Your Favorite Opioid

[Matt]

Heroin.

Buprenorphine is the solid second because it has saved my ass from the agonies of heroin withdrawal many times and has been nothing but wonderful to me during my breaks from dope. It is my life jacket when I start to drown.

[Fat Pie]

Buprenorphine is the solid second because it has saved my ass from the agonies of heroin withdrawal many times and has been nothing but wonderful to me during my breaks from dope. It is my life jacket when I start to drown.

Amen to that.

[opi]

Oxycodone my first love, I love it's speedy euphoric high. Heroin is a close second, but it is too sedating for me, though it's warmth is awesome, something that oxycodone is lacking.

[ausativa]

morphine is my drug of choice, followed by some good raw heroin, then after that, it is pretty much whatever i can get my hands on..


how about LEAST favorite opiates/opioids:

tramadol
hydrocodone (unless CWE'd in doses 200mg or more.)
codeine
oxycodone
fent.

i just dont like the cold high that someone above has described. i need the pinz and needlez and my warm blanket, and my binky.... WHERE IS MY BINKY!!!!!

[Snake_Eyes]

I'll be the oddball and pick hydrocodone.

I've only done hydro and oxy(percocet) and I prefered the body high that hydro gives.

[Nagelfar]

I'll be the oddball and pick hydrocodone.

I've only done hydro and oxy(percocet) and I prefered the body high that hydro gives.

Well, many do prefer Dilaudid to instant release generics of Opana. Since hydrocodone & oxycodone both metabolize to those other more potent drugs through first pass in the liver, I suppose one could favor one over the other.

Though I'd venture to guess a low tolerance has more to do with it; seeing as oxycodone is much more active before it is metabolized than hydrocodone is. Also the APAP in all varieties of pharmaceutical hydrocodone would intuitively make one judge it as generally having more bodily wear.

Some do enjoy the synergy of some APAP with their opioids, though you do specifically mention your oxycodone as percocets (or is this just a main constituent labeling clarification?) so there wouldn't be such a contrast in that example, otherwise I'd suggest to try oxycodone with Tylenol.

[Sinderella]

Back before I got on methadone my favorite was fentanyl.. But this was back 8yrs ago(god i cant believe its been that fucking long) and I had access to the actiq 1600mcg lollipops for $20 each.. I would cut the lil deal off the bottom that had the name and dosage on it and would go just about everywhere with one stuck in my mouth.. The 1600's would last me most all day long..

I did oxy's and hydro's back then alot too.. it was about what was available,which doctors appt I had that week and so on..

[hydrophile]

I figured H would be number 1 and I get that I just couldn't rely on street quality to treat CP gotta have the consistency that a pill gives. Now if I could maybe get some pure medical H all the time that might be something. But I still think I'd chose the Ds in the end all in all.

[Nagelfar]

I would like to know what kind of rush intravenous 7-hydroxymitragynine has.

I would be guessing that it would be somewhere between hydromorphone & oxymorphone, due to its potency. Yet however (and although it's closer to being so than say, Fentanyl) it is not a morphinan like those two are. So knowing the rush is a prospect that really intrigues me in that capacity (its divergent configuration from other so administered opioids).

[Snake_Eyes]

Well, many do prefer Dilaudid to instant release generics of Opana. Since hydrocodone & oxycodone both metabolize to those other more potent drugs through first pass in the liver, I suppose one could favor one over the other.

Though I'd venture to guess a low tolerance has more to do with it; seeing as oxycodone is much more active before it is metabolized than hydrocodone is. Also the APAP in all varieties of pharmaceutical hydrocodone would intuitively make one judge it as generally having more bodily wear.

Some do enjoy the synergy of some APAP with their opioids, though you do specifically mention your oxycodone as percocets (or is this just a main constituent labeling clarification?) so there wouldn't be such a contrast in that example, otherwise I'd suggest to try oxycodone with Tylenol.

My only experience with oxy is 5mg percocets. I have read that pure oxy is so much better but impossible to find where I live. I have practically zero tolerance so two of these gets me a good high but the high is really short lasting and just leaves me disappointed and wanting more. When I got into the opiate game I set two rules for myself....never redose and no more than one day a week.

I'm mainly a pothead so weed and benzos fulfill my urge to get high in between.

[Nagelfar]

I have practically zero tolerance

I figured as much. When I started, 20mg oxycodone got me where I wanted, hydrocodone never did much, but I dabbled with IV heroin before I ever touched pharmaceuticals. It's odd, but sometimes you have to bring your tolerance 'up' to enjoy the glow of certain opiates.

[hydrophile]

I would be careful with the benzos to man. That monkey is a bitch to. Thank god I've been able to dodge that one.

