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    Default Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

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    SMACK SMACK SMACK! all the way......
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA6M8u0P-U0 in it, it shows a doctor in a lab cook up a ten pound bag. the bag weighs 130mg. she cooks it up then they send it off ..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfRat View Post
    That Dr. is *right fit bird*
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    Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

    Quote Originally Posted by limitless_euphoria View Post
    Well, which would it be? If someone came up to you and offered you just the right amount of either dilaudid or dope, and you could ONLY choose one (I know, I'd say both if that were an option), do tell us your preference. This is just for fun of course.

    I would say the IV of dilaudid. I've only had it on two seperate occasions but I have to say, the high laid waste to any dope high I've ever had. I mean, if I were some eccentric millionaire perhaps I'd rig it so I could have a dilly drip and walk around all day with it doing cartwheels through the neighborhood.

    The debate is on; I know there was a previous thread months ago for people to choose between heroin, hydromorph, oxy and fent but I figured I'd narrow it down to the two.

    I chose dilaudid never had it or seen it before because I'm not sure if they have it in apotheke (pharmacy/apothecary) but im not experienced with H either but I'd always pick the pharms because you know it's clean aka not cut and you're not taking chances and I've read alot of good things about dilaudid and in the ER here I've only received morphine IV's for pain, I'm not sure like I said if they carry hydromorph in my country. IV demerol meperidine I bet is nice, that I know they have here but I've never received it IV and it was created in 1939 by the Nazis, yep, those damn nazis! Oxycodone was also created/synthed in Germany as well as methadone so you've got to give it up to we Krauts on this one! But nick ol' boy gets credit for Heroin creation because the brits synthed that first and then it was used widely thereafter in Deutscheland by the Bayer company so I read.

    And isn't Brittania' the only country that provides pharmaceutical DIACETYL-morph to addicts and I think in hospitals too! Am I right on this one I'm looking at you nick because I think I remember you saying you were getting RX Diacetyl-morph before right?

    -------> Funny line about the drip and the cartwheels, I'd prob be doing cartwheels to if I had a hydromorphone drip running through me 24/7 and I surely do need it That would solve all my problems, painwise and mentally! Maybe because of my back I couldn't do the cartwheels though........ who knows?

    Anyways nick let me know if you've got an answer for the question above, thanks!


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    Gutten tag herr Dek and yes I was rxed diamorphine for many years.Since the failed kick I'm now on M amps and I kinda like them.
    Diamorphine is rxed for pain and addiction in England,but it's not common-300 diamorphine rxs only for addiction.

    Germany and switzerland also have diamorphine programmes.

    Sadly the Naomi trial in Canada seems set to close at the end of June.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick View Post
    Gutten tag herr Dek and yes I was rxed diamorphine for many years.Since the failed kick I'm now on M amps and I kinda like them.
    Diamorphine is rxed for pain and addiction in England,but it's not common-300 diamorphine rxs only for addiction.

    Germany and switzerland also have diamorphine programmes.

    Sadly the Naomi trial in Canada seems set to close at the end of June.

    and please excuse my bastardised german-I try.

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    Default Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

    Hey nick, what concentration are those morphine amps? Just curious are they the tartrate or sulphate?

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    Default Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

    Anybody's who's crazy enuff to be *glad* I'm here, can thank Nick, as it was my questions about heroin maintenace--and more, his friendly answers, to a noobie, to boot--that made me become a regular on Opy...

    And also, as I've posted elsewhere, I had money a couple years ago, and was desperate, and did fly up to Canada, to try and enter the NAOMI program, as I think for longterm heroin addicts, legal pharmaceutical heroin would be such a merciful program, but I couldn't get in country, or at least couldn't stay: I made it to Vancouver airport...

    Would have been better going to Europe, but got family and stuff, couldn't leave...

    But it does seem--fingers crossed here--that the use of pharmaceutical heroin to treat longterm addicts is catching on over across the water, so I'm cautiously optimistic about it, but never have gotten any closer to it than chatting with Nick about it...or waving out the window on the airplane I was sent home on from Canada...as I ate the miserable sub I had saved "just in case..." Probably why I'm a bit "anti-sub" too, as I thought for one brief period that maybe I'd get to have a life too, rather than always wondering, what it'd be like not to be illegal....

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    Default Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

    Unless you're talking very very good H, I'd go with option one, hydromorphone.

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    Default Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

    I quit shooting a long time ago but back then my choice would have been H. Given that it's good quality ofcourse..

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    Default Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

    Nothing better than hydro in my opinion.
    At least you know what you're getting.

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    Default Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

    If it was good heroin, then the heroin over the dilaudid. But dilaudid would be the next best thing, without a doubt.
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    Default Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

    So how the hell do you get dilaudid?

    Do you need serious trauma and recieve it in an i.v. at the hospital?

    Or can you get this prescribed for seriouis pain patients?

    Then can you break it down to abuse it intravaneously?

