Which one should I use?

[pokergooch]

I am going to ask to be switched from opana ER's to the Fent. patch. My goal is to use them as directed, well sort of, wear for 2 days and then apply new patch. I have read other posts and cant decide which one would be best. It looks like its down to the brand neame and the other one that doesnt have the gell.

Swim is planning on ingesting the fent via other ROA after the first 2 days. Do you guys think that the brand name is the best? Swim is most likely going to smoke what is left after the first 2 days.

Am I doing the right thing? meaning getting the most bang for my buck?

PG

[Tony]

Man,

My opinion is to stay on the opana's. Swim just started smoken fent ( the gel type ) and
it is like the crack of the opie world!

Do what ya gotta do but this fent is a dangerous game...

Good luck!

[Shadowsblaze]

Didn't Linda of Intervention fame make an impression on ya?

[Uncle Wiggly]

Man, My opinion is to stay on the opana's. Swim just started smoken fent ( the gel type ) and it is like the crack of the opie world! Do what ya gotta do but this fent is a dangerous game... Good luck!

This is so true. Once you take your first hit of smoked Fent, if it doesn't kill you, you'll be ripping open every patch you have and you won't stop 'till it's gone.

[erica]

Fent took me from maintaining my chronic pain on pills to a full blown heroin-iving junkie in a matter of months. Just a warning. Like Tony said, it's dangerous. If you don't have complete control and discipline - and I'm gonna assume you don't because besides being here, you're already planning on not using it as directed - then it's better that you just stay far far far away from the fentanyl.

So to answer your question, no that is absolutely NOT doing the right thing for yourself! Once you go down that path, you DON'T COME BACK. Keep that in mind.

[Dhedmo]

I am going to ask to be switched from opana ER's to the Fent. patch. My goal is to use them as directed, well sort of, wear for 2 days and then apply new patch. I have read other posts and cant decide which one would be best. It looks like its down to the brand neame and the other one that doesnt have the gell.

Watson, Sandoz, and brand name Duragesic are all gel-filled. Mylan is not. Tevas are not either, but you can UTMFSE to see why I would not favor that brand at all.

Swim is planning on ingesting the fent via other ROA after the first 2 days. Do you guys think that the brand name is the best? Swim is most likely going to smoke what is left after the first 2 days.

Am I doing the right thing? meaning getting the most bang for my buck?

PG

No, you're prolly not doing the right thing. First, because smoking fent will rocket your tolerance beyond any simple recovery. If you're a CP patient, this is especially bad. Second, read this thread all the way through: http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=10215

This is a truly risky path, and while many here on the phile still tread it, many don't and many can't. I'm just sayin.

As for buck-bang, simply because of the tolerance factor, I'd say smoking fent is a bad idea. You'll be chasing something you really can't catch.

I found I was able to maintain a good euphoria more then 50% of the week, and pain relief 100% by wearing as directed, tapering (wearing an extra day, when I could stand it--I was scheduled to change /48hrs), and maybe overlapping when it came time to change and the pain was bad enough.

Gel-eating can cause problems with kidneys and liver (may not be the fent itself), although buccal application of the Mylans would seem to carry less risk--but you also burn a three-day patch likethat. Not the ROA with the best ROI.

Stick to the prescribed ROA and see what happens. Fent is a killer drug, in both senses of the term.

Also, it is a mf to kick. A mean, long, lingering vines-around-the-veins-pulling-taut, will I ever sleep again, uh! kick.

(If/when it comes time: I kicked with a catapres patch, divalproex, and vallium.)

Good luck.

[Dhedmo]

Didn't Linda of Intervention fame make an impression on ya?

Oh, Shadows! Yer gonna give me a heart attack:

"This is it! This is the big one, Elizabeth! I'm comin to join ya honey, with a backwards QWERTY on my forehead!"

LOL

[pokergooch]

With opana, my tolerance has skyrocketed. It wouldnt be an every day thing, thats for sure. I would use the patches a prescribed and then, after 2-3 days, try to get the extra goodies from them. After reading all the stories on here. Seeing people go thru a whole months supply in 3 days or less doesnt really make me want to rip open a patch and smoke it. I just wanted to get all that I can out of the patch.

The main reason that I want to dump the opana is because of tolerance issue. One of the main reasons that I want to change is so that I dont go thru my meds too early. I could go back to methatdone, and that still is a viable option. I just thoguht that the patch would help better for pain control and then not let it all go to waste..

