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    Default http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/pdf/heroin.synthesis.pdf

    Hey, I found this patent on Heroin-Synthesis and thought id post it here just for fun. Not that one should try to do this. Would be illegal and man its drugs ... dont do drugs.

    The common way of making Heroin is processing morphine base with Acetic anhydride at elevated temperatures for a minimum of several hours to several days (there alre like 10 methods).

    The patent shows a way to make heroin from morphine base within 6 minutes at room-temperature. Basically it is mixing three chemicals: dichloromethane, 4-DMAP (4-Dimethylaminopyridine) and acetic anhydride with morphine base. This mixture is left standing at room temperature for 6 minutes. This yields a 99% H (99% of the morphine is converted to H).

    http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/pdf/heroin.synthesis.pdf


    It sounds realy interesting. The thing is the chemicals.

    • Morphine base could be extracted from pills, which are relatively easy to get.
    IF one could buy them easily the prices would be:

    acetic anhydride: 7.80 EUR / 100ml
    dichloromethane: 7,95 EUr / 250ml
    4-DMAP: NO IDEA


    I thought Id post it here, maybe someone finds it interesting.
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    Default Re: http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/pdf/heroin.synthesis.pdf

    so youre saying itd be almost impossible due to strict laws governing the chemicals needed?
    would it be easy if one did have said chemicals?
    not that id screw with this, im just asking

    how does something like the n zealand homebake compare

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    Default Re: http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/pdf/heroin.synthesis.pdf

    Im not very familiar with the methods for h-manufacture but from what i know, all other methods, including the homebake need a high temperature (baking) and a long time: some hours at temperature x and then some more days at temperature y. In the .pdf they listed like 12 different methods for heroin-production with the chemicals, temperatures and time needed.

    Yes, I think the chemicals are monitored heavily.

    From how i understand it it would be very easy if one had the chemicals: You only mix all together and let it rest for 6 minutes. Thats it. ITs like: 28gr morphine base + 28gr 4-DMAP + 50gr acetic anydride + 50gr. dichloromethane. Add all to a glass, stir, let it stand for 6 minutes. Let it evaporate and there you go.

    the amounts i mentioned are not exact its all in the .pdf. But the process is exactly this: Mix it all and let it rest for 6 minutes. Nothing else.

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    Default Re: http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/pdf/heroin.synthesis.pdf

    i thought dicholoromethane was fairly accessable...
    know AA is like gold,
    and the other i havent a clue...

    any info on synthing or extracting this DCM or 4-dmap?!

    the holy grail however is a route to an AA substitute from available chems.

    for all the trouble the OP appears, id just bang the MS if i had it...
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    If swim ever comes across these chemicals in swims line of work swim will be sure to try! :P

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    Default Re: http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/pdf/heroin.synthesis.pdf

    AA isn't really all that difficult to obtain if somebody lives near an art school. It's used in photography development, so it wouldn't be unusual to see a handful of students buying amounts...

    Now I'm almost sure you have to sign a list or something, but it's far from "Gold".

    Although, just like than said, for all the trouble and possible repercussions it would be much more beneficial to just bang the M. Besides, if you are just using and have 24g of pure morphine, wtf would you need to turn it into heroin for?
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    Default Re: http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/pdf/heroin.synthesis.pdf

    If you don't mind 6-MAM instead of diacetylmorphine, AA can be substituted for the abundant acetic acid. The only reason that you need the stronger acetylating agent for heroin is to get the second acetyl group on. I have no doubt that you would have to change the ratios but with a little stoichiometry I'm sure you could figure it out. For anybody really thinking about doing something like this go to China. China leads the world in the production of industrial chemicals, and has no regulations. Anyone with a credit card can get anything they want. That being said I think the bigger risk is the amount of time your going to end up in prison when the DEA notices your backyard heroin refinery.

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    Default Re: http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/pdf/heroin.synthesis.pdf

    Hmm. Someone I know is planning on enrolling in an art institute in autumn. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanat0s View Post
    i thought dicholoromethane was fairly accessable...
    know AA is like gold,
    and the other i havent a clue...
    DCM requires paperwork in Europe because it has to be disposed of safely (environmental damage). AA is a very common chemical & whatever anyone says, ordering a bottle (assuming you already have an account with the 'fine chemical' supplier) is not considered even slightly odd. 4DMAP is pretty foul-smelling & toxic. It's not common and it will be expensive. I would be amazed if anyone seriously connected it to the manufacture of H because it's not used anywhere but medicinal manufacturers (McFarlane Smith being the biggest UK supplier).

    Of course, if you can order this & have the skill to use it, unless your getting VERY cheap morphine, it would be logical to produce hydromorphone, oxymorphone or something like that - something potent in any case.

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    Default Re: http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/pdf/heroin.synthesis.pdf

    God damn it. One time, I was replacing some electrical receptacles in a dentist's office after hours, and a couple of the ones I had to replace were in the little dark room where they develop their x-ray slides. I KNOW there was a bottle of AA sitting there, but I didn't fuck around trying to grab it because my co-workers were close by. Now I wish I would have. I have pretty easy access to decent amounts of MS, and I would LOVE to try some homebake... *kicks self in teeth for missing golden opportunity*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disconnect View Post
    Hmm. Someone I know is planning on enrolling in an art institute in autumn. . .
    don't get any TERRIBLE ideas.
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    Default Re: http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/pdf/heroin.synthesis.pdf

    bastard, when i read the title i thought it was gonna be half a pound of tea, some old engine oil, two tubes of toothpaste in a tub stir it up stick it all in the oven for half an hour on 200 degrees et voila!

