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    Default Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    I was curious if anyone knows what the effects are if someone was going through ~moderate opiate withdrawal and wanted to use cocaine (sniff/snort) to help feel better.

    1- Of course coke will do nothing to tickle the (screaming) opiate receptors, but the drug does tend to make a person feel good---> better, no?

    From reading many many posts here, benzo-tranquillizers seem to be the best thing for treating WDs (besides the obvious, more opies ).

    If one only had access to coke, would that help, or simply intensify the horror of withdrawal?

    Thanks for your input!

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    P.S. Sigmund Freud advocated the use of cocaine for the treatment of morphine addiction; granted, some of his work was hit & miss in some areas. I figured there's a few people reading this who have first-hand, or at least "swim-hand" experience that they could share--gracias!


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    Default Re: Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    cocaine makes ya forget you're even kicking
    until you run out
    then you feel even worse
    if you're gonna get some yay for w/d, my suggestion is, don't run out

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    Default Re: Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    It effects everyone differently. It helped me, but for others it just made wd worse

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    ^ absolutly right. I once said to my homegirl "man if I could get my hands on a bunch of coke I could stop using dope" and then she said "but then you'd have one hell of a coke habit" about right. It works for a few minutes but you will feel like a dump druck just hit you..twice..if you're still sick when you come down. And you'll never feel *right* you'll still feel like your dope sick..only on coke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrisonHer View Post
    ^ absolutly right. I once said to my homegirl "man if I could get my hands on a bunch of coke I could stop using dope" and then she said "but then you'd have one hell of a coke habit" about right. It works for a few minutes but you will feel like a dump druck just hit you..twice..if you're still sick when you come down. And you'll never feel *right* you'll still feel like your dope sick..only on coke.
    i dunno about that, i feel fuckin great as long as the coke holds out
    although in that situation, you either gotta make plans to get some dope at the end of the day
    or tweak for a week, whichthefuckever

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrisonHer View Post
    ^ absolutly right. I once said to my homegirl "man if I could get my hands on a bunch of coke I could stop using dope" and then she said "but then you'd have one hell of a coke habit" about right. It works for a few minutes but you will feel like a dump druck just hit you..twice..if you're still sick when you come down. And you'll never feel *right* you'll still feel like your dope sick..only on coke.

    I was worried about something like that. Not knowing much about coke and ultimate effects. I could imagine it could ease opiate withdrawal, or make it nightmarishly more horrible.

    Thanks for the info !

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    Default Re: Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    ahahah
    cocaine makes ya forget you're even kicking
    until you run out
    then you feel even worse
    if you're gonna get some yay for w/d, my suggestion is, don't run out


    that is the fuckin' truth. same goes for meth, as long as it's runnin' through your veins, up your nose, or in your lungs, you won't even remember you we're cluckin, but time is a motherfucker


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    Default Re: Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    It definitely helps, but I think I would much rather xanax, while just trying to wait it out.

    I've done coke a few times during WDs, but never during VERY serious WDs, just basically mild one's. So for mild WDs it definitely helped me out for a few days, but I'm thinking under worse conditions, it would probably just aggravate me, but who knows.

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    Fuck Coke, get some Vyvanse. That shit will make you forget your kicking and 1 pill lasts 12 fuckin hours. Vyvanse is no joke, its pretty much ER Dexedrine(it actually is). It won't get you high but will add mood elevation and energy, and I swear to you 1 pill in the morning and you're telling yourself, what W/D???


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    Quote Originally Posted by HandMeSomeOpiates View Post
    Fuck Coke, get some Vyvanse. That shit will make you forget your kicking and 1 pill lasts 12 fuckin hours. Vyvanse is no joke, its pretty much ER Dexedrine, but I swear to you 1 pill in the morning and you're telling yourself, what W/D???
    Where do you get that? I've never heard of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOLA View Post
    Where do you get that? I've never heard of it.
    It is prescribed for ADD(which I have). I guess saying "go get some vyvanse" is easier said than done haha But honestly the doc would be happy to give out vyvanse than adderall or ritalin. It is a schedule II but it's a pro-drug, and cannot be abused(shot up, or snorted, which doctors love). I have been prescribed both adderall and ritalin and vyvanse surpasses them both in treating my ADD........and opiate W/D's


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    Quote Originally Posted by HandMeSomeOpiates View Post
    It is prescribed for ADD(which I have). I guess saying "go get some vyvanse" is easier said than done haha But honestly the doc would be happy to give out vyvanse than adderall or ritalin. It is a schedule II but it's a pro-drug, and cannot be abused(shot up, or snorted, which doctors love). I have been prescribed both adderall and ritalin and vyvanse surpasses them both in treating my ADD........and opiate W/D's
    Hmm.. Sounds pretty interesting.