I understand where you guys are coming from. Trusst me, I know my limits and I want to find something that will help kill the pain and help me make it last for most of the month....

EDIT: I would probably just make a nasal preperation out of the left overs.... I do have good self control, but dont want to go down a slippery slope, either....

[WhyCatsPaint]

Oh how I wish I never ever open my first Fent patch when I did I open Pandora’s box..... I wish I just stayed curious.


I hope you have some strong will power I am not saying it's not impossible to do what you are talking about but the chances of not slipping up is slim. Each time you say to yourself "just a lil more" try to think of how close to that edge you are stepping towards.

I have the Watson brand and those have the gel inside them. When I wear then they work very well the most annoying thing is making sure they stick on you so I suggest purchasing tagament tape.

[upstate_007]

With opana, my tolerance has skyrocketed. It wouldnt be an every day thing, thats for sure. I would use the patches a prescribed and then, after 2-3 days, try to get the extra goodies from them. After reading all the stories on here. Seeing people go thru a whole months supply in 3 days or less doesnt really make me want to rip open a patch and smoke it. I just wanted to get all that I can out of the patch.

Wearing the patches as directed is not the problem amigo. It's the abusing of them that gets you in trouble. Smoking fent is seriously as close to crack as you can come with opies. The cravings (at least for me) are fucking unreal. And they start real quick after you take a hit because it wears off really fast too. Even with a relatively low tolerance (under 100mg oxy) I smoked through a 100mcg patch within a half hour. I just could not stop myself. Chasing that fucking rush. I damn near died the first time I smoked a patch too. The better part of a 50mcg patch in one big it. Blacked out, fell down and came to a while later with my dog licking my face.

The main reason that I want to dump the opana is because of tolerance issue. One of the main reasons that I want to change is so that I dont go thru my meds too early. I could go back to methatdone, and that still is a viable option. I just thoguht that the patch would help better for pain control and then not let it all go to waste..
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I think tolerance issues are a reason not to switch to fent. It will really fuck your tolerance up and there is no next step up the ladder really.

[pokergooch]

Ive decided that If I get on the patch, I will use them as prescribed. I will try that for a month and if it works ill stay on thatt regimine. If not, Ill back to methadone...

thanks for your replies.....

[insaneike]

Man I've been on the Fentanyl patches since I was 19, in 2006, when I had my first back surgery, and if you're going to try it to help with toler, HAH! The fent is going to raise your toler soo fucking fast man, you'll be wishing you stayed on the opana... Now for me, fentanyl is truly a godsend, it really is. It's the ONLY thing I've tried that can actually give me relief n help my pain.

and smoking fent is really the crack of opies! It really doesn't last maybe 2hrs, the rush part lasts no time at all, be it one the most pleasurable feelings I've ever had, esp from any opioid! If you start smoking whats left in your patches after you wear them you WILL start smoking more and more often, because it gives 10x the pain relief, but you will soon learn all pain relief quickly goes bye bye in just 2hours, if not less. and you will have the come on of WDs within just 6-8hrs(assuming you're very dependent).

Now for me, the first 2yrs of ebing on the patch went just like most ppl would say, was pure hell. went so many horus without any opies whatsoever, spending $800-1500 twice a month on illicit opies just to keep out of WDs after my scripts were gone, let alone getting any pain relief. So I finally found a real pain Dr, and ever since I been on the Fentanyl, Roxicodone, and Methadone combo, thigns have been so good as far as my pain meds re going. For me using just one opioid alone never cuts it, I've always had to be ona combo of opies tog et any real releif. Even if it was just something like oxycodone, I needed to have the roxis with the fent. but for me, methadone and fent is the combo which makes me able to live..
sorry I probably got way off topic here but really man, don't switch from a med that you're stable on to something unpredictable as fent, and from what you have done siad you WILL go down hill with it, I don't care how much willpower you tink you have, going by what you've already said alone tells me if you get on the fent you're gonna be in twice the pain you are now, as you're gonna be running of fent soo fast.

good luck man and hop ya find something that helps your pain soon...

later

[Restharrow]

I am a chronic pain patient and much prefer Opana to Fent.

If you get the patch, I liked the Brand name that was filled with Gel. I only wore the patch and it gave OK pain control, but no euphoria comparable to Oxy or Opana.

IMO Opana is a better pain killer and much more euphoric than Fent. I think Fent is overrated because it is such a potent drug.

Every person I talked to that smoked or ate the gel said it was a HUGE MISTAKE of the life ruining category for them. I was very scared to experiment with it and that is unusual for me.

