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    Hey guys. There isnt much on phenibut on this site and I thought it might be useful to post a succesful taper experience.

    Ive been using phenibut for the past 3 months, twice a day. My habit started out at about 2 or 3 grams a day but had risen to about 7 grams a day within a month or so.

    For those of you that dont know. Phenibut (beta phenyl gamma amniobutyric acid) is a gaba b agonist similar to ghb and baclofen but also different in many ways.

    It is availiable from body building and supplement websites and is sold as a dietary supplement similar to gaba. Unlike gaba, phenibut does cross the bbb and the effects can be quite profound.

    I have detoxed from high dose lyrica and baclofen (cold turkey) and it was hell! I am not going to make the same mistake twice. When I say hell I mean it. I once was forced into a 6mg a day clonazepam cold turkey detox, that was bad but not as bad as the baclofen/lyrica detox, just to give you an idea.

    I started the taper about 4 or 5 days ago. I went from 6 or 7 grams a day down to 4 in one jump without any wd. The 4 grams a day kept me well but I didnt notice any effects from it which is a good thing since that is the point of a taper.

    Over the next 4 days, I slowly brought myself down to about 2 grams a day. That is quite fast but I dont have much left to work with and it seems like a fast taper is ok for my body. Fast or slow doesnt seem to make much of a difference to me as long as I get down to 300mg or less before the final jump.

    I took .5 g this morning and am going to try to only take .5 g more later.

    My plan is after I make the jump from phenibut I am going to switch over to gaba as needed.
    Gaba is like the loperamide of gaba b agonists. Not much crosses the bbb but enough does to provide a little relief.
    I will update the thread as my taper progresses.
    If anyone has any suggestions or feedback please post it!

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    I just want to elaborate on the wd of phenibut and other gaba b agonists.

    The wd feels virtually identical to benzos IME but worse. Seizures and convulsions are a possibility and believe me when I say that I will go straight into the ER if I am experiencing any intense wd symptoms after the taper is complete.
    I was out of phenibut for 2 days or so (ordering problems) before I knew how bad it could get. I didnt sleep a wink and when I did it didnt feel like sleep. It felt more like I was wide awake but paralyzed and hallucinating. Basically waking dreams during sleep paralysis. Horrific to say the least all while I was literally lying in a puddle of sweat.

    One of the worst symptoms is the skin crawlies. Clothes feel unwearable and seem to be made of the scratchiest steel wool.

    If anyone becomes physically dependent on phenibut, baclofen, or ghb the most important thing is to taper! Even if its a 3 day taper the wd symptoms can be reduced by up to 90% vs cold turkey.

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    Just to clarify, I have been using the pure powder phenibut and weighing out my doses on a scale. It is much cheaper this way vs the capsules that are on the market.
    If anyone has any tapering or withdrawal stories for phenibut, baclofen, or ghb please post them.

    I should also add "why" I am planning to get off of it.
    The main reason is because I do not like the fact that I am physically dependent on another chemical. Especially since cold turkey wd can be deadly in rare cases.
    I also have built up such a tolerance that even in mega doses I do not get that much of an effect. Tolerance developes quicker with these types of substances than with any other drug IME. At first, 2 grams or so had me feeling good for about 12 or more hours. By the end of the week I was able to take 4.5 g in one dose and still not get the effects I had at 2 g only a few days prior!

    I just feel that its stupid to be physically dependent on something that gives me very little effect. At least with opioids since Ive been taking them daily (this run) for about 8 years straight I still get my "glow" from the methadone.

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    I mainly take it for anxiety but its also a great muscle relaxer and depressant.

    Honestly a lot of times I just take it for the buzz. It is a great potentiator for opiates and seems to actually make me feel "high" if I take it with my methadone on the weekends if Im off of work.

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    Wow, I wasn't aware those drugs caused such severe withdrawal, especially Lyrca. Seems like every drug out on the market these days leaves you more crippled than you were before taking the new med. Shame, really.

    I have taken phenibut before, but I found it really didn't do much and it gave me moderate to severe stomach pain, depending on the dose.

    Good luck on your taper man. You should up your opiate intake on days when you feel especially crappy.
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    They sell some sleeping aids with Phenibut at the Vitamin Shoppe here (where I get my Kava) and have been hesitant to pick it up because of all the reports of withdrawal. Think I'll just steer clear of this one.

