Ever feel like going on bupe instead of methadone was a mistake?

[SubHuman]

I question my decision on and off. I was going to go the methadone route and had talked to a clinic but at the last second and with the prodding of my family (they had heard all the methadone propaganda and stigma and they were footing the bill at that time for the treatment) I decided to give sub a try and got on it a year ago. I never intended for it to be a longterm thing, I told myself I was gonna do a short 1-2 week taper with sub and then take the sub "as needed" on a non daily basis only if a craving to the point where I thought Id relapse, similar to how you are supposed to take benzos for panic attacks instead of daily. I figured my doc and family wouldnt know and I could maybe "feel something" from sub by taking that way and also avoid a strong physical dependance to it. Of course that didnt work and to top things off I ended up getting in legal trouble and and now on paper for awhile.


It pretty much has meant for the last year I had to stay clean off everything but bupe and its hard as hell. For alot of that time I was on suboxone and aside from the first month where it did seem to help quite a bit it did close to nothing for the following 6 or so months I was on it before I was switched over to 'tex. For the last few months I have kind of developed a new appreciation for bupe after getting on tex and getting my tolerance to the point where I low dose (2mgs spaced out every 12 hours) but now that or lack of a better word "new honeymoon phase" is pretty much gone, I still get the "glow" from low dosing and keeping the doses apart but its so slight that Im like "is it placebo?". To be honest I also crave getting high more frequently than I should and feel that methadone would work better for me. Only problem is is methadone is almost 2x the cost of my bupe treatment now since I get the generic and Id have to do the whole daily clinic thing for awhile. Anyways sorry for the long winded post I just wonder if anyone else feels this way about bupe. I'll think to myself "why should I put myself through a WD that is almost as miserable or possibly is as miserable methadone when I dont feel much from my dose in terms of craving relief like I would with methadone".

[Seedy]

^^ I often felt the same when i was on subs, mainly because 'done would have been free and the subs were costing $60 per week (about what i've been spending on poppy seeds recently to maintain a constant glow).

But thinking back on it, subs got me used to not feeling an opiate buzz, and therefore got me out of the habit of getting high every day as a crutch, making it much easier to actually quit for a few months (granted, I wouldn't have had a hope in hell of doing that if ibogaine wasn't available). I think if I'd been on 'done and getting buzzed (even a little) every day, I wouldn't have been able to quit for as long as I had.

Are you on subs purely for maintenance or are you using it as a tool to stabilise then get clean?

[SubHuman]

At first I was actualy realy motivated to get clean when I first got on subs but that has dwindled quit a bit over the last year. Id say Im on it for both reasons right now but moreso maintenance at this point. For the record I dont want to get on methadone to feel a buzz cuz I know that will go away quickly, I just think since its a full agonist it will suit my cravings better obviously. Idealy I would not go over 50mgs of it if I ever did go on it.

[mainline]

believe me, you wont feel shit after being on 'done for a while and your cravings will still be intense.

[Paradigm]

Suboxone just didn't work like methadone does for my cravings.

No way I'm paying more for less..

[JUNKYJAY]

I wanna switch to Subs from Methadone but my Doctors has no idea what he is talking about and I quote " Someone like you who needs a 120 of Methadone Subs wouldnt work for" What a tard and plus I have to go 3 days with Nothing. I dont understand why I just cant be sick

[jimmyfingers]

This is all about personal preference.

[SubHuman]

I wanna switch to Subs from Methadone but my Doctors has no idea what he is talking about and I quote " Someone like you who needs a 120 of Methadone Subs wouldnt work for" What a tard and plus I have to go 3 days with Nothing. I dont understand why I just cant be sick

Well to be fair your doc is partialy right, at this point sub probably wouldnt work for you, you'd have to taper to 30mgs of methadone to be able to switch is what the research says.

[Junkette]

I feel like going on either is a mistake.

[mainline]

I feel like going on either is a mistake.

everything has its place

[ryan5892]

I feel like going on either is a mistake.

+1

If I wasn't a bitch and not afraid to kick a medium sized heroin habit that only lasted for a year and a half of daily use, I wouldn't be in the position I am now.


