Mu Synergetics Review

[jimmyfingers]

I am at 172 right now and burn 5 grams.

[Count Zero]

I'm not sure weight matters all that much, although you guys are pretty light. FWIW I'm about 190 and I generally burn about 8-10 gs. I think. I'd start at no more than 5 and go up from there, mainly because doing too much can cause some unpleasant reactions, like "wobbly eyes" which I've never had but sounds unpleasant and the jitters, which I have had and is definitely unpleasant. Like everything else start low and go up from there after an hour or so if you want more, I find it a pretty subtle drug and that doing more after the first dose doesn't really do much and is usually sort of a waste.

[Dr. McKay]

Does anyone every use kratom and get very shaky and also get very sweaty armpits ?

Only certain types do this to me.

I also have noticed if I take a smaller amount this seems to happen more often.

Also the new Enhanced Blends that Mu Carries are they worth the extra money ? It would be nice to have to take less. I get sick of swallowing 24-25 pills at a time.

I go through a bag of 1000 0 caps in about 1 week.

[alpha]

I would definatly reccomend using capsules instead of taking them bu mixing with drinks or applesauce...

I whole heartedly agree that a capping machine and caps (00 size seem to work best for most people) is the way to go. I've used the Moka pot ? Espresso machine method before, and it works well, but still the taste is something you need to hold your nose while drinking, or it will come right back up.

I also used something called the 'parachute' method, but that went horribly horribly wrong. Picture 2 tablespoons of powder loosely wrapped in a sheet of single ply TP. The idea is to just get a mouthful of liquid, and throw the parachute down the old sluice canal as you are swallowing that mouthful of liquid. Works great when there's enough liquid and the 'chute is small enough to ride the wave, so to speak, but make the 'chute a little too big and it get's stuck in the old throat pipe.

OK, so, not to panic here, don't want to inhale, get another glass of water and swallow, and try to send the chute down the pipe, but now the tight package starts to soak up the liquid like a sponge, completely closing off my throat and ability to breathe. I manage to croak out "Fuck, this ain't right" while my brother is literally spasming with laughter. You see, before all this, I was telling him how much better Kratom is than Subs, you just have to get it down. "Check it out, this is the best way." To which he says "Yeeah, until it gets caught in your throat".

So after he regains his composure from laughing, he grabs me around the waist and gives me the Heimlich, dislodging the Krato-chute from my throat in an explosive mess, with green powder splattered all over the wall and counter top, as well as up my sinuses, out my nose and into my eyes.

Suffice it to say that was the last time I ever attempted to parachute Kratom.

[HydroApe]

You really need to master the art of the toss n wash.
I swear, once you get it down (no pun intended) it's a piece of cake.
Big spoondull, quick dump in the burner, lot's of beverage of choice chaser. Done.

[dharma bum]

Does anyone every use kratom and get very shaky ?

Only certain types do this to me.

I also have noticed if I take a smaller amount this seems to happen more often.

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This is what's going on with me. I burned 7-8 grams yesterday evening and noticed a little shakiness and nausea but after a couple hours I started feeling OK. This morning I took only 4 grams and I've had the eye wobbles and shakiness. I've only used opiates no more than 10 different days over the last 8 months and nothing for 6 weeks prior to this. Maybe it's because my tolly is so low. I've got other enhanced blends but I though I'd stick to BRV for now. I guess I'll have to keep experimenting.

Oh, I was extremely irritable too. I was freaking friends and family out, I'm normally so passive and chill like whatevs. I didn't think that was a big dose for me. I'm a big dude anyway. 6'3"--230 lb.

[dharma bum]

Addendum: Ok, I just had to even out the incense in my burner to let it heat evenly. I never would have thought I'd believe in that new age aromathreapy crap, but here I am, another convert. Goodbye lope. I've met a new way to maintain.

[HydroApe]

Great Company. They'll go above and beyond for their customers.
Their products are fantastic.
That said, the new FSE is nothing like the previous FST.
However, Just as UEI and FST were Speciosa proprietary products, I still think there was something more in them than just Kratom and Kratom extract.
Who knows? They were just too potent and addicting for some reason and far too "smooth" from any other kratom product I've ever experienced. And that's a LOT my friends.

