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    Default Most Massive Tolerance You've Ever Seen

    I posted this in the oxy forum because my story relates to oxy, but you can share your experience about a massive tolerance with any substance..

    but anyway, swim has a friend who is definitely the most serious oxy user he has ever seen, and it really blows swims mind sometimes just how much oxy this guy can do.

    on most days, i'd say this guy will blow through ten 80s and a handful of blues. he mixed up oxy and roxi powder and rails lines of it. on some days, this guy is easily doing 1000 MILLIGRAMS of oxycodone a day, and swim has NEVER seen him nod or even show any serious signs of being under the influence.

    The only way swim knows when he is really stoned is when his right eye starts to close a little bit more than the left.

    swims friend sells oxy too so this is how he has acquired and is able to maintain this absolutely crazy habit.

    so my question is...

    In all your experiences, who have you seen/met who has the most massive tolerance, or does the most oxy (or another doc), and what is the story behind them? where are they now? still keeping up that habit? even if it was you, tell us the story.

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    no comparison to limits swim reached...200-250mg/day habitually....I know of a human that does a dozen 30mg Roxi/day...your bud is doing 3-5 times those amounts - I can imagine it, never seen or done it...and would think that the day he chooses to come off it I'd say some prayers...bitch of a detox.
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    I hope madam oxy see this, if I'm remembering right - she had one of those monster tolerances.
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    For some reason Oxy doesn't affect me like other opiates. I used to get OxyFast scripted to me. It was 20mg/mL, 30 mL per bottles x 6. On more than one occasion I've drank a whole bottle (600mg) and barely felt it. I've always had that problem with Oxycodone, no matter what form it's in.

    If I take 600mg of Morphine I'll be on the nod all day. I forget the relative strength of Oxy compared to Morphine. (I think Oxy is 1.5 times stronger than Morphine) but my body doesn't seem to believe it.

    Back to the subject. I used to know some one who was IVing close to a gram-and-a-half of Dilaudid every day. No, it wasn't me but it was someone I grew-up with. You'll notice I said was IVing. The guy ended up getting hold of a shit-load of
    Numorphan and was mixing it with Crystal Meth in his search for the old-days of actually feeling high, and not just getting well, from IVing.

    He pushed it way beyond the limit and is now ODead. I'm not trying to be funny. He was a close friend for many years. I forget what the toxicology report said regarding what and how much of it was in his blood at the time he died. His parents thought it was a misprint but those of us that knew him, knew better. I saved it and will paste it here when/if I find it.

    I'm not trying to dis the OP but having a massive tolerance usually ends badly and is nothing to brag about. Mainly brings back sad memories.
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    I've known people that would IV multiple bundles of dope a day (at least 1 gram if you take the cut into account. 1 bundle roughly equals 1 gram, including the cut). I know at my worst in my addiction, I ate 2 80's and a 40 OC that barely got me well (they were given to me, as I do not really like oxy but I was sick.. it made me feel better, but I still couldn't sleep), but I had quite the dope habit at the time. If yout keep using everyday, pushing your dose further and further, the sky (or your bank account =P) is the limit. Supposedly, Aleister Crowley had quite the opiate habit up until his death, and was using heroic amounts just to keep well.

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    i know a few people with (mts)monster tolerance syndrome.

    my uncle who recently died of cancer, used to wear around 30 fent patches at a time. he looked like a mummy! he also did a ton of oc, not sure how much. after that he got onto methadone and was at 290mg a day. plus he would buy some other peoples take homes. so at night he would take another 200mgs! he was a big dude, but his tolerance was crazy. when he was in hospice and dieing they would give him tons of oc, with a dillie iv that he could push the button every few minutes.

    my step-mother is the biggest dope user i know. they are millionaires on that side of the family. but they don't give her much because of her drug use. she still gets enough to do 6 buns a day! she shoots buns up at a time. weird thing is, she has been using for over 20 years and has never had an od. she has hep and all that stuff, but just find her never having an od odd...

    my best friend, is getting up there with his tolerance to dope. he always had a big oc habit back in the day, when that was his doc. he would do around 5 80's a day, plus some xanax. not that big,but still a decent habit.

    in the end having a big habit would suck. i don't know anyone that is happy about it..

