Expiration Dates

[Opiyum]

I've always wondered about the expiration dates they put on pill bottles. I know I;ve taken expired pills before and the effects were definatly still there. Whats the deal with this? Is it some sort of precaution? A liability for the Pharmy companies?

[antony]

Heres a better question, why do people ask questions and then answer the questions with new questions? Is is it because they are dim?

Shit...I just did it.

[Opiyum]

For those of you who cant process more than one question at a time I apologize.


Antony I have a feeling you get dubbed a smart ass on a daily basis. Am I right? Yeah I think so. Does it bother you? Probably not. Do you get off on belittling others? Most definatly.

[Miggeth]

Yay! Bitch-fight.

[Opiyum]

This has been pretty commonplace for Antony and I since I got here.

I think he likes me.

[PRIZEFIGHTERINFERNO]

answering questions containing questions or answering questions with questions who gives a *%&#. I dont know man i read about some pretty old morphine that still has some active alkaloids or whatever. What i wanna know is do the really old stuff that you can sometimes find on Ebay, like Morphine from a hundred years ago in an unopened bottle still contain goods. I think that is really cool. As for your question ill definetly look into it and put up a post pertaining to your question.

[antony]

Yay! Bitch-fight.

Who are you calling a bitch miggeth?

And to opiyum, I have no problem with you, nor do I have a problem with anyone on this site. But, you have to admit, you set yourself up sometimes. I think youre a smart guy, so don't take my ballbusting personally. and if youre gonna deduct my rep points, you should do it to everyone else that has given you a hard time, because it seems kinda commonplace

[caesee]

Who are you calling a bitch miggeth?

And to opiyum, I have no problem with you, nor do I have a problem with anyone on this site. But, you have to admit, you set yourself up sometimes. I think youre a smart guy, so don't take my ballbusting personally. and if youre gonna deduct my rep points, you should do it to everyone else that has given you a hard time, because it seems kinda commonplace

ok iam not trying to get invloved...but opiyum hes right you do set your self up sometimes by the wording of your posts..

[Opiyum]

I do have a history of setting myself up and am starting to believe I crave that kind of attention for some reason. I dont think this is an example of me setting myself up for anything and I have to agree with Phishman; who gives a fuck...everybody does it and basically its just me putting a couple of my thoughts up there as possible answers to test there validity. Someone who knows the answer could say to me "yes its true opi it is a liability issue" then we all could assume that supposed expired pills are just as good as the next pill. Then all the viewers of this poll would have better information on the subject and thats the point of the forum. This is what I was hoping for on the thread.
Now Im not mad but if your gonna joke it's only gonna be a waste of space and time if you dont include something that is pertanent to the subject. Humor is one of the most important attributes human beings have.Along with me its people like you and caesee that are responsible for turning some of my other threads into shit.
This time Antony yours came off as a forced lame attempt to break someones balls. I can take whatever you have to dish out(I've been working in kitchens and did highway paving for three summers the guys I've worked with would have you crying in a corner before lunch) its just a pain in the ass for others like me who are trying to use this site for more than just a pedestool for our half-baked humor.

As many parents have said to many children"theres a time and a place"

And to opiyum, I have no problem with you, nor do I have a problem with anyone on this site.I think youre a smart guy,

And I'm tired of this shit too. It is of no importance to me if you think I'm smart or if you have a problem with me. I just want to learn more about opiates, My attempt to learn more about some of the users on this forum went poorly other than a few kind people who were willing to open up to me up as opposed to other people who used humor as a defense mechanism which a lot of people did. And if they dont like me thats fine. I just hope they dont continue to do things similar to what your doing which is not conducive to a learning enviroment.

So Antony hate me or dont hate me I dont care either way just please...one man to another...dont reply to my posts or threads unless it is pertanent.

In short dont be a dick.

As far as rep points go I dont even know what those are.

Please dont respond unless it involves the original questions.

[devilsdrug]

opi you try to god damn hard to start something that isnt there, i just want to tell you to shut the fuk up. you remind me of an old lady just gabbin to be gabbin fuck

[exitwound]

As a general thing I have found that you can ignore most expiration dates, they are legally mandated and don't necessarily reflect any real issue with the meds themselves.

That said, really old pills can be expected to have some loss in potency. How much depends on what the medication in question specifically is....

[antony]

Listen MAN, I know youre here to learn and educate on our drug use, but posting threads like "expiration dates" I don't think educates many people here. Im sure im not the only person here thats raided their parents med cabinet eating what ever pills they have, just as long as it says "may cause dizziness" or "caution while driving" only to find out its fucking blood thinners. So Expiration Dates I think means shit to people here. If anyone here goes through w/ds and sees a bottle of vics, oxy, etc, lying on the ground, filled with ants, and expired on my fucking Kindergarten graduation day, I don't think they would hesitate picking it up and going to town like at Old Country Buffet.

It just seems to many of us you start threads just to see your avatar on the fucking screen.

[Opiyum]

I hear ya Antony....plums are a very tasty fruit...only the ones that are yellow inside though...I hate those red ones. Sometimes those bastards trick ya; you know?

The Plum is the fruit of deceit.

[candy]

Opiyum,
To answer your question regarding expiration dates. Potency may decrease after the "expiration date" and the stability of the drug may be affected. You will find this more often with liquids or suspensions when it comes to the stability of the medication. Stability meaning it contains the same properties and characteristics at the time it was prepared.

For OTC meds, they are generally Ok to use after the expiration date for up to 6 months. For an prescription meds, such as an antibiotic, they do lose potency and effectiveness and should be used as soon as you get them. Liquid forms of antibiotics in a suspension need to be used within a certain timeframe.