Buprenorphine is getting so old, 2 and a half years later...fuck.

I wish I had the money to switch back to heroin full time...lol.

[Junkette]

Lol I'm just lucky bupe doesn't agree with me at all. First I thought it was just the suboxone, then I stocked up on enough tex to give it a good try. After my bipolar/zombie no libido having self appeared on that drug I decided it was a no go. Oddly enough methadone makes me have panic attacks???? Even if I take it with Xanax I obtain a level of paranoia associated with habitual crack smoking.

I'm either lucky or completely fucked.

You know ryry, you could attempt to stockpile a bunch of vicodins and tramadols and give that a shot...well not literally but....it's worked for a few people.

The bottom line. I'm not going to take drugs that make me feel like shit, while I'm on them. That's just fucking illogical. The real kicker is the "blocking" effect both drugs are so lauded for...god I really wanna give a good kick to the groin to the sadomasochistic fuck that came up with that bullshit.

but, also, as long as everyone falls in line with the "program" we will never have any other alternative besides bupe/methadone/cold turkey/continued use. They need to stop treating drug abuse like a disease and start treating it like a fucking reality. Right now they've got it mapped out like the four stages of cancer because some shit for brains can't come up with a better analogy. I mean come the fuck on. People seek out drugs but they sure as hell don't go out trying to get that bomb ass strain of lupus hitting the streets.

Holy fucking epic derail.

[Kingsmoker1014]

I feel like going on either is a mistake.

I agree about this.
when i got on methadone i feel like it helped me a lot at the time, i was just in a really bad spot mentally and the methadone helped. and with me i really had no cravings, of course i would WANT to smoke but no actually cravings but after about a month of the everyday bullshit i totally regretted getting on methadone and not just throwin down a week kick of heroin.
Oh well though i guess i really did need it at the moment. right now i am trying to kick methadone i was on 55mg's for about 2 1/2 months tom will be a week since i have dosed and i was feetoxing for a week before that so i got down as low as i could go until i got to 0.
Im happy that im getting out of the methadone shit though and im using heroin to help when it gets really bad im just happy to be getting away from the juice!!!!!

[lespaulpower]

"The grass is always greener" I definitely find applicable in this case. Taken daily at a consistent dose, I've found that after about a week, there's no distinguishable difference between the two in subjective effects. Once you've reached a steady state and developed a tolerance for your dose, the "full vs partial agonist" factor is irrelevant. Only real difference is your tolerance will perpetually grow with methadone, plus it often will not keep you comfortable for the full 24 hours, much less keep your pleasure hungry brain on mute for the full 24. If it's recreational value you're seeking (I know you are not, so this is a moot point), it's obviously possible with methadone to spike your current blood level and catch a better glow, while bupe doesn't always work like that.

Bupe just seems to have quite an advantage in my eyes; unless one were dosing methadone on their own terms (twice daily rather than once, no dose restrictions, etc) and going through a physician rather than clinic.. Which isn't all that practical for many reasons.

The choice is yours, and perhaps MMT would be great for you; but I have a feeling you may find as many people have, that it's not all that special.. WHen you're talking maintenance; it really makes little difference in the long term whether its a full or partial agonist, IMO.

[ryan5892]

Bupe just seems to have quite an advantage in my eyes; unless one were dosing methadone on their own terms (twice daily rather than once, no dose restrictions, etc) and going through a physician rather than clinic.. Which isn't all that practical for many reasons.

Man if I could find a doc that would give me just like 40mg of done a day I'd be so happy. I would prefer done to subs but its way more expensive when buying off the streets.

[candyman20]

Man if I could find a doc that would give me just like 40mg of done a day I'd be so happy. I would prefer done to subs but its way more expensive when buying off the streets.

i totally agree with you on that i would fuckin love it if i a doctor would write me for 40mg of done id be set

[fearofnormalcy]

Man if I could find a doc that would give me just like 40mg of done a day I'd be so happy. I would prefer done to subs but its way more expensive when buying off the streets.

Really, ryan? Just curiously, what are the street prices for done/subs up in NC?