[Dr. McKay]

I was wondering the same thing...What if a company throws a liitle bit of this and that opaiete in the mix, and viola.....They have thee hottest kratom product around!

[JonnyM]

I was wondering the same thing...What if a company throws a liitle bit of this and that opaiete in the mix, and viola.....They have thee hottest kratom product around!

They would also have a lawsuit and criminal charges too.

[Goldmund]

just got my package today!!! the samples are not labelled with weight, and we have no scale, so perhaps i will upload a picture and someone can advise...so....to start things off.

16 DROPS of FSE ....waited 15 minutes then 2 FULL but not heaping (somewhere in between) TEAspoons of BRV....

and now, about 1.5 hours later, we have so much energy....but i must say, we would like to feel pretty sedated in some hours, after works is finished..

ANY ADVICE about how much more BRV to burn??? we are 111 and 121 pounds....any help is much appreciated

[alpha]

FSE is probably what's giving you the energy. I would suggest sticking with 2 tsp BRV, maybe go up to 3. Don't expect more to always mean more effect, there is a break zone where too much is counterproductive, and likely to make you puke. The key with kratom is finding your sweet spot. Also, you should wait at least 4-5 hours since you last dosed, otherwise you're just wasting good kratom.

[Goldmund]

we decided on two more heaping teaspoons of bRV followed by a nice chard and spinish pasta....thank you for the good advice...anybody else want to chime in?

[radioactive_man]

I really enjoyed the Kalimantan special grade. Then again I'm a big fan of the red veins(hahaha), er strains.

I am going to try some of their Enhanced Red Indonesian next time I place an order. Has anyone had a chance to try it yet?

[Dr. McKay]

They would also have a lawsuit and criminal charges too.

Of course tey would...But I havee heard rumors of stuff like UEI and FST containing other things besides just plain olf kratom..not sure what it may be what they think it may be, but I seriously doubt it.

I am very curious about their new enhanced blends .. Before all they had was UES, which was too speedy for me. So one of the red vein enhanced blends sounds good to me. Anyone know about how much stronger they are compared to regular grinded up whole leaf I currently have to take at least 10 grams to feel alright.

[AndiPandi]

I really enjoyed the Kalimantan special grade. Then again I'm a big fan of the red veins(hahaha), er strains.

I am going to try some of their Enhanced Red Indonesian next time I place an order. Has anyone had a chance to try it yet?

I was just coming here to comment on those two.

So, I'm kicking a 90-120 mg/day opana er and 60-120 mg/day oxy habit. Opana has been done either iv or insufflated and oxy has usually been oral to give you a guage of what my habit is like. I tried my hardest to ween myself down and lower my tolerance. But if I could do that, I probably wouldn't need to use Kratom. :/

I got the relaxing sample and the top shelf sample. Basically, I wanted to try a bunch of the red strains. :-D The ones that have worked the best for me has been Kalimantan special grade and Thai red dragon. I'm finding that after the first day I've been able to dose 5g and feel comfortable. I'm not getting any type of sedation, but I'm not looking for that, just a tool to get off the doomed path I was on.

I'm still dealing with some of the sypmtoms of wd, but most are minor and can be dealt with with other means. Now, I am smoking copius amounts of weed. I think without the weed I would be suffering and have to take more.

The Enhanced Red Indonesian was nice and enough to hold me well for a few hrs the first day. I want to say the sample was about 3 g worth but my thinking is a little fuzzy and i could be talking out my ass. I'm saving the FSE for a few weeks to see if I'll have any noticeable effects.

I'm sure I could stand to dose more. However I'm wanting to try some of these strains when my habit is gone and maybe I'll feel a little something. Or if I happen to have a bad pain day. I have found it to be effective on my back pain but has done little for my nerve pain.

Overall, I've been extremely happy with my purchase and would do it again in a heartbeat to either detox or maintain a habit. Does anyone have any idea how long I should take this before it becomes a problem? I was thinking by day 5 I should be ok. That's usually the magic number for me and subs.

