kind of surprised by black tar heroin

[aDoS]

Well, a few days ago I randomly decided to get some coke, because I have surprisingly never tried it before. I was planning to get some OCs with it too for the comedown, but I was told there were no OCs, but there was h. So I got that instead. It looked exactly like I figured CA dope would look. Very black, hard, smelled weird...like, something acidic with mexican spices or something.

Anyways, when I prepped the first shot, I decided to use a super tiny piece from the chunk to test the potency; but honestly, it was such a tiny piece, I wasn't even expecting to get high. I was wrong though, it felt like shooting over 60mg of oxycodone (which is a decent amount for me, I have a low tolerance). So I am pretty damn happy with the potency, considering it was only like 1/30th of the chunk that felt like over 60mg of oxy.

Another thing that surprised me even more is how I was expecting the shot to be really dark, like coca cola color maybe. But it was really light brown. I thought maybe it was maybe because I used so little of it, but I used more in a diff shot and it was the same way. The solution in the shot didn't appear to be gummy either. After reading so much about how much tar sucked on these boards, I figured it was going to be pretty shitty. Maybe I am just a heroin noob, but I am pretty happy with the tar I got. Maybe I just lucked out? I don't really see myself buying OCs anymore and paying 40 dollars for a single shot....when I can pay like 4-5 dollars for a single shot of H, heh, especially since OC doesn't even give me a rush or make me feel euphoric.

[Billy the kid]

The few times Ive had tar in Denver it was really good but ive heard denver has good tar. Around here (powder only) the friends I have that used to use in denver all talk about tar like it's the holy grail. Its probably just the "grass is greener" effect though.

Be careful though buddy. Cheap dope can be a curse. I can hear you climbing that ladder from here! good luck bro

[The_Chef]

I don't really see myself buying OCs anymore and paying 40 dollars for a single shot....when I can pay like 4-5 dollars for a single shot of H, heh, especially since OC doesn't even give me a rush or make me feel euphoric.

It sounds like good quality heroin. Nothing more and nothing less.

Be bloody careful homeslice. That's the exact line of reasoning that has been getting people strung out on heroin (way worse than they were on Oxy to boot) since Oxycontin hit the scene about 15 years ago.

...and before you respond, I know that you have impeccable self-control and a perfectly devised scheduling system (third monday of every month, plus full moons, every other day on months that start with J, and every other thursday and sunday alternating on months that start with A) that will never fail you. We all did.

You may not be paying much for dope now compared with you were for Oxycodone but you will end up paying one way or another down the line. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

[Spork]

Dude invest in some wheel filters.

You don't want to have your heart valves taken over by some bacterial vegetation and die a horrible death.


Black tar is notorious for having all kinds of bacterial impurities and other shit in it due to it's lower level of refinement.

Be careful!

[Thanat0s]

...the best tar cooks up light yellowish brown,
cocacola colored shots=crap...

as far as the bacterial infestations, just cook tar till it bubbles a second or two,
should kill most of the nasties...


BIG COTTONS, double filter...

good tar is a thing of beauty.

[warbux]

It sounds like good quality heroin. Nothing more and nothing less.

Be bloody careful homeslice. That's the exact line of reasoning that has been getting people strung out on heroin (way worse than they were on Oxy to boot) since Oxycontin hit the scene about 15 years ago.

...and before you respond, I know that you have impeccable self-control and a perfectly devised scheduling system (third monday of every month, plus full moons, every other day on months that start with J, and every other thursday and sunday alternating on months that start with A) that will never fail you. We all did.

You may not be paying much for dope now compared with you were for Oxycodone but you will end up paying one way or another down the line. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

I prefer the scheduling system of only using on days that end with Y.

[Import]

Tar gets a bad name because some of it is sooooo bad (See Seattle, alot of spots in cali, etc). However, good tar is one of my favorite things ever. Due to it's lower level of refinement, it contains relativley high levels of M and 6-MAM, which gives me some of the awsome body high present in opium/morphine.

Powders great too, but if I honestly had to pick between some bomb as powder and bomb ass tar, I would have to think about it. Many would disagree however.