Down here in my neck of the woods I could get the 10mg 'done for $4 each all day long, but the 8mg Suboxone went for $8-10 each. I always attributed it to the fact that more insurance plans covered done than subs, or perhaps because done is available in generic form (I never saw generic 'Tex on the streets, just Suboxone).

[ryan5892]

I pay 10 dollars for a 'tex and use at most 2mg a day so that2.50 a day, very cheap.

[Tylercwxzy]

I've gone both routes and I can say, Methadone was as good as it gets from everything to craving, stable-somewhat normal existence. But it has its draw backs just like sub's. When I was 17 my mom got me started on roxis and xanax (well my girlfriend to) after 2 years I went on subs. They worked half ass to say the least but the kept me from being dopesick and being able to work. Fast forward abit:
Here I am almost 21 now, I went through 2-3 sub doc's. My last one was a quack, He lost his sub license so he put me on 5 30mg oxy IRs a day as a substitute. That didn't last long, so after a few scripts and having to go in every two weeks and pay a doc bill and script.. well couldn't afford it. So I left to the clinic, I was with MMT for a year and 6 months or more.

Then one day I got sick of the clinic BS, mandatory counseling or whichever you want to call it. Plus 90$ a week was alittle much but I know thats around the going rate. Plus after finishing 16 weeks of meeting because I failed ONE drug test then 4 months later told I had to do it again for taking ambien and it showed up on a test.. Well I was done, told them I wasn't paying another cent. so rapid detox for me 140mg-0 in about 8 days. Worst 3 weeks of my life. I know they say methadone w/d is not as intense as heroin or oxys but its bad, so drawn out. Feels like you'll never be normal again. Luckily I had xanax weed and lots of loperamide saved me.

Needless to say I got a few subs even after over 22-23 days into the 'done w/d I couldn't stand it, the subs saved me. I actually nodded out on 2mg of sub.. crazy after being on such a high dose of 'done. I still don't feel 100% but it gets better everyday. I wish I could afford the subs, the one doc I can go to will NOT prescribe generic subtex or the film suboxone. Just straight main brand suboxone. I hate that shit, he knows I don't shoot up and I make 350 a week. Cut me some slack doc. (same one who scripted the roxis).
I went through 'done wd once before when I was 18 my mom was originally was a nurse and writing fake scripts and going to a dr. who felt bad for her and gave her two scripts of 'done. But I was only taking between 40-60mg so I was only laid up in bed for a week. Was taking 12mg xanax a day and smoking massive amounts of weed. so I was like in a half coma that week haha.

Sorry for babbling but I would say 'Done is worth it, but if you ever need to quit do a slow taper or switch to subs or short acting opiate. You will thank yourself in the long wrong. Life's tough for us junkies, we get treated like criminals just because we have something wrong with us (in a health sense not a a morale flaw).
The choice is up to you, good luck.

[fearofnormalcy]

I pay 10 dollars for a 'tex and use at most 2mg a day so that2.50 a day, very cheap.

I'm so dense, I hadn't even taken into account the amount needed to maintain properly, I just compared dollar/mg ratios.

Makes total sense reading your post.

[Tylercwxzy]

'Done is much cheaper, I think it cost like 40-50 dollars for a 1-2 week supply or maybe a month's supply. Thats why the clinic rakes so much money. Don't buy them on the street unless you have to. I wen't broke that way.

[Bricks & Stacks]

If I could get methadone pills I would go on methadone. With subutex I feel like shit for the first 4 or 5 days after a long dope binge, but methadone only like a day or so. But no fuckin way am I goin to the clinic every day fuck a bunch of that. I can't even stand going to my sub doc for 5 mins every 2 weeks, let alone every single fuckin morning.

Subutex is cheaper for me too, its $250($100 for doc, $150 for 42 pills) every 2 weeks but ends up "paying for its self" and then some, but with methadone I'd be payin completely out of pocket and not able to "help out friends"

[Tylercwxzy]

Yea but alot of docs wont prescribe tex because they think you're gonna shoot up with it, even if your not a needle user. Plus the company that makes suboxone sent out statements encouraging drs. to keep pushing the name brand as long as possible and they would be compensated for this. Suboxone is still very expensive, If i could get generic I'd go back on subs. I think I would be able to use them right this time. I agree the clinic sucks but buying them on the street isn't very productive if your trying to do a Mait. program of sorts... I've tried many times that way, it doesn't work unless you have strong, strong will.

