Mind Cintrol/psychological warfare just for the sake of it?

[underide]

Just curious -
Do any of you here ever dwell, hear, observe or read anything on the subject matter of mind control and psychological intimidation/warfare?
The cruel kind, that seems to be done not just for shits and giggles but for some elusive gain - as in, for example to further the master-race, eliminate the (percieved) undesirables and to evolve without the weaker strain of gene-pool..
Psychological-eugenics if you like?

Not to come across as overly paranoid and delusional, i'm just trying to get a clearer view of what you folks' ideas or thoughts (experiences?) on this would be..
I have personally observed something very close to a psychological torture/induced psychosis, that was done either out of spite or just for the sake of cruelty, over a prolonged period of time
The subject was bombarded with familiarizing cues, insults, and other offensive conditioning which rather suspiciously coincided with a rather drastic decline into sate of confusion and near madness..

Would it be that far-fetched to think that this kind of behaviour and strategy is actually applied in our rapidly-evolving societies?

I also recently came across this rather creepy but somewhat entertaining website -
http://www.psychologicalharassment.c...nipulation.htm

Check out what they claim as one of the direct side-ffects of - sleep-deprivation:
"Sleep deprivation, insomnia, or sleep loss can lead to depression, acid-base imbalance, inflammation, weight gain, heart disease, stroke, and cancer. "

they actually dare to claim that stress and sleep-deprivation leads DIRECTLY to almost certain demise and death
(i know...WTF??)

This site stinks of someone trying to induce fear and panic to a wider public
But what i found was that their list of strategies seemed to fit almost to a T, with what the aforementioned subject has been exposed to.
It's actually pretty disturbing, but then i'm not ruling out a mere coincidence either

Any thoughts?

[Defense34]

dude almost everyday everyone is exposed to mindgames and psychological attacks, they just don think about it, i mean come on its human nature to try to use your brain to get what you want out of any situation right?

[HydroApe]

Well, I've always thought it a possibility that John lennon's assassin was a programmed Manchurian candidate of sorts.

[underide]

dude almost everyday everyone is exposed to mindgames and psychological attacks, they just don think about it, i mean come on its human nature to try to use your brain to get what you want out of any situation right?

Oh trust me, i'm well aware of our age-old premise of 'mind-games'
and that we ALL - either play or get played by them..
What i meant was - do you really think that this kind of strategy is used on a wider scale, (possibly for some percieved benefit to mankind, no less) to further some certain goal or benefit?
or is the vast majority of 'victims' of such manipulations are just unlucky by default or rather simply by circumstance?
Also i was hoping for some (possible) experiences or observations on this..

What i witnessed seemed more like it was done just for the sake of it and out of cruelty and spite or some fucked up experimentation..

[Defense34]

well seeing as im a crazy mean fuck , i have done this myself to many many people jus to be cruel so yes i have seen that. Now the wide scale part hmm i dont know man, i mean propaganda would seem to support your idea, but if you meant a verbal or subconcious type of his hen im not sure it could be carried out as the human psyche is so radically different from person o person you could really never find a one size fits all approach.

[Michael]

Some forms of advertising is psychological assault and warfare afaic. Like making women feel their bodies are inferior in order to buy their junk. They have to attack our images in order to do this.

[irish]

I've seen regular psychological warfare in Fallujah, by regular I mean that there was nothing subliminal or chemical to increase effectiveness. It was night and we were sweeping houses one at a time street to street, and meeting a fair amount of resistance. I don't know if people are familiar with how typical urban homes are built in Iraq, but they generally have a cement wall surrounding the house, and once inside there tends to be a central stairway that leads all the way to the roof. Anyone who's served, or worked in L.E. can see how hard it would be to clear these homes. They also have a flat roof for sleeping in the hot summers that are a great spot to fire from. Anyways back to the psyops folks. They were using armored humvees with speakers pumping out a loop of children and women screaming like they were being tortured with the laugh from the movie "Predator" overlayed. It got to the point with illumination rounds falling overhead, and muzzle-flashes, gunfire, explosions, and then this horrible sound-track playing over top that made it so freaky and paranoia inducing that even our own guys refused to continue moving forwards if they wouldn't turn off the speakers. This wasn't a very sophisticated op, but it made things a hell of a lot scarier for us, let alone the enemy.