    Thanks for the tip.

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    Default Re: Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    The one time I used coke in withdrawal it literally stopped all the effects for a good 7 minutes, then it was a straight shute down to hell....


    Double edged sword if there ever was one.

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    Default Re: Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    Very bad idea, especially if you are injecting it or smoking base...when you come down you will be dopesick AND uber paranoid almost to the point of psychosis. I've done this before and started halucinating and shit when the coke wore off, like a very bad lsd trip that you can't come out of.
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    Default Re: Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    I've actually tried to detox using coke and.................I'm still here.


    I read about this type of detox in James Lee's journey to the east(excellent read) and there is historic presidents for using coke for opiate detox.These days it's not practical unless you have access to a LOT of coke.So,don't try this at home kids-unless you're part of a cartel.
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    Default Re: Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    ^
    i've managed to make it work several times over, and i'm not columbian

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    Default Re: Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    Heh, yeah, I'll chime in, too: coke has helped me in WD, but as everyone sez: once you run out or come down, it's pretty sucky.


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    Default Re: Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    Well the question is do you have pot/benzos to help you get to sleep after using the coke? That makes a world of difference.

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    Default Re: Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyMohawk View Post
    The one time I used coke in withdrawal it literally stopped all the effects for a good 7 minutes, then it was a straight shute down to hell....


    Double edged sword if there ever was one.

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    The only thing coke is good for is putting dollars in your pocket, or taking dollars out of your pocket.
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    Default Re: Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    In my opinion, using cocaine during opiate withdrawals is a bad idea. Although you'll probably forget about the WD symptoms and feel good for a few minutes after taking that rail/shot, once you start to come down off the cocaine you'll be back at square one - plus you'll be anxious, sketchy, and sleep will (for myself at least) be more difficult.

    Benzodiazepines are definately the way to go... at least in terms of making one feel more comfortable throughout the wholly unpleasant experience.

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    Default Re: Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    I thought for sure that this thread would be pretty much one sided, and it is, but not the side that i thought it would be leaning towards.

    I just dont see how being jacked up on cocaine can aid in wd's, although from everyones response, it must help...

    I just know personally the last thing i want to be while im in opie wd is to be jacked up...

    Like previous posters have said, maybe if i had like an oz at my disposal, so once i started getting high off cocaine, i wouldnt have to worry about coming down, because im sure thats double shitty. wd's ontop of coming down off of coke? no thanks, ill pass. besides, im not an upper type of person at all. thats why opies are my DOC.
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    I always thought it worked well right in the beginning of w/d as it took my mind off of what was coming next and I'd go out with a last night of fun. But during the puking and shits (and coke sure doesn't help with the shits!!!) I would stay away from it. Then when I was just tired and aching sure then some blow would get me up and moving about the last day or two until I was in the clear. Its something to do but still could always feel the sick in my stomach etc.
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    Default Re: Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    i dunno coke depression on top of the wd effects (including the amplified coke shits) never did it for me- it can work if you are using subs though, to get through second or third day when you are feeling better, but want to do something, and d is out of the question due to all the bupe in your system...

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    Quote Originally Posted by losangeleslifer View Post
    The only thing coke is good for is putting dollars in your pocket, or taking dollars out of your pocket.
    ya know there is a point, however breif it is, where you actually break even

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    It's definitely a preference thing.One time i was sick and needed to bag up so i figured id do a few lines to help me do it quicker. It helped..For about 5 minutes then it was one of the worst experiences of my life..and i tried to do more did not help..I dont understand how it can stop you from throwing up or the pain an anxiety just amplified it times 100 for me thank god for subs

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    Default Re: Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    The thought of a nasty coke come down during massive withdrawls, Makes me sick to my stomach Just Thinking About IT!