[Woody Bear]

I'm kicking a 90-120 mg/day opana er and 60-120 mg/day oxy habit. Opana has been done either iv or insufflated and oxy has usually been oral to give you a guage of what my habit is like. ...
The ones that have worked the best for me has been Kalimantan special grade and Thai red dragon. I'm finding that after the first day I've been able to dose 5g and feel comfortable
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The Enhanced Red Indonesian was nice and enough to hold me well for a few hrs the first day. I want to say the sample was about 3 g worth but my thinking is a little fuzzy and i could be talking out my ass. I'm saving the FSE for a few weeks to see if I'll have any noticeable effects.
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Overall, I've been extremely happy with my purchase and would do it again in a heartbeat to either detox or maintain a habit. Does anyone have any idea how long I should take this before it becomes a problem? I was thinking by day 5 I should be ok. That's usually the magic number for me and subs.

That's great that you've been able to step down from an extremely high Opana + Oxy daily dose to taking 3-5g Kratom and have it work for you. I take 10-20 mg oxycodone 1 - 2 days per week, and I find that 6 g Bali Kratom was too much for me, but then when I did 4 g Bali last night it wasn't enough.

When you say, "Does anyone have any idea how long I should take this before it becomes a problem? I was thinking by day 5 I should be ok." It's hard to say. It depends what you mean by problem. If you mean, "How many days can I take it before I become dependent?" Then the answer is if you're currently opioid dependent from taking oxy, Opana or heroin, then switching to Kratom won't end your opioid dependence. Your brain doesn't care which opioid you take to stimulate it's receptors, if you're dependent to one opioid, then your dependence doesn't end when you switch to another.

So if switch from daily Opana to daily Kratom then when you stop taking the Kratom, then your withdrawal symptoms are going to continue. You can't get doublely addicted to Opana and Kratom, as they both affect the same receptors. It's like if someone alcohol dependent who only drinks vodka, but not beer or whiskey, it's not true to say they are addicted to vodka but they aren't addicted to other type's of alcohol. As far as your brain is concerned, one type of alcohol is essentially the same as another type, provide each drink contains the same amount of ethanol in it.

However, if you switch from taking one opioid to another, there is cross-tolerance, and if you switch down to a lower dose, then your tolerance will decrease as your brains opioid receptors adjust to being stimulated less. A lot of people report that they find it easier to switch from heroin to kratom and then stop the kratom, then jumping from heroin to nothing.

This is the same way as people quitting morphine have an easier time if they jump from morphine to codeine for a few days, and then quit. Because it's like tapering down from a high dose of methadone down to a few mg before quitting, instead of stopping the methadone with 30 mg being their last dose.

[alowishus]

Dropped an order on MU the other day, just kind-a picked a couple things at random - shipped and received ASAP.
Made no mention of being a member here....

What I've tried so far has been outstanding; comparably to other sites.
Got me some samples and a hand written 'Thank You' note (looks like it was written by a girls hand - much too neat to be a mans).
Looked into, but did not buy any, of the other stuff on the site - was very intrigued by a couple of things that will be picked up at some point.

Easy peasy - will certainly be a repeat customer.

[AndiPandi]

That's great that you've been able to step down from an extremely high Opana + Oxy daily dose to taking 3-5g Kratom and have it work for you. I take 10-20 mg oxycodone 1 - 2 days per week, and I find that 6 g Bali Kratom was too much for me, but then when I did 4 g Bali last night it wasn't enough.

When you say, "Does anyone have any idea how long I should take this before it becomes a problem? I was thinking by day 5 I should be ok." It's hard to say. It depends what you mean by problem. If you mean, "How many days can I take it before I become dependent?" Then the answer is if you're currently opioid dependent from taking oxy, Opana or heroin, then switching to Kratom won't end your opioid dependence. Your brain doesn't care which opioid you take to stimulate it's receptors, if you're dependent to one opioid, then your dependence doesn't end when you switch to another.

So if switch from daily Opana to daily Kratom then when you stop taking the Kratom, then your withdrawal symptoms are going to continue. You can't get doublely addicted to Opana and Kratom, as they both affect the same receptors. It's like if someone alcohol dependent who only drinks vodka, but not beer or whiskey, it's not true to say they are addicted to vodka but they aren't addicted to other type's of alcohol. As far as your brain is concerned, one type of alcohol is essentially the same as another type, provide each drink contains the same amount of ethanol in it.