[Nagelfar]

That monkey is a bitch to

From what I hear, a worse one. With less positive to be had from it. I've never derived much pleasure from 'diazepines on their own, that's for sure. Though I've heard people with dual habits (opiates too) go into detail of the horrors of benzo withdrawal. I've also seen them not able to enjoy their dope until they are 'benzo-well'

[Fat Pie]

That monkey is a bitch to.

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Damned monkeys.

[pliers]

Heroin every time, but hydro was great when I had no tolerance. One of my best highs was from a guaf/hydro syrup, that was my first nod ever.

[Snake_Eyes]

I would be careful with the benzos to man. That monkey is a bitch to. Thank god I've been able to dodge that one.

Oh I am. Before I started doing anything (besides weed) I did a lot of reading on both opiates and benzos so I've read the horror stories on how bad the w/d are.

I'm prescribed temazepam and ativan, I only use the ativan (1mg) a couple times a month (if that) when my anxiety is really bad. The temazepam (30mg) I'm prescribed daily for sleeping issues due to back pain but I really only use them 1-2 times a week so I don't become dependent...occasionally I'll substitute a xanax bar if I really want to get messed up. I can definitely see the allure people have to benzos, benzos and weed is a complete mind fuck (in a fun way) while weed and opiates IMO is simply heaven.

Anyways thanks for the warnings I'll be sure not to take either lightly.

[borohydride]

Where is the dextromoramide option? Where is the dipipanone option? Where is the levorphanol option?

Kind of US-centric.... The EU has better opioids...

[Nagelfar]

Where is the dextromoramide option? Where is the dipipanone option? Where is the levorphanol option?

Kind of US-centric.... The EU has better opioids...

True it is biased toward the States. No Paralaudin etc. Yet I see no staples like Demerol either, so the list is just altogether lacking.

[hydrophile]

Yea man I hear ya on the research thing I was the only one in my group of friends in high school that actually knew what all the pills were and what the were safe to mix with and what they were used for medically so on and so fourth but I never saw it coming until it was to late. Getting them for other people telling them to be careful if I was getting them for them regularly but you never can seem to apply that shit to yourself for some reason. Now that I'm a CPP it helps keep me in check but I had my addiction before my back pain so it makes shit 10X as hard. It's good your watching your benzo doses I would prolly be taking it way to much for half the month and then taking some time off.

[Doublewire]

True it is biased toward the States. No Paralaudin etc. Yet I see no staples like Demerol either, so the list is just altogether lacking.

Guys, there are a maximum of 10 options. I should have put methadone and bupe maybe, for people who have derived the most benefit from them, but give me a break here.

[Nagelfar]

Guys, there are a maximum of 10 options. I should have put methadone and bupe maybe, for people who have derived the most benefit from them, but give me a break here.

Me and borohydride could hold you to using classes and labeling those that fell into them in brackets after; e.g. "morphinones (hydrocodone, hydromorphone)" & "morphinan esters (heroin, codeine)", to cover the use of more options. ;-p heh.

[borohydride]

How about Tilidine - an opioid (prodrug) & a DRI in one... Massive problem in Germany & Austria.

Of course, nortilidine is x2 M. It is chemically unrelated to any other opioids but by George it's good stuff!



Tilidine is a prodrug. Nortilidine is active... a secondary amine at that....


Try overlaying the scaffold with methamphetamine, for example...

[PoppyLlama]

I've always wanted to try nortilidine, but buying that kinda shit off the net is just so sketchy.

I chose fentanyl for two reasons: one-nothing else works nearly as good as fent patches for my chronic pain.
and two because smoking fent is like the closest I think I'll get to feeling the rush of injecting a drug--so strong and such a fast come up. It's great. Just doesn't last NEARLY long enough.

second favorite would be oxymorphone, then heroin, then oxycodone, then morphine, then hydrocodone, then methadone, then hydrmorphone.

I really wanna try pods though.

[anonb]

lol tilidine isnt a massiv problem in Ger or Austria, in fact it's not even prescribed in Austria . Although I realy enjoy tilidine, it's like oxy-light, stimmy at lower doses and gets more sedating with higher doses... 200mg Tilidine ER was just awesome... being high for 12h, first 3h being stimmy and then it was more sedating. My fav opioid is Oxy although I reaaaly enjoy dhc aswell.

edit: there should be Kratom as an option too, I love kratom although it's certainly not as strong as oxy or H

[borohydride]

http://www.tvbvideo.de/video/iLyROoafYmw1.html

I only posted 1 story.... want another 1000 to prove tilidine is a huge problem?