[TheTalkingAsshole]

Well, I've always thought it a possibility that John lennon's assassin was a programmed Manchurian candidate of sorts.

why would the government take out one of its own agents?

[Benz]

There are a lot of people in life that are prize manipulators & have a definite agenda when they're dealing with certain people. I'm not like this but I look out for it in other people.

I think the general public are being manipulated the whole time by the media. Political spin & cover ups are rife, plus it's often in their favour to have the public believe one thing or another. I try not to think too much about government bullshit, it just pisses me off & there's nothing I can do to change it. I think the US alphabet agencies spend more time surveilling people than the UK intelligence agencies do.



Benz

[Snowpod]

Have a read of the CIA's 'MKULTRA' project in the 1960's- it was an effort to gain tools (drugs) that could control the human mind and lead to confessions of spies, programming of commands and black propaganda. Especially in the cold war, the CIA believed that the USSR was capable of mind control and a form of 'psychological warfare' that scared them shitless.As a direct result, masses of civilians were coerced into the CIA's 'experiments' which were highly unsettling.
Because of these ventures into mind games, our understanding of torture and interrogation has become more advanced and twisted. Coalition forces STILL employ the methods learned from project MKULTRA.
During my own training and selection, I had to evade and escape a training team and eventually would be captured and subjected to a mock interrogation which involved: sleep deprivation, white noise, fluorescent lighting and even a female laughing a d

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*continued* and mocking my genitals- only you know that nothing will 'happen' to you..So yes, I do think mind games and psychological warfare is employed on a large scale, ever heard of sound-cannons....?

[JonnyM]

[underide]

^^Lol, i really should've known that was coming back when i was starting that thread..
Can't complain though, i guess.

Oh and ofcourse i have read about CIA's MKULTRA and the US/Soviet cold-war experiments with mind control.
That wasn't quite what i was talking about in this thread though.
It was actually more along the lines of what Benz is talking about here.

Another thing that intrigued me about the whole thing, is that a lot of what i'm talking about could actually happen subliminally and without any froward agenda aimed at any certain 'target' of manipulation.
It's basically the survival and perseverance of one's ideology and character opposed to another.

Interesting subject, but ofcourse quite impossible to avoid the aspect of 'paranoia' or being perceived as such when talking about it - comes with the territory i guess.

[Opiofiend]

Just curious -
Do any of you here ever dwell, hear, observe or read anything on the subject matter of mind control and psychological intimidation/warfare?
The cruel kind, that seems to be done not just for shits and giggles but for some elusive gain - as in, for example to further the master-race, eliminate the (percieved) undesirables and to evolve without the weaker strain of gene-pool..
Psychological-eugenics if you like?

Not to come across as overly paranoid and delusional, i'm just trying to get a clearer view of what you folks' ideas or thoughts (experiences?) on this would be..
I have personally observed something very close to a psychological torture/induced psychosis, that was done either out of spite or just for the sake of cruelty, over a prolonged period of time
The subject was bombarded with familiarizing cues, insults, and other offensive conditioning which rather suspiciously coincided with a rather drastic decline into sate of confusion and near madness..

Would it be that far-fetched to think that this kind of behaviour and strategy is actually applied in our rapidly-evolving societies?

I also recently came across this rather creepy but somewhat entertaining website -
http://www.psychologicalharassment.c...nipulation.htm

Check out what they claim as one of the direct side-ffects of - sleep-deprivation:
"Sleep deprivation, insomnia, or sleep loss can lead to depression, acid-base imbalance, inflammation, weight gain, heart disease, stroke, and cancer. "

they actually dare to claim that stress and sleep-deprivation leads DIRECTLY to almost certain demise and death
(i know...WTF??)

This site stinks of someone trying to induce fear and panic to a wider public
But what i found was that their list of strategies seemed to fit almost to a T, with what the aforementioned subject has been exposed to.
It's actually pretty disturbing, but then i'm not ruling out a mere coincidence either

Any thoughts?

I read an article recently that brokedown how the theatre massacre in co done by that dude who was studing neuroscience fits the bill for govt type mind control. It broke down how he fit the mold, and that an unemployed grad student shouldnt have either the means and.or the knowledge to pull of what he did. If I can find it again, ill post it. I wouldve done it earlier, but everytime I do I get a ton of naysayes who just scream "conspiracy theorist" while ignoring the blatant facts, and it gets old quick.Yout post reignited my balls to post whatever the fuck I want

[underide]

^^
I don't know, man.
I think i might have read something similar about the man - Holmes, myself, but i still tend to believe that he was just some dude who either had a very inflated sense of ego or self-worth as opposed to most people or quite simply lost the plot and was just plain barking-mad and went on a violent rampage.
It's not so hard to believe that these-days either.