Yeah, H always starts off cheaper. Problem is, your tolerance will be affected accordingly and you will have to shoot larger and larger amounts. Still cheaper than OC, but not the "miracle" many of us cross-over users initialy think it to be.

Have fun, be careful.

[jlaw666]

It sounds like good quality heroin. Nothing more and nothing less.
Be bloody careful homeslice. That's the exact line of reasoning that has been getting people strung out on heroin (way worse than they were on Oxy to boot) since Oxycontin hit the scene about 15 years ago.
...and before you respond, I know that you have impeccable self-control and a perfectly devised scheduling system (third monday of every month, plus full moons, every other day on months that start with J, and every other thursday and sunday alternating on months that start with A) that will never fail you. We all did.
You may not be paying much for dope now compared with you were for Oxycodone but you will end up paying one way or another down the line. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

haha that was funny as fuck man.... I know all about those crazy systems that I SWEAR it's gonna work this time...hahahaha

[LuckyNumber13]

It sounds like good quality heroin. Nothing more and nothing less.

Be bloody careful homeslice. That's the exact line of reasoning that has been getting people strung out on heroin (way worse than they were on Oxy to boot) since Oxycontin hit the scene about 15 years ago.

...and before you respond, I know that you have impeccable self-control and a perfectly devised scheduling system (third monday of every month, plus full moons, every other day on months that start with J, and every other thursday and sunday alternating on months that start with A) that will never fail you. We all did.

You may not be paying much for dope now compared with you were for Oxycodone but you will end up paying one way or another down the line. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

hell yeah, it went from that to only using on days that end with a y


lol

[duck]

I loooooove good tar. I even almost prefer it to Euro #3. At least you don't have to have citric, though that is ridiculously easy to get over there.

[JonnyM]

good tar is good for the soul.

[jlaw666]

I've only done tar about 5-6 times, and each time it made me extremely nauseated, but only when I was sitting up.. Laying down I was fine as wine, but sit up or stand up and it was almost immediate projectile vomiting exorcist shit.

Has anyone else experienced this? I was in no way opiate naive, I had a real good habit going with powder H. But, my tar supply was from one source, I was thinking maybe it was some cut they had added perhaps...

[george123]

You must have gotten lucky cause black tar (in the bay area) is weak as hell.

[kolesmiv]

Lately I've been doing black tar and I've had the same results as well--

My 80 dealer graduated from college and moved back home, leaving me with shit. I had a run with tar around September of '09 and I gave up on it because it was super addicting but hardly getting me high. But I found a new H dealer recently because I was sick of my subs and wanted to get high again. This tar is more expensive and definitely worth the extra money. .02 gets me pretty lit, when I'd have to do AT LEAST .05 of the other shit. *shrugs*

I guess it just depends on who you're getting it from. Good tar is definitely out there, even in the Bay Area.

[paups]

good tar is good for the soul.

+1

[austinslacker]

First time I did H, it was black tar. I snorted for 3 days and stopped. Early 4th day and I was going through the most intense WD. Needless to say, I didn't even know those wd's were because of the tar. Went cold turkey for 3 days. All hell broke loose, DAMN!

[Count Zero]

I scored tar in the Tenderlon and EPA 1987-1999 and I miss it. I haven't seen it in 10+ years and I can still jones at the memory of that beautiful vinegar acid stench on the good stuff (I smoked most of mine). If I could find some of that stuff on the east coast, I'd be very tempted. And yes, I know, the grass is always greener.

[euphoricontin17]

Well, a few days ago I randomly decided to get some coke, because I have surprisingly never tried it before. I was planning to get some OCs with it too for the comedown, but I was told there were no OCs, but there was h. So I got that instead. It looked exactly like I figured CA dope would look. Very black, hard, smelled weird...like, something acidic with mexican spices or something.

Anyways, when I prepped the first shot, I decided to use a super tiny piece from the chunk to test the potency; but honestly, it was such a tiny piece, I wasn't even expecting to get high. I was wrong though, it felt like shooting over 60mg of oxycodone (which is a decent amount for me, I have a low tolerance). So I am pretty damn happy with the potency, considering it was only like 1/30th of the chunk that felt like over 60mg of oxy.