However, if you switch from taking one opioid to another, there is cross-tolerance, and if you switch down to a lower dose, then your tolerance will decrease as your brains opioid receptors adjust to being stimulated less. A lot of people report that they find it easier to switch from heroin to kratom and then stop the kratom, then jumping from heroin to nothing.

This is the same way as people quitting morphine have an easier time if they jump from morphine to codeine for a few days, and then quit. Because it's like tapering down from a high dose of methadone down to a few mg before quitting, instead of stopping the methadone with 30 mg being their last dose.

A big thank you! I've found that at day 4 I was able to use tramadol and no kratom. However, I had not used the tramadol prior to that. But today at day 5, I needed the kratom but no tramadol. I figure 3 yrs of nearly non stop meds and I'll be detoxing longer than that. Tomorrow I'll play it by ear.


I'm really just impressed with all of the strains. Some do better but non of the red veins have dissapointed.

[Dr. McKay]

I was just coming here to comment on those two.

So, I'm kicking a 90-120 mg/day opana er and 60-120 mg/day oxy habit. Opana has been done either iv or insufflated and oxy has usually been oral to give you a guage of what my habit is like. I tried my hardest to ween myself down and lower my tolerance. But if I could do that, I probably wouldn't need to use Kratom. :/

I got the relaxing sample and the top shelf sample. Basically, I wanted to try a bunch of the red strains. :-D The ones that have worked the best for me has been Kalimantan special grade and Thai red dragon. I'm finding that after the first day I've been able to dose 5g and feel comfortable. I'm not getting any type of sedation, but I'm not looking for that, just a tool to get off the doomed path I was on.

I'm still dealing with some of the sypmtoms of wd, but most are minor and can be dealt with with other means. Now, I am smoking copius amounts of weed. I think without the weed I would be suffering and have to take more.

The Enhanced Red Indonesian was nice and enough to hold me well for a few hrs the first day. I want to say the sample was about 3 g worth but my thinking is a little fuzzy and i could be talking out my ass. I'm saving the FSE for a few weeks to see if I'll have any noticeable effects.

I'm sure I could stand to dose more. However I'm wanting to try some of these strains when my habit is gone and maybe I'll feel a little something. Or if I happen to have a bad pain day. I have found it to be effective on my back pain but has done little for my nerve pain.

Overall, I've been extremely happy with my purchase and would do it again in a heartbeat to either detox or maintain a habit. Does anyone have any idea how long I should take this before it becomes a problem? I was thinking by day 5 I should be ok. That's usually the magic number for me and subs.

Have you tried taking the kratom on an empty stomach rather than full or partial full stomach? The difference is like night and day with kratom. It seems if you have eaten anything in the past 3 hours or so the stuff does not work that well. But take it on an empty stomach, and you end up feeling wonderful.
especially by day 5 you should be golden ! I too went froma very high opana habit ( 6-7 40 mg old style tabs taken IV) cold turkey to kratom.

I never got sick, but the kratom was able to keep me from feeling terrible, but I was in quie a bit of pain, and had terrible crampy legs. Every day though I got better and better and by day 5 I finally was feeling every dose of kratom.

It just needs more time if you have a monster tolly to opiates at the time.

[diacetate]

I have been a customer of Mu since they first came around, and the customer service and quick shipping is second to none. Let me preface the review by saying that my favorite kratom is UEI and I have not found anything like it since... that being said I was very impressed with the new strains I tried recently.

Ultra Enhanced MD:
I burned around 1-1.5 grams to start and found it very euphoric, very stimulating but also smooth and clear. I never found kratom stimulating in the past so this is the first strain I have encountered producing such an aroma. Not unpleasant at all, but I prefer a nice sedation. Great for the morning, and potent. Although less potent than the UES which I personally did not enjoy very much (possibly dosed way too much)

Enhanced red vein indo(?):
I received a sample of this from Mu, guessing somewhere around 2 grams, but certainly less than five. I really enjoyed this strain, and think it would be very promising in a larger dose in the burner. sedating and euphoric, smooth no wobbles. I will definitely order a larger amount to try.

special grade Kali:

Only burned ~4 grams of this so far but found it very pleasing and fairly potent for plain leaf. A little pricey in my opinion but it will most likely become my daily burn.