It wasn't a stupid question, but I think you will find that most users on this board aren't going to pay attention to expiration dates. I certainly wouldn't purchase anything that was expired and depending on the drug itself, I might not take it after the expiration date(heart meds, insulin.)

[oc80tn]

Candy is right on the use of some meds. There are certain ones that do break down after a certain period of time. Some can be dangerous to use after the expiration dates. But with things like opioids are certainly fine, even after three of four years. A few years ago, I found about 10 Lortab tablets that had been first prescribed about four years prior and I couldn't tell any difference in the potency of the active ingredients. Same story with some Xanax I took from 1990. It wasn't as strong, but it did do the trick. The only reason they put the expiration date on most pills (prescription or OTC) is due to FDA regulations. Dr. Dean Edell talked about that on his radio show a few months ago and said most things are perfectly safe to use. They may not be quite as potent, but they don't lose their potency in one year or even two. Just use some common sense and it's not a problem.
Peace

[THEPAINTER1960]

Opiyum,
To answer your question regarding expiration dates. Potency may decrease after the "expiration date" and the stability of the drug may be affected. You will find this more often with liquids or suspensions when it comes to the stability of the medication. Stability meaning it contains the same properties and characteristics at the time it was prepared.

For OTC meds, they are generally Ok to use after the expiration date for up to 6 months. For an prescription meds, such as an antibiotic, they do lose potency and effectiveness and should be used as soon as you get them. Liquid forms of antibiotics in a suspension need to be used within a certain timeframe.

It wasn't a stupid question, but I think you will find that most users on this board aren't going to pay attention to expiration dates. I certainly wouldn't purchase anything that was expired and depending on the drug itself, I might not take it after the expiration date(heart meds, insulin.)

Yes thanks alot for the info i agree 100% T hanks for bringing everything back on track.

[Paregoric Kid]

the army did a study once testing medications and a lot of medications can last over a decade and sometimes even longer after the expiration date if stored properly. I'm pretty sure most opiate/opioid don't really degrade much or into something bad if kept properly. maybe slightly less potent but I've met people who've done world war II morphine syrettes and antique morphine from the late 1800s/early1900s and they said it was good.

[gnat]

I have a bottle of Mcneil Tylenol 3's with an expiration date of 1980 which I tried just the other day with no problem. Great looking pill too... there are off colored flakes similar to a roll.

[gnat]

Listen MAN, I know youre here to learn and educate on our drug use, but posting threads like "expiration dates" I don't think educates many people here. Im sure im not the only person here thats raided their parents med cabinet eating what ever pills they have, just as long as it says "may cause dizziness" or "caution while driving" only to find out its fucking blood thinners. So Expiration Dates I think means shit to people here. If anyone here goes through w/ds and sees a bottle of vics, oxy, etc, lying on the ground, filled with ants, and expired on my fucking Kindergarten graduation day, I don't think they would hesitate picking it up and going to town like at Old Country Buffet.

It just seems to many of us you start threads just to see your avatar on the fucking screen.

No one is gaining much education from your seemingly hateful, prepubescent excuse for a post either. Just because you'd take anything under the sun doesn't mean he didn't have a valid question. Grow up, stfu, or gtfo. or maybe I missed something... but jeez.

[Opiyum]

I've met people who've done world war II morphine syrettes and antique morphine from the late 1800s/early1900s and they said it was good.

Imagine the possibilities... theoretically there could be morphine out there that was owned by Graham Greene or Aleister Crowley or De Quincey. Man that would be a good hit.
That's a joke of course those vials would obviosly be invaluable not to mention pieces of us junky's collective history.....Antique roadshow watch out cause here come the junkies.

And thanks for the support Gnat.

[asplinteredfawn]

Listen MAN, I know youre here to learn and educate on our drug use, but posting threads like "expiration dates" I don't think educates many people here. Im sure im not the only person here thats raided their parents med cabinet eating what ever pills they have, just as long as it says "may cause dizziness" or "caution while driving" only to find out its fucking blood thinners. So Expiration Dates I think means shit to people here. If anyone here goes through w/ds and sees a bottle of vics, oxy, etc, lying on the ground, filled with ants, and expired on my fucking Kindergarten graduation day, I don't think they would hesitate picking it up and going to town like at Old Country Buffet.

It just seems to many of us you start threads just to see your avatar on the fucking screen.

Actually by the time I was about 10 I knew all of the benzos, barbs and opies by name. I'd never just take anything that says " may cause dizziness " thats a total uneducated papered rich kid thing to do. Always know that you are putting in your body... I know what you mean though; Yes, I have searched MANY peoples cabinets. Just about anytime I go to someones house that I'm not close w/ I raid their med cabinets.... So I may be a thief but at least I'm an intelligent one.

[Hammilton]

talking about raising the dead.

[JonnyM]

talking about raising the dead.

Seriously

[moviebuff927]

I can attest that not all drugs lose their potency if they are kept under optimum conditions. Out of light, in an airtight container away from moisture and air.

I once got a still sealed bottle (physician's sample) of 30 Pulvules of Seconal. The expiration date was July 1974. I was worried that they wouldn't be any good. Boy was I wrong. That one little bottle of 30 blood red capsules sent me to the hospital 3 times for overdoses. The bottle was sealed though and had cotton in it so I guess it had the best conditions to be good for so long. But I couldn't find any resource on the internet on the shelf life of barbiturates so I did what any good addict would do: experiment on myself.

Damn good Seconal, though. I'll never forget that short 5 days when I had them. I had lots of fun with those little red devils

[wafflehead77]

I've always wondered about the expiration dates they put on pill bottles. I know I;ve taken expired pills before and the effects were definatly still there. Whats the deal with this? Is it some sort of precaution? A liability for the Pharmy companies?

What the hell is wrong with this question? Seems fine to me.