Another thing that surprised me even more is how I was expecting the shot to be really dark, like coca cola color maybe. But it was really light brown. I thought maybe it was maybe because I used so little of it, but I used more in a diff shot and it was the same way. The solution in the shot didn't appear to be gummy either. After reading so much about how much tar sucked on these boards, I figured it was going to be pretty shitty. Maybe I am just a heroin noob, but I am pretty happy with the tar I got. Maybe I just lucked out? I don't really see myself buying OCs anymore and paying 40 dollars for a single shot....when I can pay like 4-5 dollars for a single shot of H, heh, especially since OC doesn't even give me a rush or make me feel euphoric.

Yeah brother, I had this same revelation a while ago too, except I didn't realize it, unfortunately, until I was banging $120 shots...

[Billy the kid]

First time I did H, it was black tar. I snorted for 3 days and stopped. Early 4th day and I was going through the most intense WD. Needless to say, I didn't even know those wd's were because of the tar. Went cold turkey for 3 days. All hell broke loose, DAMN!

I find that very hard to believe. It normally takes months of everyday usage, multiple times a day to get a true habit. In 3 days some degree of physical dependence is reached, clinically, but to actually "feel" sick takes awhile for your first habit. Subsequent habits ime can develope in a week or so though.
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I dont mean to be a dick that just struck me as inaccurate and I dont want people to think they're in wd after using for their first 3 days.

Sorry for the rant but that is one of my pet peeves when people new to the game use for a few days and think they are feeling desperate wd and are all of the sudden hopelessly addicted. Physical dependence is a fairly long cellular process that developes over time not in 3 days!

Edit= I do want to clarify that I mean our first habit. After that 3 days may be possible no matter how much clean time.

[koolgai]

good tar is good for the soul.

yeah and it feels great on your veins too

[austinslacker]

Billy, I know what WD are and that stuff I had , had been given to me. Prior, I had never had done any. For 3 days straight, I had endless amount and would nod off, do it again,etc. Then I began to get sick of the smell, so I stopped. Fourth day, no H, though I had plenty around me. However, I did not know about WD back then, I was very young. I went 3 days CT. I was a noob then, but this was over 20 years ago.

My life was very different back then. I had a whole golf size of tar, all gooey, looked like dirty oil. Of course, I was turning it to powder. LOL!! It had been given to me. As I mentioned, I snorted the stuff 3 days non stop, just nodding, passing out, starting again. I look back now and realize I could've possible gotten much more than a high as much I was using for a noob. I snorted it, not slammed. When I went into WD, there was this gunk of tar just sitting in my dresser, but being so naive, I didn't realize all I needed to do was do some more to make the WD stop.

After the about a week after stopping a friend told me exactly what had happened. I had not resumed doing it because just that smell made me wanna barf. Boy, did that scare the shit outta me. I didn't touch it for another 10 years. I learned to respect H. Now, I know.

I'm writing this to let those that think tar is not good, to get the right stuff and maybe you'll change your mind.

[Woody Bear]

Probably it was more likely that you caught the flu and thought it was withdrawals.

As unless you used massive amounts of other opioids daily for over a month, before you first did the heroin, then 3 days use is not enough time to become physically dependent if you have never had a habit before.

If you have become opioid dependent once, then after that 3 days use is enough to trigger it again. But if you've not had a habit before, than 3 days use is not enough time to become physically dependent.

[austinslacker]

Ya know, anything is possible. Could've been the flu, but I did see a Dr. as soon as I was able to stop shitting and throwing up continuously, and found nothing wrong. I was sitting on the toilet with a bucket in front of me, sweating profusely, almost choking with the vomit and diarrhea like never in my life.

Dunno, I had been on Lortabs, taking 8-10 a day, but don't think that was strong enough addiction. I do know I had never done anything as strong as H prior.

Either way, I know tar can be pretty potent, if not trampled on. Ya guys do give me reason to think it may have been something else contributing, now gets me to thinking. However, its been so long. I sincerely appreciate the feedback.

