No rush, no pins and needles, nothing

[acey]

Hello fellow Opiophilers!

It's been awhile, but I have come across a little bit of a mystery.

Generally I am super "O.R." room clean with my prep of the morphine and I only use two different kinds which have been working great! I'm talking all the "rush, pins n needles and the OMG how much more of this can I take before I simply explode" feeling yaknow?

Well my tolerance has been growing a bit and I have made sufficient increases to get the desired effect, but as of the past few days things just havent been the same!

I get the long lasting mo-glo as I just made up on the spot from my dose, and my pupils virtually dissapear, and I am feeling rather nice.....BUT........I GET NO INITIAL RUSH! WHY!?
I even tried a higher dose and waited a good 15 hours between doses but nada!

The only things that I have been doing a bit differently are the following:

1. I have been using the salt in my water and it makes the gel dissapear. But this has worked great at first.
2. I have been doing it daily, which was not the case up untill a 3 weeks ago. I used to treat myself to it, maybe 2 times a week, maybe 3.
3. I have gotten a hold of a regular supply of clonazepam 1mg tiny little pills. Have been taking then daily for the past two weeks, sometimes in larger doses....dont really feel anything, just relaxed, All is well in my world, feeling.
4. as a result of this daily abuse my veins are taking a beating and some times it takes 2 tries for me to find one that registers.


This started about 4 days ago and its pissing me off! I miss the rush. Maybe its a sign to take a break let my veins heal, go back to oral, (which I also really enjoy, but u just need more).

If anyone has any insight, or has experienced the same thing, or knows somebody who has, please share, I just need to know whats going on here.

Sorry for the novel, but I am just at a loss and I know this is the place to ask!

thanks,

Acey

[ausativa]

are your pills gelling up?

[acey]

No, they arent as gellish now that I add a pinch of salt to the boiling water as I sterilize it.

Before the stuff was pretty thick, but packed a fricken punch! Maybe less salt to make it a tad more thick....I dunno.

I've had good ones with the salt technique, been utilizing that for a few weeks now.

[thatoneguy]

maybe you're trying to put too much in the syringe I know you can only fit 100mgs in 1cc of water or something like that

[Akhkharu]

im pretty sure that it's 60mg/mL for morphine. try adding more water. it might take 2 shots, but you will get more out of it.

[More Feen]

The morphine is definately getting into your system:

You have all the indications of morphine intoxication (feeling opiated, pin-point pupils, etc....).

Cannot really speak about the RUSH, but the pins & needles one feels with IV morphine are a result of morphine causing your body to release Histamine into your blood stream.

Since your DOC is morphine, most people who use morphine ~exclusively cannot totally differntiate which RUSH effects are due to the opiate or which ones are due to the release of histamine. Some of the feelings can overlap (nicely).

Histamine is going to cause many of your blood vessels to dilate which drops your blood pressure, this combined with the opiate effects can make you feel good & relaxed.

Do you have any allergies this time of year?

If "yes" are you taking any anti-histamines for these allergies?

If you are taking allergy meds--even OTC Benedryl, or the "non-drowsy" types of anti-histamines, this will block a lot of histamine's effects--regardless if its morphine or ragweed that is triggering the histamine release.

If you are NOT taking any anti-histamines, then IDK, maybe your dose is high enough, or your tolerance is high enough, or your body just doesn't react to morphine the same way anymore.

Maybe tapering your dose (amount & frequency) will bring back the nice feelings from before.

M F

[Methabenzocet]

no more rush....hmm... i think this is just a case of tolerance, if i were u i wud , switch back 2 oral administration for a month or so ....then try IVing ....and ur rush may come back....im speaking from experience....thats what i did whn i used to iv OCs every single day..........back when the real name brands where around like crazy.....but i know that after awhile , there was no rush waht so ever....switched to dope, and the same thing happened ....

i had to keep uping and uping the amount of bags i wud put in my shot...when it was getting just to dam much i started swtiching back and forth from insulfating the Dope and eating the Ocs ...then i wud treat myself on the weekends to IV use, and thats how i balanced out keeping somewhat of a rush....after a while it just gets hard to keep feeling like u did at an earlier point......