[anonb]

I'm sorry but that's pure propaganda ... I was so angry when the media started picking on this whole tilidine stuff 2 years ago... you honestly must not believe every shit that the media tells you. I can find you a lot of stories from German sites that tilidine is supposed to be misused a lot blabla but that's simply not true, it has to do more with the German drug policy which I honestly HATE. Mechthild Dyckmans and Sabine Bätzings (the last 2 drug czars) were just trying to scare the people away from drugs instead of clarifying what drugs realy are.

Btw SWIM has had tilidine a lot of times himself, in fact the first time he tried it was around the time when the media started picking on tilidine and SWIM realy wondered how somebody could be agressive or in a fight while being on tilidine ?! Yes, 25-50mg is a nice stimmy dose but you still feel pretty peaceful and it does not feel like you would fight because of anger but because of fun with a friend or so.

My last point is that tildiine is not even prescribed in Austria and as far as I know the people here can't realy get hold of it. Ofc here and there might be a bottle of tilidine but the regular druggy won't find tilidine easy. Sorry Boro but it's honestly 95% shit when it comes to news about drugs in the media... Germanys drugpolicy is unbelievably bad.

Here, if somebody of you guys can speak German and wants to have a little laugh an article about tilidine from Germany worst tabloid: http://www.bild.de/news/vermischtes/...3976.bild.html

[borohydride]

Well, the fact that they began adding naloxone suggests that abuse was a problem. The pharma companies wouldn't add cost just for fun.

Bild is rubbish but I've seen some better papers go on about it. I guess they did the same with E in the UK, but I know many doctors now refuse to prescribe it. I heard Muslims use it because 'it's a medicine' not a drug... dunno if that's true.

The Czech republic has similar press on the stuff... and the Swiss.

[anonb]

As I mentioned above the media just gives a lot of wrong information, yea tilidine is mixed with nalaxone (Valoron N brand, 8% nalaxon) BUT this was made in the early 90's I think just so you don't need a BTM prescription for the stuff and the media says it's a problem which developed recently. The adolescents only do like 25-50mg I can't imagine anyone fighting on 100mg+, you would be too sedated to beat someone up.

I think it's not even being prescribed in the czech republic although I'm not 100% sure. I'm so pissed about Germanys drugpolicy... here a quote from Germanys wikipedia (looks like you can understand some German if you read a few German articles?):

In der Vergangenheit wurde in verschiedenen Medien behauptet, Tilidin mache aggressiv.[14] Da eine solche Wirkung von Tilidin in der Schmerztherapie unbekannt ist, scheint dies auf den ersten Blick wenig plausibel. Mindestens eine Reportage befasste sich in diesem Zusammenhang ausschließlich mit jugendlichen Konsumenten, die offenkundig einem kleinkriminellen Milieu angehörten. Dies legt den Schluss nahe, dass hierbei vor allem soziokulturelles Umfeld und Mentalität des Konsumenten ursächlich sind, wenn die durch Tilidin hervorgerufene Euphorie und Anxiolyse zu Gewalttätigkeiten führt, wie sie auch bei Alkoholkonsum zu ähnlichem Verhalten führen können.

Translation: There have been a few reports that tilidine would make people agressive, since these effects have not occured in any clinical context of pain patients these effects don't seem to be plausible. At least one report only had a view on adolescent consuments who would descend from a criminal millieu. This leads to the conclusion that these incidents are not to blame on the effects of tilidine but the mentality and mindset of the consumer himself, tilidine has euphoric and anxiolytic effects which might have triggered the consumers to fight but alcohol would have done the same.

I just want to clarify what tilidine realy is, I hate this fucking German propaganda on drugs -.- I'm so glad that I finally moved away from there... the policy here isn't too good but way better than in Germany.

[Doublewire]

second favorite would be oxymorphone, then heroin, then oxycodone, then morphine, then hydrocodone, then methadone, then hydrmorphone.

That is.. interesting. You like hydrocodone and methadone more than hydromorphone? I've never tried methadone, so I don't actually know how enjoyable it is, but those are some interesting preferences. How does that work?

I guess, in retrospect, I never really took an equipotent dose of hydrocodone to 'morphone. Most I ever took was like 22.5mg, compared to 4 of hydromorphone. Also oral is always kind of underwhelming compared to intranasal, especially with depressants. Whatever the substance, dose, or ROA, depressants have always kind of seemed like background noise to me. This is due to a lack of experience obviously, but I have a feeling they'll always be more subtle than many other classes of drugs because they're less about the mental aspect and more about the physical aspect, I think. I like "thinking" drugs.

[PoppyLlama]

yeah I had HydroM a couple times and I would snort it but it was just totally not good enough feeling.
and methadone has a great euphoria at higher doses (since I'm not an everyday user) and it lasts a longass time which is great