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    Default Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

    The nurse who used to give me the oh so beautiful vials of dilaudid worked in the cancer word of a major hospital in the burgh. From what she said a lot of her patients were given both dilly and oxycodone and that was how she normally got the vials for me. Sometimes she give them extra oxy and only part of the vial giving me the left overs. Of course this may have been what she was saying she did but not what she was actually doing because on some she out with 10-20 4-8ml vials all completely full with no puncture. I think she was just saying what her boyfriend (my friend for a long time)wanted to hear. He never did IV and hated that I did but they used the money from the vials to get Oxy's and stamps occasionally.
    Eventually she got caught and my best connection ever was lost for good. Fortunately she didn't lose her liscense for nursing.....
    I remember making a post on the day she got caught...

    I hope that helps to anser your question...the rest was me just babbling on cause i just got high for the first time in two weeks or so.
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    I was finally able to try a dilly and loved it. Only 4 mg though but hadn't ran anything for a few weeks and haden't had any good h for 6 months. that rush is the shit. I crashed at this whores house with a freind of mine and when I woke up I walked to the bathroom to take a piss and saw an old script sitting in a pile of junk so naturally I picked it up and to my suprise saw the word hydromorphone on it. There was only 3 2mg pills in it so I gave one to my freind and kept 2 for myself. We had to walk home about six miles though the mountains in nw n.c. but when we got there the spikes were waiting. The walked sucked considering we were hungover but 90mg of adderall up my nose helped

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    Default Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

    Quote Originally Posted by bored in sofl View Post
    I was finally able to try a dilly and loved it. Only 4 mg though but hadn't ran anything for a few weeks and haden't had any good h for 6 months. that rush is the shit. I crashed at this whores house with a freind of mine and when I woke up I walked to the bathroom to take a piss and saw an old script sitting in a pile of junk so naturally I picked it up and to my suprise saw the word hydromorphone on it. There was only 3 2mg pills in it so I gave one to my freind and kept 2 for myself. We had to walk home about six miles though the mountains in nw n.c. but when we got there the spikes were waiting. The walked sucked considering we were hungover but 90mg of adderall up my nose helped
    yea, the hydromorphone rush is so damn euphoric...too bad it doesnt last long, and then if you wanna do more you gotta keep upping the dose. you could start off slamming 4mg in the morning, and by the afternoon be doing 20+mg in a shot.

    thats why i call it the crack of IV opies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny-5 View Post
    yea, the hydromorphone rush is so damn euphoric...too bad it doesnt last long, and then if you wanna do more you gotta keep upping the dose. you could start off slamming 4mg in the morning, and by the afternoon be doing 20+mg in a shot.

    thats why i call it the crack of IV opies.
    damn I didn't know that. thanks for the info. I can never find them anyways

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    Default Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

    Quote Originally Posted by bored in sofl View Post
    damn I didn't know that. thanks for the info. I can never find them anyways

    np, a few months ago i ended up with a bunch of 4s and 8s for free along with a butload of xannies, the end result was not good, not that i expected it to be but it was worse than i had expected. now i have my car insurance company asking me all these questions about two accidents that i cant remember, so i cant answer their questions and i cant really tell them "well i was on 10mg of xanax that day and some dilaudid and heroin, so i dont remember." both accidents were on the same day.

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    Default Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

    I've managed to keep my dilaudid use in check, I still end up doing about 84mg a day, but I don't run out of pills early.
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    Default Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

    I would chose Dillies, just cause I've never slammed H just snorted it, although it was very good snorted, real good legs I also didn't have the tolerance I do now. A 8mg shot of dilly sends me to space and back for a few mins then a almost dissapointing high.

    Anyone ever mixed Dilly and H in the same shot?, now that seems like fun. Best time of my life was 10mg dilly and .3 of yay in the same shot twas fucking awesome.

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    Default Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

    I had to go to the ER a few nights ago. All has been going pretty damn good but I have uncontrolled blood pressure and I couldn't get it to go down. It does that every once in a while. Anyway, we moved to a new town and I was going to this ER for first time. My BP was 191/124 when I got there and it stayed that way until they gave me a HUGE shot of hydromorphone. I had never had that big of a shot before and they ran an IV first to pump fluids in me so it wasn't a shot in the ass but straight in the veins. I have to say that was the smoothest, nicest feeling! My BP came down immediately. They felt bad for me I guess and gave me another shot not too long before I was discharged. I am so in love with dilaudid now. I will never forget how awesome that felt and how quickly it brought my BP down. I usually would have to get 3 to 4 morphine shots to get same BP effect from other hospitals. Now I almost want my BP to go up. Just kidding......well not really

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    Default Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

    Had Dilaudid once while in the hospital. At that time I had been arrested and decided that I needed medical attention (I really did). So to deal with chest pain I got morphine a couple times, but when I complained that I was still in pain, the nurse said you have a new order for something else. Im giving you Dilaudid. She must have been real busy cuz she pushed that shit rather quickly. WOW!! I nodded big time with LAPD sitting rite next to me. They baby sat me for 3 days. And they all watched me legally enjoy every bit of the drugs I received.