[onewayonly]

I dont know if its your tolerance.
I have a pretty high tolerance and get the pins off of 60mg everytime.
It is 60mg/ml.
You havent said how much ur putting in the rig.
More Feens talk about anti-histamines is what i bet
You should get a histamine release on 60mg

[acey]

Hey everybody, appreciate the thoughtfullness around here.

I think methobenzocet might have nailed it. My tolerance has gotten rather big and I dont have any allergies, so no antihistamines. I thought it might be the benzos I've heard some people say they dull the effects.

I think I should switch back to Oral admin for a bit and treat myself one day and I bet it will be back.

My tolerance is high, like 60mg isnt going to work for me. the pins n needles start at 100mg and get pretty crazy add another 50. Went up to 200, and it was the most intense rush I have ever had!! Maybe I've been chasing that.

But at this level things are getting too expensive and my script can only handle 100mg-150mg a day.

The 60mg/ml is also something to think about.

Maybe vacation time till my tolerance drops again.

Thanks everybody, and if anyone else has any info please share.

[qwertmonkey]

Hey everybody, appreciate the thoughtfullness around here.

I think methobenzocet might have nailed it. My tolerance has gotten rather big and I dont have any allergies, so no antihistamines. I thought it might be the benzos I've heard some people say they dull the effects.

I think I should switch back to Oral admin for a bit and treat myself one day and I bet it will be back.

My tolerance is high, like 60mg isnt going to work for me. the pins n needles start at 100mg and get pretty crazy add another 50. Went up to 200, and it was the most intense rush I have ever had!! Maybe I've been chasing that.

But at this level things are getting too expensive and my script can only handle 100mg-150mg a day.

The 60mg/ml is also something to think about.

Maybe vacation time till my tolerance drops again.

Thanks everybody, and if anyone else has any info please share.

If you are impatient and lack self control like me, you can always get bigger barrels. A 3ml barrel would be able to hold 180mg of 'feen (with a perfect extraction.) Now obviously this advice isn't in the best interest of harm reduction, but if it is in fact your tolerance, this would definitely bring the rush back.

Please be careful though. If the lack of rush isn't because of your tolerance, this could potentially cause an OD. 180mg of IV morphine is a biggggg ol' shot.

Your plan of switching to oral for a few weeks would probably be more beneficial in the long run. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone....lower tolerance and give them veins a chance to recover.

Stay safe

[Matt]

I hate the disappointment of doing a nice shot and it does nothing. No rush, no pins, slow onset of tue effects you DO get. It's one thing knowing the dose wont touch your tolerance level, but when it otherwise SHOULD do you proper and doesn't is a big letdown indeed. It's like you're in a rocket ship bracing yourself for a fucking righteous blastoff (hehe) and the damn thing bogs down.

[qwertmonkey]

Hey acey, any update on your experiment? After I replied last week I started noticing my shots were lacking that "morphine punch" we all know and love. I did give myself a 4 day break abstaining from all opies, but my shot at the end of the vacation wasn't nearly as orgasmic as I was hoping.

I've tinkered with a few other variables but the next step for me will be using my 5ml barrels instead of the 1ml insulin rigs. My thought is a 140-160mg shot in one go will bring back pins and needles more effectively than my current ritual of 2-3 40-60mg shots spaced 10 or 15 minutes apart.

I'd love to hear the results of your vacation. I'll be sure to keep the thread updated with my discoveries as well.

q

[acey]

I found one way that worked for me because I dont have access to the bigger barrells, so, I mixed up 150mg, prepped it as usual, and filled 1 up, then mixed in more sterile water, mixed waited, drew up the second one, then the same with the third.

Well the following morning I tied off, and like a fricken contortionist found good spot number 1, slid the needle in, registered, then slid the 2nd needle into spot #2 and registered it.....took the band off, and did them literally back to back and lo and behold the pins and needles returned. Not as great as I expected but also, not worth the effort, and luck which it took to pull that off. I tried it again, and messed up, waisted a shot.

Another theory is maybe I need to find some new veins, but why all of a sudden would good veins that still work and everything would affect the rush....

Too prove that one, I used a brand new vein and it didnt really do much.

I think If I stick to once a day, that may be better than twice a day, which may be effecting the outcome.

qwertmonkey, I think the amount of morphine that can dissolve in 1ml of water plays an effect on the dissolving of ALL the active ingredients and I am very interested to hear how your 5ml barrel experiment goes. I really have a high expectancy of success on that one. It just makes sense on the dissolving and amount of water needed to get the full meal deal.