    During WD one of my worst symptoms is stomach cramps / excruciating pain and to throw coke into that seems to magnify the effects by 1000x.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KiloByte View Post
    Well the question is do you have pot/benzos to help you get to sleep after using the coke? That makes a world of difference.
    exactly what i'm saying. the coke takes your mind off of things for a night, then pop some xanax and/or kpins & pass out. and it works. but, i'd rather just save my $$$, skip the middle-man (coke) and pop some kpins, (and alcohol perhaps), pass out.

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    Default Re: Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    I wouldn't even think of it! Downers for W/D's...

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    Default Re: Cocaine to Aid Opiate Withdrawal ?

    It sounds like if someone has a ~heavy opiate tolerance where withdrawal would cause vomiting and other strong effects, coke would not be helpful at all.

    It also sounds like if you have a fairly mild tolerance, where WD causes craving and maybe some leg cramping (aka Jimmy-Legs), coke may help "forget" the opiate craving--for a short time.

    I'm pretty sure this is how Sigmund Freud intended cocaine to be used as an aid for kicking Morphine (specifically mentioned).

    Although he was not terribly specific regarding the form of cocaine and route of administration. He championed Vin Mariani--a concoction of red wine and coca extracts with a ~fairly high level of cocaine: 6mg --7.2mg per ounce.

    With regards to costs and the short duration of snorted coke, it might make more sense to create a form similar to Vin Mariani. One can use coca tea (Mate de coca).

    Instead of making coca tea using hot water, one can let several tea bags effuse in a container of wine at room temperature for an hour or so. The used tea bags can be squeezed and removed and fresh bags inserted--one should experiment with the proper amount suitable for your needs.

    A very close friend of a friend has tried this in conjuction with minor opiate WD. He has reoprted to me that using homemade Vin Mariani (in addition to plain coca tea, and using the tea bags orally with sodium bicarb, or lime (calcium hydroxide) to aid in oral mucosa absorption) has been quite helpful.

    Using coca in this longer-acting way has a smoother onset (boring), but also a more-gradual let down (a blessing).

    He relates the following:

    Day 1 Cold Turkinskii : Minor, minor craving of an opiate, very minor restless legs, use and preparation of various coca preps helped occupy his mind with other thoughts.

    Day 2 Cold Turkinskii : Very little craving for opiates. Feels quite good. Barely perceptible aching in legs. Although he had opiates available, he did not feel that he needed to use them.

    Day 3 Cold Turkinskii : Absolutely no craving for opiates. He felt well. As a test, he took a moderate dose of his DOC (opiate) and it did not make him feel any better. He reported that it was really hard to even feel the opiate's effects!

    Summary: There are many facets regarding addiction: tolerance, habituation, psychological components, physiological components. For those taking a fairly low dose of opiates (but can't quite stop completely), use of coca products can stimulate the "reward centre" of the brain and help remove the psych component of opiate addiction.

    This might be all that is needed to help someone reduce, or stop their use of opiates.

    Next step would be to try and take Cold Turkey withdrawal out 7 days or more, instead of just 3.

    Regarding the use of coca products, in the forms mentioned above (no use of refined cocaine what-so-ever) there is strong evidence that abruptly stopping their use doesn't cause withdrawal. You can read about Peruvian coca leaf chewers quiting and experiencing nothing more than decreased productivity.

    Lastly (for now), consuming coca products with alcohol causes the creation of cocaethylene in the liver. This drug is longer-lasting, stronger and more cardio-toxic than if alcohol is not taken.

    If you plan to try this, keep this toxicity in mind--especially if you have heart problems. Moderation should be a goal that we strive towards, in all aspects of life. But sometimes, that's just so damn hard to do !

    M. F.


    legal disclaimers:
    - More Feen is a fictitious character and an Opiophile Weanie
    - All posts are a work of fiction; the result of a diseased mind, and are intended for entertainment purposes only
    - More Feen does not condone any illegal activities; know the laws of your community, and abide by them

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