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    5 is about adverage here. but can easy go 10 or 12 oc 80s on fill day. not crazy but not nothing either. I HATE bars (xanax) tho. roxies maybe like 15 -20 a day when i am in bad pain. this is over a 24 hr period, and sometime when i wake up the next day i wond really do anything as i still feel them from the day prior.

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    wow! a gram of oxy a day? my goodness! How long has he been hooked? that is a LOT....

    i kno a girl who also sells and she does 8 blues 4x a day....or like close to it, thats her "regimen" i guess.

    well, i never really bothered to do the math but just did and she is basically doin the same as your friend......and that is just wild!!!! Shes like him too cuz she never seems fucked up and holds it together well.

    BUT i have always thought like "damn what the FUCK is she gonna do if she has to withdrawal from that size habit?!" ...like if she got popped or ran out or something.

    Thats a lot of oxy i could never get up to that ... ever... there is NO way i could FUND that size habit. I do anywhere from 60-300mg's of roxi a day. Usually close to 250 - thats the average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeLude View Post
    the day he chooses to come off it I'd say some prayers...bitch of a detox.
    Amen, that's gonna be one ugly bitch! :eek:... (Moment of silence)

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    Maybe you can't tell when your friend is high or not... but I'm damn sure you can tell when he runs out of Oxy.

    When I hear about huge tolerances... all I can think of is what that person is going to have to go through some day. I've been there in the past, and I don't want to have to withdrawal like that ever again. I like my new-found pussy habit.

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    Before i state my max tolly i want to reiterate that in no way do i think it makes me cool or my dick any bigger. Havin a huge tolly absolutely blows and i would give anything to be able to float on two percs for hours like when i started. I am a cper who spent years coppin off the street until i finnaly found docs who would prescribe enough of what i need so i went into it with a pretty big tolly. At my peak i was AVERAGING 8 80mg ocs AND 26mgs of fentora a day (yes i said mgs not mcgs, you do the math). And i was still able to function very well doing great in a high stress corporate job. I feel that once your tolly gets to a certain point there is no going back. The nod and euphoria are nowhere to be found. Anyway. I wish i could go back so enjoy your low tollys and do what u can to stay that way
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    yeah opio what you posted reminded me of my 1st and only voluntary attempt at becoming clean. after my 28 days with coin in hand I went home on a friday by monday back at my docs office with the thought that after a month clean wow 2 7.5 hydos will work like they used to. I was sorely mistaken. I ate the remaining 28 got my swerve back on and even went to a NA meeting loaded on xanax. My pupils not being the only give away my friend Jen said how much was the script fill? Anyway yeah back to the point. I too would trade all of the drugs I get regularly to be able to get high on what used to cross my eyes. Sorry for the derail.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Verine View Post

    I've been there in the past, and I don't want to have to withdrawal like that ever again. I like my new-found pussy habit.
    Me too brotha!! I cherish my pussy habit and I'm so happy to have turned a gorilla on my back to a little monkey. Some of these tolerances are CRAZY! I had(or thought I had) a big habit when I was using oxy, about 160-180mg a day when I quit that shit and got down to 90-120mg Norco(far from easy, but was semi forced due to dealer getting popped). Cool thing is, is since I've dropped my tolerance so heavily I get the same high off these Norcs as I did when I was railing 160mg oxy. Fuck a big tolerance, I feel for those that have them honestly.


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    personally the worst it ever got was like 5-6 80s a day, couldve easily done more if i had the funds. It really is the worst because even after doing that much the chance of me catching a nod were so unlikely unless i took xanax too. Also know of a guy who gets prescribed 360 roxi30's, 180 80s and 120 oc30s too for some reason but his tolerance is insane! he always ends up running out early too and havin to buy shit off the street in order not to get sick cause when he runs out....oh boy. talk about w/d

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    i've seen my buddy in withdrawal and it truly is nasty. the kid was literally pale as a ghost unable to move throwing up, calling me offering any amount of money for anything.

    the crazy thing is, the kid who swim knows is selling the oxys in large quantities so he has enough to support such an outlandish habit and he always picks up again right before he knows hes going to run out soon. in the years ive known him ive only seen him wd once and it sure was ugly... he called me and offered me any amount of money if i could find him somethin..

    this wasnt meant to be a "my dick is huge" thread... the person with that massive tolerance is just somebody I know, not me.. my tolerance is much more reasonable.. around 120mg to get where I want to be..

    but I figured that most people have seen some people who are at these massive levels and its crazy how they dont even nod..