Thanks for all the help so far. Good to hear its not super uncommon. I though my body began producing its own powerful antihistamine, and relaxant to counter the xtreeme rush, lol.....

[Woody Bear]

Hello fellow Opiophilers!
The only things that I have been doing a bit differently are the following:

1. I have been using the salt in my water and it makes the gel dissapear. But this has worked great at first.
2. I have been doing it daily, which was not the case up untill a 3 weeks ago. I used to treat myself to it, maybe 2 times a week, maybe 3.

The lack of rush is due to tolerance now that you've moved over from chipping to daily use. Daily use is what causes opioid dependence, so if you carry on using daily you're going to start getting withdrawal symptoms when your dose wears off.

It's not too late now to back down to just using once or twice a week again. But the sad thing is, that once you initially develop a habit, then it only takes a couple days use to start getting sick again. That's why people who become opioid dependent typically have to either continue using everyday, or else go off it for good.

Hardly any dependent opioid users become able to chip again, because they usually start feeling sick after their dose wears off. You're really going to be best off, if you immediately stop taking the morphine, take at least a one month break from it, and then go back to only using once or twice a week, ideally with at least a 3 day break between uses.

[acey]

Thanks for the advice everybody. So did anybody try the larger barrels with any success?

Woody Bear thanks for the info on tolerance and chipping. I think everybody is different and all the walks of life we come from may have an effect on our usage patterns. In your case where you couldn't move back to chipping after daily use is probably quite common, but in my case I have been able to go back to a week or two off too a week or 3 days on. I'm leading a very busy lifestyle right now and have to put my usage on the backburner so I cannot always get riggs and find time to prep etc. Lately I have been experiencing the rush again! I dont know why or what, the only difference was a new untapped vein in my lower bicep.

I find if I get a rush in my first shot of the day, my second one a few hours later provides none. Ususally I get them once a day.

Does anybody know if there is an amount of time you need to wait for a rush to happen? like 6 hours minimum, or 8 or 12? Anyways, I can go a day with one dose (this stuff has legs on it!) so maybe thats what I'll have to will myself to do.

[Indy]

Thanks for the advice everybody. So did anybody try the larger barrels with any success?

Woody Bear thanks for the info on tolerance and chipping. I think everybody is different and all the walks of life we come from may have an effect on our usage patterns. In your case where you couldn't move back to chipping after daily use is probably quite common, but in my case I have been able to go back to a week or two off too a week or 3 days on. .

Probably because you haven't gotten addicted yet, I would guess. WB isn't saying it's hard to go back to chipping after simply using daily, he's saying it's hard to go back to chipping after getting dependent. Which is true. But if you never catch a habit, then yeah, plenty of people can use daily for a couple weeks, then take some time off, and then go back to using once in a while. In fact for medical use of opiates it's pretty much the norm.

Correct me if I'm wrong, though. HAVE you been addicted previously? Or dependent, whatever you want to call it. BTW I remember you from waaaay back, before I even became a member here. It's strange I don't really remember your posts or your name very well, but I remember your avatar quite well.

[ausativa]

since morphine is my drug of choice, i have to add something that no one else has really said. when i was doing ~100mg morphine shots, i used a bigger barrell, but if i did two shots back to back, the histamine was already released, so i got more diminished rushes the closer my shots were together. wait till you really start getting sick, then do a fatty shot. i bet all of that shit will be built back up, and your hands face and feet will be turning beet red in no time. -sativa

[qwertmonkey]

since morphine is my drug of choice, i have to add something that no one else has really said. when i was doing ~100mg morphine shots, i used a bigger barrell, but if i did two shots back to back, the histamine was already released, so i got more diminished rushes the closer my shots were together. wait till you really start getting sick, then do a fatty shot. i bet all of that shit will be built back up, and your hands face and feet will be turning beet red in no time. -sativa

^^ This ^^

I just recently started having the same problem: getting nothing from my -near triple digit- morph shots. I knocked my dose down to 40-50mg for a couple days and boy did it do me some good. I loaded up two 1cc rigs way past the 100 mark full of my precious M and slammed 'em back to back. The glorious feeling of dunking myself head first into a bucket of pins was back.