[Paradigm]

Bricks, you'd only have to go once a month since you have that whizinator thing.

The most I've ever paid for done was $77 a week. How much the clinics run up there?

[tui]

This is all about personal preference.

This is the truth^

You will have to try it for yourself to know. No one else can tell you.

The real kicker is the "blocking" effect both drugs are so lauded for...god I really wanna give a good kick to the groin to the sadomasochistic fuck that came up with that bullshit.

^Junkette, I'll hold him down for you. With pleasure.


@Seedy, what happened to your avatar and location? Almost didn' recognize you there!

[skeezerjohns22]

I agree w/ B&S on feeling shitty for at least the first 3 days while transitioning to bupe...
And after that, they keep me well and all physically, but the cravings are simply unbearable.

With Methadone, I feel fine while transitioning and I can keep the cravings in the back of my mind.

Q: Does anyone think that bupe does wonders for keeping cravings at bay???

[danny]

believe me, you wont feel shit after being on 'done for a while and your cravings will still be intense.

and so say all of us....having said that though, im not convinced about subutex either, its weird shit, i dont think there was i day i felt normal when i was taking that shit....prescription diamorphine ftw.....

there goes the flying pig....

also as a ps anyone who switches from methadone to subutex (buprenorphine) be very careful and expect to feel shitty for a long time even at a low dose, me personally i dont know anyone who hasnt experienced some form of pwd while doing that, the medical instructions are to leave it 24-48 hours which shows how little they know about what they prescribe, ive heard of people coming off the recommended 30ml meth and waiting 5 days to go on subutex and STILL going into pwds

+1 000 000 for what junkette said, the whole set up is designed by sadists who want to criminalise and punish people who made a mistake when young (dont we all)/the mentally ill/depressed etc....

[Tylercwxzy]

Eh I don't quite agree with that, after being on 'done for 1yr 6 months 140mg, after 2 weeks of w/d from rapid detox (8 days) I snorted like 1mg of sub and I nodded out for like 4 hours... Ha, never thought I would nod on subs alone. Usually I gotta mix weed or xanax to even get a slight nod. But that was back when I was scripted subs so I was use to it. Yes suboxone does help with cravings but not like methadone.

[Hankswife]

Grass is always greener, I would have to agree with that, AND it really comes down to personal preference. After changing from methadone (8 yrs), subs worked as promised, beautifully, and the bonus for me, was no more 2pm nodding at my desk, which was happening no matter what my dose was of methadone. Everyone has different reactions and side effects. If I was still looking to "feel" something from my daily dose, I would have stayed on done, though. I like feeling this close to normal. I occasionally have cravings, and have used twice since I changed over, but now that I go thru a sub doctor, I cant do that anymore unless I time it in between my bi weekly urine screen, which never seems to coincide with a good money week. LOL.

[Bricks & Stacks]

Bricks, you'd only have to go once a month since you have that whizinator thing.

The most I've ever paid for done was $77 a week. How much the clinics run up there?

It's about the same, $8 a day or some shit. But like I said liquid methadone is a lot harder to "not" divert, at least for me, so that'd still be $8 a day I don't pay for my subutex. I heard if I were to divert my subutex I could actually make a couple hundred profit every 2 weeks, crazy what some people do huh.


As far as the whizzinator the piss would have to have methadone in it right? So that wouldn't work


Although to my fuckin shock somebody told me to put a lil bit of ground up subutex in clean piss to take to my doctor and I did it yesterday and it worked, I couldn't fuckin believe it

And yeah Skeezer I'm the same way, I'll feel fine after a few days but since I been on subutex (since april) I've gotten high at least a few days every time between my bi-weekly visits. Used to be I'd use from the day I seen the doc to 5 days before my next visit, now I usually end up at the doc high on dope with somebody elses piss that just uses subutex (besides yesterday)
It's like when I'm on subutex all I can think about is how much I miss bein high. Then I get high and I miss bein "clean" and so it goes...