    Wish you all the luck in the world, withdrawal sucks ass! :cool:
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    Just an update.
    Yesterday, for my evening dose I was planning on trying to get by with just .5 grams of phenibut but I figured just to be on the safe side and avoid wd I dosed .65 g. Its a good thing I did because even at that dose I experienced some unpleasant wd symptoms in the wee hours of the morning. I was having these dreams that I was driving in a car and trying to out run a lightning storm. Well I didnt out run the storm and the car ended up being struck by lightning multiple times. In my dream it felt like I was being electrocuted each time the lightning struck me. I finally woke up and it was obvious that I had been thrashing and jolting in my bed. This worries me because its hard to tell whether I was having spasms and convulsion like effects because of the dream or if I had the dream because of the spasms.

    I awoke this morning feeling very out of it and in phenibut wd. I took .4 g for my morning dose and I plan I only taking .4 g for my evening dose. If I feel sick by that time I will take .5 g just to be on the safe side.

    The local health food store has gaba capsules 100 ct for $10 which seems pretty cheap for a store. Gaba is the supplement I compared as the loperamide of gaba b agonists.

    I am going to pick it up today and start supplementing my phenibut taper with those.

    I only have about 2g of material left so I need to be smart with the last bit. I am currently at about .8 - .9 g a day so I need to take as little as possible to avoid severe wd's.

    If anyone has any advice or a schedule for finishing the taper I'd love to hear it.

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    So my last dose of phenibut was 2 days ago at .3 g. I am completely out and the store that sells the GABA has been closed all weekend.

    I'm having some pretty significant wd symptoms but nothing too bad. The worst is irritability and feeling overall very weak. I'm hoping it ends soon.

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    Hey -
    Good luck there Billy-
    me has had experience w/ ghb
    more so gbhb back in the day before it was scheduled
    kind of dangerous stuff IMHO
    WAY too extreme dose/ratio curve

    never had dependency so IDK?
    can you perhaps get a few vals to smooth things out a few days

    take care -very good thread BTW

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    Phenibut is almost exactly like baclofen - baclofen is ß(beta)-chloro-Γ-fen(phenyl)butyric acid.

    They have identical mechanisms of action. However, baclofen has a longer half-life, and is 20-50 times as potent as phenibut, and so would be much more desirable to taper a phenibut habit with than phenibut itself, not to mention the pills come in scored 10mg tablets, so you can get a dose down to 5mg (100-250mg of phenibut) easily, before jumping off, accurately measured.

    I do take baclofen, in increasing doses, for the cravings of heroin that buprenorphine doesn't cover, and methadone partially did; I'm on 30mg QID currently, and it's slightly sedative, but it does work better than any non-opioid drug I've ever seen for reducing, and at times eliminating, cravings for dope. Something about GABA-B agonism tweaks the (now dopamine-dependent, after dope addiction) nucleus accumbens, and the (now GABA-excited, instead of inhibited, and also dopamine-dependent instead of independent, as in a non-addicted brain) ventral tegmental area/nucleus accumbens shell cascading reward pathway in such a way as to minimise the apparent effects of long-term addiction, craving, and obsession.

    It really doesn't do anything for the anhedonia, but now that I think of it, before I used dope, I didn't enjoy anything either, so I'm not any more anhedonic than I was before I was ever addicted to anything. If dope was the only activity that ever gave me "hedonic pleasure" of any sort (besides smoking weed when I was a teenager, even though weed-smoking, when I couldn't control the emotional effects of it, was an involuntary "pleasure" [laughing, etc.] that I found uncomfortable), it is no surprise that no drug will make me "non-anhedonic:" dope isn't magical, it didn't happen to make me enjoy shit that I never found enjoyable (socialising, sex, food, etc.) just because I got addicted to it, and then got on maintenance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the good doctor View Post
    Phenibut is almost exactly like baclofen - baclofen is ß(beta)-chloro-Γ-fen(phenyl)butyric acid.

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    Hey guys. I wanted to bump this thread since there is a new thread on phenibut. It has been awhile now (that last .3 g was my last dose, months ago) and I wanted to give a little bit of an update.

    I didn't end up getting the GABA and using that at the end of my phenibut taper. It may have helped but that stuff doesn't cross the BBB anything like phenibut.

    I did experience some significant withdrawal symptoms when I completely stopped. I tapered way too fast but I had to since I had a very small amount of phenibut left to taper with.

    I would definitely reccomend 3 days on and 3 days off when it comes to using the phenibut to avoid dependence.

    Phenibut can be a great way to taper off of benzos too. If anyone has anything else to add to this thread I'd like to hear it.

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    Cool thanks for the info... I Hope this helps someone because benzos can be a bit too much deal with after you already went through hell.

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    I hate Phen.

    I tried it twice and both times it put me to sleep (more like knocked me out) for about 12-16 hours and left me feeling like shit for the next 48 hours

    Worst "Hangover" ever.

    Laying on the bathroom floor, unable to move for fear of puking, unable to eat or drink anything, etc...


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