IMO you should get a committment from your doctor to switch you back to Opana if the Fent does not work out.

I feel like the Fent patches jacked up my tolerance (without producing much euphoria).

My heart rate dropped substantially when wearing the patches and that kept the doctor from upping the dose to where I felt it should have been.

Good Luck!
Will

[pokergooch]

Since Ive decided not to "abuse" either the methadone or the patch. Which one will be better for the pain? Its been a while since Ive had the patch. Im assuming that I will get atleast a 75mcg patch vs 6 10mg methadone tabs a day..

My appt is in a couple days, any input is appreciated....

Remember im giving up 2 40mg of oxymorphone. The reason is that I run out too fast. I want something that will help with the pain and will last me the entire month....


PG

[More Feen]

My friend is speaking to you through me (his experiences, not mine):

" I would trade 500 fentanyl patches for 100 Opana pills, any day of the friggin year!"
[ MODERATORS: Not a solicitation, a quote, from a friend ]

Not a fair trade (for me), but unless I was in severe pain, it would be worth it.

I've never gotten high from fent, only put in a state where physical & mental pain were abnormally blunted.

IMHO, taking enough fent to get high places one very close to lethal amounts. I know, tolerance, etc..., but there's not as wide a margin of error with fentanyl as there is with other opies.

If taking opies mostly for fun, you may be trading "A Day @ 6-Flags" for "a Barrel-Ride over Niagra."

M F's friend

[Synack]

I prefer opana to fent - sure, smoking fent is really, really fun... but it's just not the same as railing a nice amount after being out or low for a few days.... or being in w/d for a few then IV'ing 10mg - rocks.

[pokergooch]

But, the problem is the I, i mean swim, literally blows thru his opana scripts within 3 weeks, if that. (and thats when im a good little boy) Ive gone thru my opana in as little as 2 weks. Im talking 180 10mg opana IRs and 60 40mg ERs,, im for fucking sure keeping the IRs its the ERs that im worried about.

When I was on methadone, I didnt abuse them and even had some left over each month. Im in a fucking pickle, because when I run out, I have to dip into my 'friends"s stash and then its repay time and its a fucking never ending cycle. The 40's barely keep me out of pain, let alone any recreational fun..

So, its either get rid of the ERs, go back to methadone or the patch, or go get a safety deposit box so that I cant abuse those fuckers.....But, this is the end of the year. in Jan. all my deductibles start over again. so I wont have to pay one cent for all my meds this month...

What a dilema....

[In2TheWoods]

I'm going to take a slightly different stance on this than the other posts have presented. That is not to say, however, that I think their warnings are unfounded. They are right to caution you about this medication and a number of them are clearly speaking from personal experience. However, my personal experience with this medication has been very positive and one of the things I like about this site is that you can get info from different points of view and then make a fully informed decision.


I am a CP patient and the patch has been the best medication for me by far. When my pain is really bad I throw-up which makes it really tough to keep pills down. The patch gives me steady pain control and I don't have to worry about keeping it down. The thing is I only ever get the non-gel patch. It seems that a lot of the negative consequences people are describing stem from smoking the gel. I have not ever done that. I find that the mylan-type patches stick better anyway, and if you're planning to use them as Rx'd, that's helpful.


Removing the option of smoking is going to greatly improve your chances of using them the way you intend to. Some people do use the non-gel patches by buccal or sublingual ROA, but you can choose not to do that. I think it's also important to consider that even if you do choose to use a non-gel patch by buccal or sublingual ROA, it's likely not going to be as dangerous or as quick to drive your tolerance through the roof as smoking the gel.



I just think you should have all the info and, from a harm reduction stand point, know which are the lesser of evils in terms of safety. I hope you find something that works for you.
Good luck,
Woodsie

[pokergooch]

Well, After discussing the options over, my doc recommended methadone, which I thought was ok. the only thing that I didnt think was cool was the dose. Since there has been a lot of heat on doctors mis prescribing methadone and OD's and with the letter that was sent to all doctors a few months ago, he was going to start me out on only 2 10mg a day. I immediately said, that I would stay on the opana, atleast for this month.

After leaving, It didnt dawn on me that he was probably going to start me out with 2 pill on day 1 and 2, then go to 3, on day 3 or something. I would have accepted this.

I also hate to mess with with my medications with such great doc. I dont want to upset the apple cart. So, it looks like my will power will be put to the test once again...

My plan is to have my daughter be in control of my medication. If the has them, they wont be calling my name every hour.