    Oh sorry, but I would take the Dilly over H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irish View Post
    I've managed to keep my dilaudid use in check, I still end up doing about 84mg a day, but I don't run out of pills early.
    How the hell do u manage to do that much and not run out early? I miss D so much it's been a year since I've been in her sweet embrace I'm scared I may never c her again.

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    Hydromorphine or heroin? (question for Levity)

    Quote Originally Posted by Levity View Post
    Why I choose Hydromorphone.

    [snip]
    He leaves and comes back a few minutes later, he cleans the port on my central line, and says...
    "Okay buddy... The big one is 15. The small is half that. Try to remember for next time."

    And....
    Push...
    And he pushed it hard.
    15mg of Dilaudid straight into my heart, next stop my brain.

    Levity,
    I know this is an older post but I've been thinking about this since I read it last night. There must be some seriously mitigating circumstances behind this that you haven't mentioned. Granted you must have been truly fucked up in that crash for them to induce a coma and I've no doubt that you were in insane amounts of pain but a hospital-administered 15 mg. dose of dilaudid into a central line? That's medical negligence at best and borderline criminal at worst. Your SPO2, blood pressure, heart rate and respiration monitors must have been ringing off the wall. I'm not doubting you (ok, maybe a little) but I'm really just curious to know the circumstances surrounding this if there is more to it than meet the eye (and there must be).

    I have been administered dilaudud in a hospital setting literally 100's and 100's of times over the past 25 years in perhaps two dozen hospitals throughout 4 states. While not mangled in an accident like you, much of the dilaudid was given after major abdominal surgeries or during severe bouts of my condition entailing pain that's a true 9 or 10 on the pain scale. Also, I'm a long time CP patient with a known massive tolerance. Nearly all of the doctors who have treated me have been aware of this. With a single exception, no doctor has ever ordered an IV dose of dilaudid for me greater than 3 mg. More often than not it's 2 mg. and occasionally only 1 mg. The exception was my long time GI doctor in Florida who whenever attending to me in the hospital would order 4 mg. Q3H or Q4H. Now personally, I have self-injected 16 mg. several times and 12 mg. lots of times and many people have injected much more so it's not that it can't be done, it's just that 15 mg. IV is way, way beyond any accepted therapeutic IV dose I've ever even heard of, much less experienced. I would think that a doctor would be going way out on a limb by ordering such a massive amount to be administered at one time. The "average" patient, no matter how much pain they were in would never be given anywhere near this dose. That's why I'm wondering what else was going on here. There must have been a good reason that a "normal" dose was not given (or even tried) and that such a huge, protocol-busting dose was required. Perhaps you were also being administered another agent that was interfering with normal hydromorphone metabolism? You didn't say whether you had a large tolerance that the doctors knew about but like I said earlier, my tolerance was in the stratosphere and my doctors knew it but they weren't about to budge from 1-4 mg., much less 15 mg.

    Which brings me to my last point - just a thought really. Now I know that you're a long-timer on here and obviously know your way around the opioid patch. But you gotta admit that you weren't all there mentally at the time and you were only 16 back then. Isn't it possible that you were given 15 mg. morphine IV? This sounds a hellavu lot more plausible to me. Even this is considered more than a normal strong dose which would be 10 mg. It's usually given in the 5-10 mg. dosage range, sometimes less and on occasion more but rarely over 15 mg. in a hospital setting by means of IV push. Even the "small" dose that you mentioned was 7.5 mg. which is still almost 2 times the normal max dose for dilaudid and I can't imagine it ever being called anything even resembling "small" by any doctor or nurse. It might, however, be called small if it were morphine (in comparison to the 15 mg. dose) but in actuality 7.5 mg. is a medium dose of morphine and is in no way a small dose of dilaudid. I can, however, totally believe them calling a 15 mg. sot of morphine the "big one" and 7.5 mg. the "small one". I've had a nurse , when bringing me a 2 mg. shot of dilaudid tell me, "The doctor must have felt sorry for you because he ordered a double dose of pain medication"." Turns out that particular hospital ER does not does not administer more than 2 mg. at a time - period. And this is not atypical.

    I don't wanna ruffle any feathers and I'm sure not calling you a liar (I was just kidding with the 'doubting you' comment). It's just got me genuinely intrigued since it totally flies in the face of anything I've ever experienced or heard/read about.

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    Default Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

    I've decided that between dope and hydromorph, the one that I want the most is ...

    whichever one isn't in front of me right now.

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    Default Re: Choose: A shot of hydromorphone or heroin!

    Kinda old thread... probably already posted, but fuck it

    Never slammed H, snorted wasn't bad, but wasn't great either.

    Dillies on the other hand... many, many 2-4mg IV's in the hospital/ER, including a PCA drip of 4mg every 10min.

    Last ER visit, got 3mg while there, and a script for 20 2mg takehome :cool: ... only time THAT'S ever happened to me tho.

    So, until I try H the 'right way'... I'ma have to say Dillies straight up.

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