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    Default Re: http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/pdf/heroin.synthesis.pdf

    what is all this shit??? dichloromethane? DMAP??? Those are catalysts that speed up acetylating... ALL you need is morphine base in good quantity (or salt...whatever), and AA...acetylating takes place at 85C (no more!!!) for 2-3 hours. That's it !!! You got heroin.
    You WILL need excess of AA, reaction is reversible, also heroin quickly breaks down in water solution so watch for moisture presence.

    AA is NOT easy to get for an average person. It is cheap...$25 for 500 ml bottle but they won't even ship it to residential address.

    All those catalysts do make acetylating 20 times quicker...like maybe 10 minutes instead 2-3 hours and no heat source needed but catalysts are usually REALLY expensive. Acetylating is easy and simple. All you need is heat source, supply of morphine, AA and a little bit of time.

    1 gram of morphine base will require about 200-300ml of AA. Again, morphine base+AA (85C)...2-3 hours...diacetylmorphine.
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    Default Re: http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/pdf/heroin.synthesis.pdf

    In order to convert morphine into heroin, each morphine molecule has to have 2 acetyl groups added to it (at the 3 and 6 positions). So it would take 2 moles acetic anhydride per 1 mole of morphine.

    2 moles acetic anhydride : 1 mole of morphine
    2 x 102.0886 g/mol acetic anhydride : 1 x 285.3377 g/mol morphine
    204.1772 g/mol acetic anhydride : 285.3377 g/mol morphine

    acetic anhydride molar mass / morphine molar mass = 0.716

    For 1 gram of morphine, you'd need 0.716 grams of acetic anhydride. However, that's just the theoretical amount, in practice you'd add more of the cheapest reagent, to make sure that the more expensive reagent gets fully converted. 2-3 times is a reasonable excess. So for 1 gram of morphine you'd need 1.431 - 2.147 grams of acetic anhydride.

    The density of acetic anhydride is 1.073 g/cm. So 1.431 grams of acetic anhydride / 1.073 g/mL = 1.334 mL. And 2.147 grams of acetic anhydride has a volume of 2.001 mL. So to convert 1 gram of morphine into heroin, you'd need 1.33 - 2.00 mL of acetic anhydride.

    That's assuming that you are doing the reaction under reflux, so that any acetic anhydride that escapes will condense and drip back down again. So if doing this in a spoon covered with tin foil, which is not done under reflux, you'd be best off adding slightly more.

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    Default Re: http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/pdf/heroin.synthesis.pdf

    Seen step by step pictured procedure where guy made h; plain AA and morphine, tin foil and heat... HO HO!

    The guy took shot and was happy.

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    Default Re: http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/pdf/heroin.synthesis.pdf

    If your in a field in Afghanastan converting opium into powder then you use what you can get. If your professional you follow the patent route - it's like that for several good reasons, convenience being one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckles View Post
    AA isn't really all that difficult to obtain if somebody lives near an art school. It's used in photography development, so it wouldn't be unusual to see a handful of students buying amounts...

    Now I'm almost sure you have to sign a list or something, but it's far from "Gold".

    Although, just like than said, for all the trouble and possible repercussions it would be much more beneficial to just bang the M. Besides, if you are just using and have 24g of pure morphine, wtf would you need to turn it into heroin for?
    Thats a new perspective man. What for is it used in photography? I never really tried to get it cause I just thought its too much watched. On the other hand its one of the chemicals that are beeing produced in some of the biggest amounts due to their wide range of use (Aspirin and so on). I have a photography shop here that sells old cameras which are not gigital but old school... Maybe I give it a try... I will also try the schoolshop around, he sells chemicls and stuff for school-purposes...


    Quote Originally Posted by danny View Post
    bastard, when i read the title i thought it was gonna be half a pound of tea, some old engine oil, two tubes of toothpaste in a tub stir it up stick it all in the oven for half an hour on 200 degrees et voila!
    Sorry ... when I find something like that i promise ill post.:biggrin:
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    Default Re: http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/pdf/heroin.synthesis.pdf

    ok...any amount of AA for a school supply and other "commercial" purpose (usually bottles of 500 or 1000ml) MUST be shipped to business address i.e. school or photo lab etc. ONLY !!! No residential shipping of ANY KIND. That's it. Everywhere you go! That's in the USA, rules can be different in the EU.
    The only thing i found that can be shipped to residential address is so called aspirin making kit, a kit of chemicals to make aspirin for a school project, that includes 2 25ml bottles of AA among other mostly useless shit for $39.99 and some 50ml bottle of AA on EBay for $50

    so 20 grams of morphine is easier to obtain this days than 50ml of AA you'd need to acetylate it.
    Please, please, please keep the temperature at 85C (185F) everything above it WILL destroy some morphine !!! Also slow and steady wins the race, minimum of 2 hours will get most fully acetylated product. BTW rice cooker is perfect acetlyating apparatus. ))
    Not sticking a spoon covered with foil into 250F oven for 15 min...

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    Default Re: http://www.lycaeum.org/rhodium/pdf/heroin.synthesis.pdf

    Thats good info, Bugsy. I have asked my local chemical dealer, its a small shop who sells materials for school, chemicals, lab equipment etc. I asked her (have bought chloroform there before). She just wanted to write it down to look up if they have it or must order then she stopped and said that AA cant be ordered anymore. Sounded like it is a relatively new law. The EU is making laws on everything (they now plan on forbidding normal showers, only perlator-showers may be sold due to their plans, to safe water, the light bulb over 60 W is already forbidden... but thats a different subject...)....

    Do you think schools have it? Making aspirin sounds like a very good experiment for school, maybe thats another place to look...

    What exactly is AA used for in photography?

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