    30 fent patches is absolutely crazy... I think that takes the cake so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Wiggly View Post
    I used to get OxyFast scripted to me. It was 20mg/mL, 30 mL per bottles x 6. On more than one occasion I've drank a whole bottle (600mg) and barely felt it.
    Holy $hit. I use the exact same product...That's a lot of Oxy.


    Quote Originally Posted by panda View Post
    my uncle who recently died of cancer, used to wear around 30 fent patches at a time. he looked like a mummy!
    Holy $hit, $shit. He must have been in a constant coma.


    From a personal perspective, I know two people with massive tolerances. Both are very legitimate PMers with major issues.
    • A lady I know with serious back hardware issues takes 720mg of Oxy per day...Rx is for 480 of 30mg & is only a 20 day supply. She said her pharmacist had to have an in depth discussion with her Doc before filling.
    • Another person I know uses 5000+mcg of fent per day....All pops. The irony of it is that you'd never know....Looks normal, acts normal & etc.

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    Here's a story of some crazy lab rat we will name "norse" in a pretty cool lab. This lab was known for producing monkeys and guerrilla's too HEED!

    Well, In the beginning I had an endless free supply of morph. So that was a bad start to the next few years of my life. What would you do? if you stumbled on someone's 5/10 year supply of morph that they never intended or did never use????? and were never to use. First it was like, hmmmmm I will try one just to see what its like. Then I remember thinking I found the grail. The answer to life's problems. After that it was just a big blur of Orange football 60mg's..... and knod after knod mmmmmmmm good times

    Before the morph ran out, and thoroughly addicted at this point. This Lab rat found an excellent source of Oxy at cost, and of course went on an Oxy run once again, which got up to 1 to 1.5 grams per day, EVERYDAY. Like Uncle Wiggly said up there somewhere, I too never really liked the Oxy that much either, like, the same way I like the morph. Just didn't work with my chemistry as good as the morph did. Morph was much more fulfilling, and oxy more empty.... I dunno. No excuses for such a stupid habit. But when its at cost and you like the nods, thats what you get. No doubt. Well unless you are the Pope himself or maybe Gandhi.

    Through all this, I used pods to maintain, and, believe it or not, they were able to keep me well even dosing a 1000mg Oxy at a time. So take what you will.

    I then got a virtually endless supply of fent. And after all those years the lab rat was finally able to find that same good euphoria and fulfilling body high that he use to get with morphine. With even a bit less fen then the equiv too. On average 3 100ug patches were used a day.

    Well needless to say, that poor little rat came a little too close to death too many times and just could not stand the W/D's anymore even with pods to help, so he decided to go to the clinic and try and get help and also try and get my tolerance in check.

    So thats where the story ends. Wish I had a bit more self control but eh, little late for that now.

    I must say the clinic has been good to me. Given me a break away, as sorts. And def helped to get the tolerance down.

    Be careful everyone.

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    Good thread. I wish luck for your friend, and everyone else who's chasing the uncatchable.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeLude View Post
    ... would think that the day he chooses to come off it I'd say some prayers...bitch of a detox.
    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Wiggly View Post

    Back to the subject. I used to know some one who was IVing close to a gram-and-a-half of Dilaudid every day...You'll notice I said was IVing...
    He pushed it way beyond the limit and is now ODead. I'm not trying to be funny. He was a close friend for many years.

    I'm not trying to dis the OP but having a massive tolerance usually ends badly and is nothing to brag about. Mainly brings back sad memories.
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    in the end having a big habit would suck. i don't know anyone that is happy about it..

    Quote Originally Posted by wisegal View Post
    BUT i have always thought like "damn what the FUCK is she gonna do if she has to withdrawal from that size habit?!" ...like if she got popped or ran out or something.

