he's an integral cog (positive or negative) in this wheel. That's the question: is it + or -? It goes that way with all characters. Most think I like this series because of the meth-cookery and sinfulness... wrong. It's the character development.

[QueenofDenial]

I agree Chemboy. Each character is so completely thought out, and each is similar in one way or another, to people we all know.
Personally, I can find very likeable qualities, and qualities I myself share with each character. Some good, some not so good. Just like real life, we are all only human.

The reason I started watching was because of where it was filmed, and I had heard great reviews. Had nothing to do with meth---and they certainly don't glamorize the drug.

[Duckfeet]

I think Skylar is the biggest bitch and she annoys the fuck out of me.

"I fucked ted."
*bitch slap*

Got me laughing here...felt the same way haha...."fucked Ted, huh? Well fuck *this*!" Of course, I got a feeling that one on one, she might very well kick Walt's ass... I mean, Walt's got that practiced tough guy *look*....but in most fights, Jesse wins anyway....

On another note, on child killing and such...I'd forgotten that the final scene pretty much showed that it was Walt that poisoned the kid, what's his name....which is pretty weird, I mean, he had me convinced too that it wasn't him, u know, holding the pistol to his head, telling jesse to kill him if he thought he was a child killer blah blah blah...this is one cold monk, I swear!

Well, next season without Gus, but Mike should be coming back, I hope Hank gets out of bed more too, and I don't like klepto wife all that much, and I don't know, I think those who think Schuyler might come out of the closet more might be correct...she is starting to like that money and do more things with it: paying for Ted's shit, paying for Hank's medical bills...but I"m sure, now that Gus is out of the picture...or I *think* he is....I mean, that dude will need a new face if not...then again...ha ha....

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BTW---Walt NEVER killed any child. Gus did! The little boy(Brock) in the hospital was either killed by Gus or Lily of the Valley. Remember? Jessie said they weren't sure. And the other kids that got killed that were mules for the dealers, that was totally because of Gus. I liked Gus too. But I keep thinking after the old man killed his lover, he was never the same. Totally hardened his heart. So killing was easy for him.

<snip>

I think you got this way wrong...I mean, the whole thing was designed for us to think Gus killed Brock....until that big scene in the hospital, when Jesse was all excited, saying no, it wasn't the Ricin, it was Lilly of the Valley ...and why was Walt there and paying so much attention? Because in the final scene, they show that plant right beside Walt's swimming pool, and what was the plant? Lilly of the Valley...why did Walt try so hard to find out where Jesse was staying? Remember when Jesse was in the bathroom and the phone rang? That's how Walt got Jesse's girlfriend's address....

To me that whole ending was designed to prove that Gus *hadn't* tried to kill Brock...it was *Walt* who did it, and it all ties together....It's always Walt who is playing these macabre games to get Jesse to do what he wants, and what was it Walt wanted more than anything? All those final scenes were designed to show that Walt *had* to get Gus killed, and the only way to do it was to get Jesse involved....Gus's plan was going along just fine until Walt poisoned Brock...that's what fucked it all up for Gus...totally.

And to any Junky, letting someone choke to death, when you can save them, is plain old murder...and Walt's got all kinds of history of murder already....Christ, I"ve lost count, the two mexican guys, his helper...once again, he got Jesse to do the dirty work, but Walt's been steadily killing people....Hell, I felt Gus was a better guy than Walt...not by much, but certainly no worse....After killing Jesse's girlfriend, it was natural for Walt to poison Brock...and that's why the ending was designed the way it was....IMHO of course

--- auto merge ---

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I'm not so sure that Fring was gay or that that was his lover. I do know that Gus had kids. I remember the scene where he and Walt are cooking at his house and Gus mentions how he never gets to eat the dish they're preparing because his kids wont eat it. I think that his first chemist getting shot in front of him pissed him off because not only did he groom him and pay for his education but it was also a major display of disrespect. Whatever his sexual preference Fring seems more about power than sex.

I thought it was made pretty clear in those 'back in time' sequences that it was Gus's lover that got killed...I mean all the latin machismo and all that...just seemed to me pretty obvious that those two were lovers. And also, it's pretty much a Hollywood mandate that not only must one major character be gay, but the writers seem to feel compelled to make the baddest guy in the series a gay man...just like real life, I suppose. Right. But anyway, think back to The Sopranos, or better yet, The Wire, where Omar Little was the killingest killer of them all...and he's was about the most unlikely gay man I"d ever seen, but who knows, wishful thinking among writers or producers or something....so by the time Gus turned out to be gay, I figured yeah, had to happen....

I figure most likely even in final season will be to show the havoc meth creates, and I very much like the idea of Walt Jr becoming a meth head, and palling up with badger and his 'crew' ha ha...I like that one...or fallling in love with Wendy...I"d pay good money to see the look on Schuyler's face when she busts Walt Jr. with Wendy in that dirtbag motel hahaha.....blame in on Uncle Hank, he did the intro...

[chemboy7]

I thought it was made pretty clear in those 'back in time' sequences that it was Gus's lover that got killed...I mean all the latin machismo and all that...just seemed to me pretty obvious that those two were lovers. And also, it's pretty much a Hollywood mandate that not only must one major character be gay, but the writers seem to feel compelled to make the baddest guy in the series a gay man...just like real life, I suppose. Right. But anyway, think back to The Sopranos, or better yet, The Wire, where Omar Little was the killingest killer of them all...and he's was about the most unlikely gay man I"d ever seen, but who knows, wishful thinking among writers or producers or something....so by the time Gus turned out to be gay, I figured yeah, had to happen....