[SeVeN]

Kind of like Ausativa said. Basically i think you are doing a fair number of shots a day and still have a good amount in your system when you shoot. Therefore you dont feel the rush as much. thats why for most of us the first shot in the morning is the best!

[DESIBEAR]

I've experienced this too. The first shot is decent but the following are a bust. I found that if I wait 8 hours between shots, I have much better success. I have been guilty of chasing the high a time or two tho lol.

[BobTheFiend]

Same thing happens to me. I referred to it as getting "burnt out" on morphine in another post. I can still feel a tiny rush, but it gets way more subdued even after just a few days of IV morph. I don't experience a drop off that fast with any of the other pharms I've shot.

In some ways I actually prefer taking it orally for the different "style" of onset/peak. I like that warm/knotted feeling in my stomach that starts to radiate outwards instead of the pins and needles rush. It just sucks that it requires so much more of it.

[54 403]

You people must be horrilbe at iv preping morphine. Of course if you do a 60 mg shot, then immediately do another one the rush might not be as intense,but it will increase the hell out of your buzz. I guess I am crazy but I do drugs to get high not for the RUSH. With almost any drug the rush will never be as good as the days first shot, unless you do a massive shot. I had to learn the hard way with cocaine , because an iv cocaine rush is something special. I got an eight ball then went into extreme shoot up mode and it turned into a bloody massacre. it really sucked.


Please excuse any grammar mistakes I am in a hurry.

[qwertmonkey]

You people must be horrilbe at iv preping morphine. Of course if you do a 60 mg shot, then immediately do another one the rush might not be as intense,but it will increase the hell out of your buzz. I guess I am crazy but I do drugs to get high not for the RUSH. With almost any drug the rush will never be as good as the days first shot, unless you do a massive shot. I had to learn the hard way with cocaine , because an iv cocaine rush is something special. I got an eight ball then went into extreme shoot up mode and it turned into a bloody massacre. it really sucked.


Please excuse any grammar mistakes I am in a hurry.

I'm not sure what your doc/daily use is like, but for some of us, the rush IS the high. For someone dependent on opiates (or maybe its just me), I get the rush and not much else. Sure, if I didn't take that hit I'd be feeling like shit and sick as a dog. What's "high" for you will eventually become what is "normal" for regular seasoned users. I think it's something that just comes with the territory. Consider yourself lucky for still getting loaded after a single dose of morphine. Trust me when I say, there are many folks (myself included) that envy you.

Also, I highly doubt many of us are "horrible" at prepping our pills. We're on a website specifically for to people discuss just that--how to most efficiently extract the goodies from the blocks of talc and wax they're trapped in.

I'm in PM so I get a set amount of pills from the pharmacy each month. I also live in an area with a nearly non-existent scene so I have to make my rx last all month. I can tell you with almost certainty that I get just about every last drop of morphine out of my pills.

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[acey]

Hey everybody! I'm back and delighted to see my post still getting discussed here. Since then, I have realized that 1ml is not enought to hold my dose and I dont have access to any 3ml rigs so I've been mixing up my usual 200mg in almost 4-m ml of water and doing 2 simultaneously. I was getting the rush, but its just too much work, and I'm at a point where it's not just me I'm here for but my fam. I would be devistated if my son or daughter ever knew that THEIR DAD was na IV user!!

So I have just decided to maintain orally, and very soon line up a detox and rehab. I lucked out today and came across some pure m'done powder in 55mg capsules. 1 of them will hold me easily, and 1 and 1/2 makes acey a happy camper. That loooooong glow. Never had raw m'done powder, tried railing a bit for faster onset and it burned man, did it ever!

So 440mg of this pure 'done is enought to kill me so I gotta be carefull, I can easily make it till the weekend as my script has run out and this is what I have to work with till then.

Im just getting tired of morphine dictating my life and being in constant worry of running low, scheduling EVERYTHING around me "staying well", and making my family sacrifice time we should be spending doing family stuff because I have to make sure I'm "well" enough, or no "sick again"..... ahghghghg this is turning into a piss and moan!!!

Back to my OP, I chalk this all up to my tolly rising and me trying the original high. Story of many addicts lives. So I gotta just stop chasing it, and let it come to me one day again if ever. I'd advise anybody who is considering "trying the IV" method of morphine NOT too. There is not turning back on this path, one way street only.