    Thats a lot of oxy i could never get up to that ... ever... there is NO way i could FUND that size habit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Verine View Post
    Maybe you can't tell when your friend is high or not... but I'm damn sure you can tell when he runs out of Oxy.

    When I hear about huge tolerances... all I can think of is what that person is going to have to go through some day. I've been there in the past, and I don't want to have to withdrawal like that ever again. I like my new-found pussy habit.
    I agree with the majority of posts on here: a monster tolerance is nothing to brag about.

    Given too much money and easy access, anyone can run up tol to nightmare proportions. I'm lucky, I guess, that I don't have either problem, although I often feel the opposite of lucky, LOL. I can take a short walk and find heroin, but that's not my game. However, I don't know a single pills guy. I'd be lying if I said this lameness didn't frustrate me sometimes (especially when in pain and not enough $$ for Doc and Rx), but OTOH I'm happy to be kept on the low-tol straight & narrow.

    As many pointed out in the "Less Is More" thread, once we start chasing we almost immediately start to see diminishing returns.

    I've actually been thinking for the past month how best to express these ideas myself, and have been really glad over the past few days to see so many do it much better than I could.


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    Me too brotha!! I cherish my pussy habit and I'm so happy to have turned a gorilla on my back to a little monkey. Some of these tolerances are CRAZY! I had(or thought I had) a big habit when I was using oxy, about 160-180mg a day when I quit that shit and got down to 90-120mg Norco(far from easy, but was semi forced due to dealer getting popped). Cool thing is, is since I've dropped my tolerance so heavily I get the same high off these Norcs as I did when I was railing 160mg oxy. Fuck a big tolerance, I feel for those that have them honestly.
    Now that's something to brag about.

    When I was wearing patches, I couldn't even feel my norcos. It took a while, after kicking the fent, but it was exciting to both get pain relief and a nice lift from norcos.

    But one thing bothers me...

    There should be more pills in this bottle, shouldn't there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhedmo View Post
    Now that's something to brag about.

    When I was wearing patches, I couldn't even feel my norcos. It took a while, after kicking the fent, but it was exciting to both get pain relief and a nice lift from norcos.

    But one thing bothers me...

    There should be more pills in this bottle, shouldn't there?
    Hahha love the cat pic.

    Yeah man, I honestly do feel that same buzz, but it took 5 years to get there.... I actually had a worse habit than that to tell ya the truth. I think I posted about somewhere.


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    Dude, that cat pic is AWESOME.

    My tolerance is fucked and I hate it. An "average" day for me is about 90mgs of 'done and 480mgs of OC. Usually a bar of xanax spread throughout the day, as well. All that and I might feel high for an hour or 2. Fucking sucks.

    I could easily do 800-1000mgs of OC, and like everybody has said its nothing to brag about. Just drains money and makes life a hassle. On days that I get fent patches, I smoke em till they are gone. Can go through 10 in 100mcg patches in a day. That day I am FUCKED UP tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synack View Post
    I hope madam oxy see this, if I'm remembering right - she had one of those monster tolerances.
    Good memory, Sy.

    Yeah, I had a good tolerance...
    For over a year I was taking:
    every 8 hours, OxyCodone 3 30's with 3 20's = 450 mg a day
    every 3-4 hrs, OxyContin 6 30's then when up to 10 30's = 720mg to 1200mg a day.
    So that's what.....on average 1600+ mgs of oxy a day? Damn.
    Every now and then I would get Opana's and do those, or fent and wear them also.... Not proud, just stating fact.

    The ex-hubs had an enormous habit of fent. The rehab docs told him that he was taking enough fent to kill four men. He was eating 4-5 BOXES of 100mcgs patches A DAY. He thought you couldn't tell, but anybody would have been able to.

    p.s. I'm off oxy now. Haven't had any in about 2 weeks. Feel okay for the most part, but went thru a horrible 4-day period of being sick...like having the intestinal flu. It's definitely easier to get addicted than UNaddicted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madam Oxy View Post
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    It's definitely easier to get addicted than UNaddicted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madam Oxy View Post
    p.s. I'm off oxy now. Haven't had any in about 2 weeks. Feel okay for the most part, but went thru a horrible 4-day period of being sick...like having the intestinal flu. It's definitely easier to get addicted than UNaddicted.
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    Hey Madam Oxy. Thats amazing, not sure if you posted about it anywhere else. But, are you totally clean now? Free from everything? or just the Oxy? and moved on to something like sub or methadone? Either way congrats I still had trouble even in the beginning with the methadone.