I saw certain people on other forums also express their disbelief at how he could afford over $20,000 (or something) worth of weaponry, etc, but i'm rather curious as to why that's so hard to believe nowadays - how about student loans or other means of income, for instance?
And it doesn't exactly require rocket science to pull off what he did, either.

But ofcourse that's just my own stance on that particular matter - i am by no means trying to repute your personal opinion on this.

[Just1Fix]

Fuck- life itself is intimidation thru mind control... gov't runs the world, most gov't anymore is democratic & vote based.. Given that people still vote en masse and most people don't trust gov't, yet many still vote... If that ain't fuckin mind control in its most blatant form, I'm not sure what is...

You can say "I'm voting my conscience", "that's the point of democracy" or "voting is constitutional duty" and "If you don't vote things can't change"... As I see it, whoever gets elected is gonna feed the populous a shit sandwich and 'change' etc is non existent- the system only becomes ever more corrupt and yet the people still vote hoping for 'better'...

I do think there is most definitely more deviant types of psychological intimidation around- military, alphabet groups, odd factions etc.. As long as a % of people have a 'follower' mentality, there will be people looking to control & exploit the 'followers'... Humanity has always sought out ways to have a greater 'control' of people whether its thru politics, religion, laws, military, etc...

[duck]

I've seen regular psychological warfare in Fallujah, by regular I mean that there was nothing subliminal or chemical to increase effectiveness. It was night and we were sweeping houses one at a time street to street, and meeting a fair amount of resistance. I don't know if people are familiar with how typical urban homes are built in Iraq, but they generally have a cement wall surrounding the house, and once inside there tends to be a central stairway that leads all the way to the roof. Anyone who's served, or worked in L.E. can see how hard it would be to clear these homes. They also have a flat roof for sleeping in the hot summers that are a great spot to fire from. Anyways back to the psyops folks. They were using armored humvees with speakers pumping out a loop of children and women screaming like they were being tortured with the laugh from the movie "Predator" overlayed. It got to the point with illumination rounds falling overhead, and muzzle-flashes, gunfire, explosions, and then this horrible sound-track playing over top that made it so freaky and paranoia inducing that even our own guys refused to continue moving forwards if they wouldn't turn off the speakers. This wasn't a very sophisticated op, but it made things a hell of a lot scarier for us, let alone the enemy.

Wow, that is pretty insane. Would definitely fuck with me.

[Opiofiend]

^^
I don't know, man.
I think i might have read something similar about the man - Holmes, myself, but i still tend to believe that he was just some dude who either had a very inflated sense of ego or self-worth as opposed to most people or quite simply lost the plot and was just plain barking-mad and went on a violent rampage.
It's not so hard to believe that these-days either.

I saw certain people on other forums also express their disbelief at how he could afford over $20,000 (or something) worth of weaponry, etc, but i'm rather curious as to why that's so hard to believe nowadays - how about student loans or other means of income, for instance?
And it doesn't exactly require rocket science to pull off what he did, either.

But ofcourse that's just my own stance on that particular matter - i am by no means trying to repute your personal opinion on this.

It didnt take a rocket, or neuroscientist, to put a clip in the gun and pull the trigger. Thats not where the ?'s come in. It was the booby trapping of his apt that raised all the ?'s. The FBI and bomb guys said it was one of the most intricately designed set of bomb traps they have ever come across. They said that a normal science student would never be able to gather the required knowledge, let alone the materials to build such contraptions without some sort of outside influence. Like I said, its just something interesting to consider, and the more you learn about how shady our govt has been over the years the less unlikely this kinda shit seems.