Those are good points; I still don't know that I'm sold on the idea though. It's possible that Gus was gay but if he was why didn't the writers make it a little more obvious? I mean, they wouldn't have had to go all NYPD Blue and do a bed scene but they could have made it a little more clear, especially if they were trying to make a point of it. I dunno, it wouldn't change my opinion of his character I just like to think I have better gaydar than that.

[radioactive_man]

I do believe Hank has to know something is up. After all, that gambling story that Skyler and Walt pulled out of their asses, well I guess they were planning it to be one of those stories that are so crazy it has to be true. Hank isn't stupid. Then there was that whole car accident that Walt and Hank were involved in. I mean, come on that just seemed... well, suspicious. Hank is going to figure it out. What happens when he does will be really interesting to see. Will he join Walt's side or uphold the law like a good DEA agent?

Also, I've seen pictures with Jesse and Walt in the junkyard with the junkyard guy, from season three. I wonder if they are going to start cooking in the junkyard? I can't wait until Sunday!

[Duckfeet]

Those are good points; I still don't know that I'm sold on the idea though. It's possible that Gus was gay but if he was why didn't the writers make it a little more obvious? I mean, they wouldn't have had to go all NYPD Blue and do a bed scene but they could have made it a little more clear, especially if they were trying to make a point of it. I dunno, it wouldn't change my opinion of his character I just like to think I have better gaydar than that.

Yeah, that's just my take on the industry, in this particular case, it's just in that one poolside scene, u know, where they killed his partner, and Hector made all those "kiss kiss" noises and putting them together like that...and of course, that much grief...and how awkward they were about it....it just didn't add up to me any other way....I agree that it wasn't spelled out, and of course, not of that much import, just 'seemed that way' to me....and coming from that Latin American culture anyway, right next to Chile, to be that obsessed with another man, and never to marry afterwards...sure seemed to be the case....

I do believe Hank has to know something is up. After all, that gambling story that Skyler and Walt pulled out of their asses, well I guess they were planning it to be one of those stories that are so crazy it has to be true. Hank isn't stupid. Then there was that whole car accident that Walt and Hank were involved in. I mean, come on that just seemed... well, suspicious. Hank is going to figure it out. What happens when he does will be really interesting to see. Will he join Walt's side or uphold the law like a good DEA agent?

Also, I've seen pictures with Jesse and Walt in the junkyard with the junkyard guy, from season three. I wonder if they are going to start cooking in the junkyard? I can't wait until Sunday!

Yep, I think--and hope--that Hank gets a lot more active in this final season...I mean, I agree, by this time, he knows something's up, and that needs to come into play...he's not stupid, and he's got a real sense of crime, and when things aren't right....If Mike comes back, which like most, I figure is going to happen, and Gus comes back all pissed off because his face has been fucked up (joke) and *somebody* (hopefully walt jr) has to get strung out on this shit...I mean, I"ve never been a speed buy, but that blue shit is starting to look pretty damned good...like you, can't wait!

[digby]

The plot information on this series has been pretty subtle, but very clear. Duckfeet in post #78 pretty much nailed what was what. I think the reason the gay thing with Gus and his partner wasn't blown up more was because the purpose of showing the relationship was only to show why Gus had such a bitter history. Nothing like having the love of your life killed to create a man bound on revenge. It wouldn't have been realistic or practical to have a women as his drug partner - so they went with the obvious solution - gay relationship.

Who knows what the writers will do, but since they are determined to point out the horrible effect the meth industry has on people's lives, I would think Skylar might be next. Already converted to perverted business practice, perverted drug practice or murder would be the next logical step.

[QueenofDenial]

Duckfeet~ You should know, watching this exceptional show, that just because they showed 'Lily of the Valley' in Walt's back yard, does NOT mean he poisoned little Brock.
However, even if he felt he had to do it, he is the one who would know the exact amount to give the kid in order to make him sick, not kill him. And still, I do not believe he did it---although, I still wouldn't dislike him if he did. Walt is too kind to kill a child---poison to the point of hospitalization? Perhaps.

[clinton]

Why do you need Walt to be nice to enjoy the show?

Walts a killer
He's not a nice man

[hella]

I'm pretty sure it was Walt that killed Brock imo and I don't think Gus was gay I think that they were just good friends like brothers ie el pollo hermonos or w/e

But here's how its gonna end. Marie is gonna start doin meth, hank will find out and trace it back to Walt and it'll end with a showdown shoot out with hank killing Walt. Of course there's some more details to it but I can't give it all away

[Princess Kitty]

I'm pretty sure it was Walt that killed Brock imo and I don't think Gus was gay I think that they were just good friends like brothers ie el pollo hermonos or w/e

But here's how its gonna end. Marie is gonna start doin meth, hank will find out and trace it back to Walt and it'll end with a showdown shoot out with hank killing Walt. Of course there's some more details to it but I can't give it all away

I thought that Brock survived.

[thisisthehaunt]

I am pretty sure he did. He was just badly poisoned.

[Disconnect]

hmm. . .

[FACE]

This show has had so many twists and turns that at this point I'm content to avoid the speculation and just watch it pan out. I read so many predictions last season I'm burnt out on that so I'm going old school and avoiding as much info as I can except for recaps.

On another note my girlfriend had NEVER even heard of BB until a few weeks ago when I gleefully announced it's imminent return to which she gave me a blank stare. Fortunately for our relationship she converted quickly and has been marathoning in her free time. I'm just glad to see her watching something other than MTV/Bravo reality shows.

[Michael]

Just something for the breaking bad fans.