    So job well done for sure

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    ya my homie used to do a grip too like i remember one time im chillin at his pad and he did 14 30s at once he snorts em and after doing the line (which was more of a mountain lol) he goes " well i should be feeling something here shortly"

    and this other kid i remember he would do 10 30s in the morning, 10 in the afternoon and 10 at night, thats crazy too. that same guy one time he was at my house and hes like "look at these 80s i bought for today, but im not gonna do any right now....well maybe il just do 2.5 greens" im like thinking how do you go from not gona do any to decide to do 200mg just like that lol.

    and for me..at one point in time i was iving like up to 6-8 80s a day, those were the good ol days lol now i cant afford that no mo.

    o ya and this other kid who was rich he used to smoke them and would sometimes smoke up to 10 80s a day...but thats smoking them so it dont count lol jk i think smoking them pretty bomb too just everyone hates on it

    now i gotta use tar cuz i cant find any cheap ocs hurr so i been using like about a g a day but its not top quality its aiiight not great shit

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    im in a bad spot now. i dont exactly know how much im doing, never counted. i know i break out 4-5 oc 80s at a time (multiple times a day). and i just keep sniffing all day an night till i goto sleep. im not looking forward to trying to come down off this habit, but its just that time. after i move and get through my daughters birthday this weekend i will be shutting it down.

    i went through fent withdraw had 75/100mcg patches and would wear them and eat them everyday (thats how my tolerence got boosted!) and i swear nothing would make me stop withdrawing but more opies. i would take numerous suboxon and it wouldnt work. i would take some sort of opi and i would feel better. its a scary thing! i hope the oc isnt that bad. :confused:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madam Oxy View Post
    p.s. I'm off oxy now. Haven't had any in about 2 weeks. Feel okay for the most part, but went thru a horrible 4-day period of being sick...like having the intestinal flu. It's definitely easier to get addicted than UNaddicted.
    Congrats! I'm sure you feel much better! Hope things continue to work well for you.

    If you don't mind me asking, how much were you on when you stopped this last time? Did you just CT?

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    Panda -- I'm not calling you out, but how in the world did the fent guy get scripted 900 fent patches a month?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slippin|Fallen View Post
    i hope the oc isnt that bad. :confused:
    it's worse, way worse than quitting fent. Well, it's less intense than quitting fent, but lasts much much longer due to the longer half life. I'm one of the people who has a pretty high resiliance towards high intensity withdrawals...but the long duration ones? Uggh.. bupe and done being the worst, but oxy is no walk in the park compared to fent.

    Also, be very careful about snorting that much oxy. After 5 years of successful oxy snorting, my nose is now FUBAR. I thought it was only sore, but sinus problems and what not for weeks after my last dose, and before that dose it had been over a month.


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    and i swear nothing would make me stop withdrawing but more opies. i would take numerous suboxon and it wouldnt work.
    With a habit like that I would def start w/ done maintanence. You wont be really comfortable right away, but its better than CT. I had a habit close to that and I went straight to MMT,
    Once I was stable at 130mgs. Ive been there 6yrs , only show my face there once a week get takehomes for the rest ( the max for MI regs ) and I feel great. Think abou MMT

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    Its a total catch-22. I hate that I take so much but that dragon seems to have me by the tail and won't let go. I've got severe arthritis so I started taking them just for the pain relief but I've always been one to enjoy 'altered perception' in one way or another.

    I get scripted 150 perc 10/325's and 60 kadian 50mg a month, the percs are gone in a 7-10 days (longer if I've got green), so about 15-20 a day. Then I start on the morphine, it lasts longer and I take less (abt 100-200mg/day) since I started IVing (when I was crushing & drinking them it was up to about 400-600mg /day).




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