[gameface]

Billy, I know what WD are and that stuff I had , had been given to me. Prior, I had never had done any. For 3 days straight, I had endless amount and would nod off, do it again,etc. Then I began to get sick of the smell, so I stopped. Fourth day, no H, though I had plenty around me. However, I did not know about WD back then, I was very young. I went 3 days CT. I was a noob then, but this was over 20 years ago.

My life was very different back then. I had a whole golf size of tar, all gooey, looked like dirty oil. Of course, I was turning it to powder. LOL!! It had been given to me. As I mentioned, I snorted the stuff 3 days non stop, just nodding, passing out, starting again. I look back now and realize I could've possible gotten much more than a high as much I was using for a noob. I snorted it, not slammed. When I went into WD, there was this gunk of tar just sitting in my dresser, but being so naive, I didn't realize all I needed to do was do some more to make the WD stop.

After the about a week after stopping a friend told me exactly what had happened. I had not resumed doing it because just that smell made me wanna barf. Boy, did that scare the shit outta me. I didn't touch it for another 10 years. I learned to respect H. Now, I know.

I'm writing this to let those that think tar is not good, to get the right stuff and maybe you'll change your mind.

I don't post all that much.
I think you are lying or stupid.
No offense, i could be wrong;
About one of my statements.

[losangeleslifer]

I don't think those were WD, rather over consumption (technically OD, you don't have to be on deaths door to be ODing. Another debatable definition around here).

What you described can be side effects for ingesting too much heroin, especially for virgin users.

[909kick]

+1 on the wheel filter if you can't aford that get sterfilts always remember to filter with a big cotton like T said before you use a filter even sterfilts get clogged.

[austinslacker]

Gameface, what makes you the Opiophile moral compass? Why would I lie? Its sad that people such as you makes some of us not want to post out of not being believed or being called stupid. I really take offense to that. I am not a heavy heroin user nor make up stories as I go along. However, you are entitled to your take on anyone's post, but there are different ways other than how you do it. Look at my post, are any of them claiming I'm knowledgeable on heroin? No, because I'm not.

LosAngeleslifer, i am more prone to accept your version of what may have happened because I really just was repulsed by the smell. I regard your post as being a well educated, informative post as well as Woody and Billy the Kid's. I've only dabbled in it and that was 10 years after my first experience with Black Tar. Now, I get pharms from PM.
Peace

[Thanat0s]

slack:
TX has same xilacio(sp) dope as OKC,
and the stuff is as good as tar gets,
and yeah, its as good as 'ok' powder, easily.

took me a month or two of .1g a day use IV to start getting sick,
BUT if predisposed to opiate habit
due to prior regular use of weaker opies etc,
i dont doubt that a few days of THAT H could induce w/d...

if totally opiate naive, not so likely.

miss that OK/TX tar, still.

[D Man]

I used to love the Mexican black tar that was available here, but recently it's turned to absolute shit, weak as hell, and cut with instant coffee and shoe polish. I don't know what happened, but those Mexican boys must have experienced a serious interruption in their Xalisco supply chain, or just plain got fucking greedy...

Fortunately, really good powder dope is now seems to be everywhere, and has filled the niche that used to be occupied by the tar...

[gameface]

I used to love the Mexican black tar that was available here, but recently it's turned to absolute shit, weak as hell, and cut with instant coffee and shoe polish. I don't know what happened, but those Mexican boys must have experienced a serious interruption in their Xalisco supply chain, or just plain got fucking greedy...

Fortunately, really good powder dope is now seems to be everywhere, and has filled the niche that used to be occupied by the tar...

Are you for sure that it was the Xalisco people u were dealing with, in other words, is it generally known that they are the main source of the tar in ur area? Is it also a known fact that their supply chain was broken?

I am only asking b/c it would be great if somehow systematically the BTH distribution routes could be broken down/ disabled w/e and everywhere east of the Mississippi could have powder too.

Now i know u say the new powder is good as well. Props (I edited this post b/c i read it wrong before) However it seems that you had decent tar in your area to begin with. Was it hard on your veins? AS a whole, most of the western states get super shitty tar in comparison to East Coast Powder. Maybe the mid-southern Atlantic states get tar from a different region than us West Coasters get our crappy gear from.

Anyone know enough about how the BTH distribution and supply routes from Mexico, or any other BTH producing region to the US work?