[Fat Pie]

I read an article recently that brokedown how the theatre massacre in co done by that dude who was studing neuroscience fits the bill for govt type mind control. It broke down how he fit the mold, and that an unemployed grad student shouldnt have either the means and.or the knowledge to pull of what he did. If I can find it again, ill post it. I wouldve done it earlier, but everytime I do I get a ton of naysayes who just scream "conspiracy theorist" while ignoring the blatant facts, and it gets old quick.Yout post reignited my balls to post whatever the fuck I want

It didnt take a rocket, or neuroscientist, to put a clip in the gun and pull the trigger. Thats not where the ?'s come in. It was the booby trapping of his apt that raised all the ?'s. The FBI and bomb guys said it was one of the most intricately designed set of bomb traps they have ever come across. They said that a normal science student would never be able to gather the required knowledge, let alone the materials to build such contraptions without some sort of outside influence. Like I said, its just something interesting to consider, and the more you learn about how shady our govt has been over the years the less unlikely this kinda shit seems.

In the age of the internet, you can look all that stuff up, and he certainly had the intelligence to do it. He spent thousands of dollars on weapons (all traceable; again, all through the internet as opposed to gun stores), which he stockpiled over months and months to avoid suspicion, and was able to afford them via savings and possibly even diverted grant fees.

The big question though, if we're talking conspiracy, is what was the motive, and what did it achieve?

We have a smart, antisocial, loner madman previously desribed as a nice guy by all who knew him who had a great career in front of him that was beginning to go wrong (this may have sparked off a nihilsm in him which graduated to outright insanity, not as in a court of law defense, but in thinking his actions were valid), a theatre full of people in a random city watching a movie he aimed to somewhat emulate by slaughtering them, thus gaining infamy (he sent a layout of his scheme to his psychiatrist several days before the shooting, but it was apparently only discovered after everything had happened), a plan executed to kill as many people as possibly but at the end of the day little more than a shooting spree (his was just more effective than most), and a plan to kill police that was foiled.

So what's the aim here? All that's come up so far is an argument over gun laws.

This never struck me as anything more than the random surprise and chaos that all lone gunmen hope to invoke, to have people questioning their motives and trying to understand why they did what they did, which is inherently incomprehensible, since their actions stemmed from a deranged mind, for people to look for meaning in all this, a bigger motive than 'I just wanted to kill people', when that's all he wanted to do (at the core of it, dying his hair to kinda resemble The Joker aside) in a 'shit happens' universe where this kind of thing occurs all the time.

Seriously, all the time:



People have always done things like this, for no more reason than the above, and it will keep happening. Some people look for conspiracy ('he couldn't have done it alone'/'he shouldn't have been able to do it'), others blame fiction ('a decline in moral standards'/'violent movies/videogames make murderers out of people'), some blame guns ('if we banned guns there would be no shooting sprees'/'guns are to blame') etc. Mark David Chapman's supposed excuse was 'The Catcher in the Rye'; James Holmes' will be 'The Dark Night Rises'.

That's the way I see it anyhow. I don't see any bigger meaning to it, or a real pattern that screams 'government mind control', which as a concept has been tried for everything from psyops involving the CIA using massive doses of LSD in MKUltra to subliminal advertising, and has never really been proven to work under close scrutiny to any substantial (i.e. Manchurian Candidate) degree. The guy who started subliminal advertising even admitted later on that he'd faked his results in order to generate interest in the idea and thus get people to give him money for his advice/consultancy.

As always, I am willing to be proved wrong.

[Junkette]

I took a great class in college called totalitarianism and thought control. Pretty much the media, movies, the Internet are all tools for the propaganda machine. They ways in which we are controlled are so subversive as to be unnoticable unless you are constantly on guard, I'm skeptical about all information I receive and am very careful about what I expose myself to.

[Opiofiend]

I took a great class in college called totalitarianism and thought control. Pretty much the media, movies, the Internet are all tools for the propaganda machine. They ways in which we are controlled are so subversive as to be unnoticable unless you are constantly on guard, I'm skeptical about all information I receive and am very careful about what I expose myself to.

ITs SOO true. The whole news/media is used to "filter" what they want us to see, think, and believe. The last few years or so have been all aout fear. Filling us with fear of natural disasters, terrorists, global climate problems, clowns (had to throw something funny in there)? Call me what you want, but i truly believe a small group of the rich and powerful decide on what and how to deseminate to the global population. I dont think its all done by one group at one meeting-ie bilderbergs, council on foreign relations, etc. But i think agendas are definitely set and spread through the various realms these ppl control, none bigger and more effective then the media. Like i keep saying, ignorance truly is bliss. The more you found out, the less you really want to know.