Next up is some FSE which I plan to order with some more ERVI and follow up with a more detailed report for those who may or may not be curious.

[scikid]

Had a great experience dealing with MU. Really enjoy the FSE... placed an order for the relaxation sampler and have found that I enjoy most of the burns.

[Count Zero]

Kratom Advice Bulliten: Don't knock over your FSE bottle on the sink at one of the work bathrooms, it is impossible to get out of the plastic surface, I've gone in there with industrial cleaner and brillo pads days later and can't touch it. I've made up a lie about iodine or something if someone asks me about it but I wish I was more careful-I had no idea it would stain like that-but I think the only way to get rid of it is to replace the sink. And to think I've been drinking that stuff for the last few weeks..

[DanTilly]

How the hell do any of you manage to drink the FSE in the first place?
Mu sent me two samples of it (different strains) and OMG I can handle eating dirt-like kratom but this stuff is GROSS. Granted the taste wears off in 2 seconds and then I'm feeling pretty good afterwards.

I've been putting 2 drops in a shot of whiskey and doing it that way but still...blergh

[Count Zero]

I just dump some of the bottle into a cup with one gulp or water in it (unless I dump it on the sink) and pound it down quick and chase with more water-like you said 2 seconds or so and it's gone. All in all not worth it though, I'd rather just order the strains.

[scikid]

Placed another order with MU... looking forward to seeing how the MD extract/tincture burns. Also ordered a blend and some other stuff. I usually toss and wash, but I placed an order for some enhanced which I think I will try to encapsulate.

As for the taste of the extract, I just place a few drops on my burner and then cover it with water quickly.

[la somnambule]

I gotta add to the chorus here -- Mu rocks. Not just the product (which is top shelf) but the Bros. Mu are way cool/kind. Def the kind of business I want to support. Shipping is always spooky fast. Product descriptions are BS free. I started using them after another supplier I had used for some time ceased and desisted with an Enhanced Bali, which had grown dear to my heart. They set me up with a number of samples of a bunch of different strains, so I've been able to find a couple that meet, if not exceed, the old Bali.

Plus, they are hard at work in the R&D dept looking for a replacement for the much loved FST. I've got an MD FSE on order now, and can't wait. They have other recipes in the works too as we speak. If they find something close in strength and quality to FST, that will rock.

Faves so far:
Thai Red Dragon, Special Kali, FSE

Much love for Mu!

[OpiatedChronically]

So I just got my samples from Mu today. They even tossed in a free (FAT ASS) bag of Kava Kava!!

Oh.My.GOD.

I've just taken some of the Kalimantan Red Vein. My cravings are gone. I'm quite relaxed, and it is JUST WHAT I NEEDED right now! I'm getting a very nice relaxation, and I can feel it getting stronger. I daresay I'm even buzzing just a tad.

I also just took some Kava Kava and so far I'm starting to feel even more relaxed. This is fucking awesome.

This is honestly much better than I anticipated, but with all the great reviews I've read so far, I had a feeling I would be happy.

The samples I received were VERY generous. I also got some Kalimantan White Vein and the Mu Super Duper Blend. I'll post a review on those when I try them in the next day or so.

Now I know why everyone has been raving about Mu Synergetics. They truly are amazing!

BTW, this is my very first experience with Kratom, and I'm SO glad that Mu was able to provide me with my first experience! I am definitely going to buy from them in the future!

Another thanks to Opiophile for selecting Mu as one of their advertisers! Y'all picked a seriously incredible company!

Much love Mu. Much love.

[alowishus]

Been trying to place an order but Fuck Pal says there is an issue with my CC, a different one each time.
It works fine at other sites, that don't use Fuck Pal...

[alpha]

Been trying to place an order but Fuck Pal says there is an issue with my CC, a different one each time.
It works fine at other sites, that don't use Fuck Pal...

Fuck Pal has systematically shutting down vendors who sell kratom, appointing themselves the moral higher ground, even though it is legal in every state but Indiana. My guess is their FuckPal processing is a thing of the past. Probably will need to find an alternate payment method.