Bupe taper chart: comfortably lower your dose

[SpecialGuy69]

Ok so I had some time on my hands and I came up with a fully customizable detox taper chart- you can enter your drug's halflife (expressed in hours, not too exceed 47 because I suck at logarhythms) and your dose per day. It will show you a chart of your dose and base meds in your system- I use this to visualize my taper and see if I'm taking it too slow or fast at any point- it enables me to taper as fast as possible without being uncomfortable.


and here is the link to the spreadsheet: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...FWQdsMw&hl=en#

Thanks to ZenPunk for the idea.

Here's what the chart looks like:

[BettyBeautiful]

I clicked on the link, but it asked me for a UN/PW, do you have that? You can PM me if needed.

Thanks- betty

[SpecialGuy69]

I wanted it hosted on the web so anyone could post their taper if you want someone else to check it out. Just change the greyed out area, put your doses in there and you are good to go

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...QD9_xFJdixXENg

If you want to edit it, sign in as
email31114439@modmailcom.com
password: percocet

[BettyBeautiful]

Sweet, thanks so much!!

[SpecialGuy69]

just wondering to the person who tried the chart out- did it help? Do you have any questions? Your taper could probably go down faster in the middle- once your comfortable on a dose there is no reason to go up

Hope it helps!!!

[Skript]

just wondering to the person who tried the chart out- did it help? Do you have any questions? Your taper could probably go down faster in the middle- once your comfortable on a dose there is no reason to go up

Hope it helps!!!

It wasnt me but Im playing with it now.. Im currently attempting a rapid taper with bupe and am down to my last 8mg... Im hoping to be down to the mcg or null in a week. This thing will help greatly...thanks.... Im open for any recommendations for tapering these last 8mg...
God I hope this works....

[SpecialGuy69]

show me what you come up with. Try to make the blood levels go down as smoothly as possible.

[Opiyum]

Seems great AO. I just can't seem to access it. I have no experience with google docs and because of this have no idea what i'm doing.

Says my email address doesnt have permission. Great work though.

[SpecialGuy69]

use the link, email address and password from post #3.

[Chicago]

I will also make a chart when I start, w/doseing & how I feel at that dose.
KOOL.
WISH ME LUCK, B/C MY LUCK HAD RUN OUT, SOMETHING JUST DIDN'T COME THREW 2 DAY, SO 2MORROW I WILL START & MAKE A CHART.

[Opiyum]

This chart will come in very handy. Thank you very much AO.

[SpecialGuy69]

so you guys got logged on ok?

anyone know a better way to publish this, like so people could fuck around with it without a password?
It would be perfect if you could modify it but it would go back to normal after you closed the page.

[Opiyum]

Yeah with the password and email i was able to just fine. Unfortunately I don't think I understand some of the finer aspects of the chart itself but since I find that bupe seems to leave my system pretty fast and since Im able to get high relatively quickly after taking sub I marked myself for 24 half life. From what I was seeing once you get to the point that your doing .5 to 1mg a day it seems pointless to say....take .5mg then skip a day then take another .5 etc.. Im not sure but it seems that once you get to .5 the best thing to do is just stop altogether. Like I said I don't think I understand some of the finer points.

[SpecialGuy69]

nah opy i think i just need to make a bupe specific graph so you can see the smaller numbers better. The idea behind it was to show you what effect lowering your dose, skipping a day, or cheating with a high dose has overall on your taper.

The way I use it is to plug in the doses for the first ten days or so of my taper, and see how smooth the total blood levels drop. If there is a spike, I know I can comfortably decrease that days dosage. If there is a sharp drop, i know to increase that days dose so i dont feel like hell.

[donethat]

yeah so my doctor said soon he would be lowering my sub dose soon and i sure as hell dont know what to do because i know ill just end up ata methadone program, do you think ill be fine when my river dries..ocationally taking opiates from time to time...hollaback

[Suboxstitute]

Question - if you've been on bupe maintenance wouldn't your levels on the first day be "today's dose" plus all those mgs from the half-lives from the doses from the past 8-9 days?

I did a spreadsheet on that once, and I found that after a person's been on bupe for a good 8-9 days and their blood levels are stablized, on any given day the amount in their system is that's day's dose PLUS that day's dose x 2. It works at any level; I've played around with it.

Is that something you accounted for? I'll have to look at the spreadsheet again, maybe you've accounted for it, or maybe it doesn't really matter.

Example: if you normally take 8mg per day, and you decide today's the day you start your taper, aren't you staerting out with 16mgs, not 8? For example, the 8mg dose you took 36 + hours ago is still there, at 4mgs.

Hope you get my drift.... trying to be clear.

Sue/subox

Edited to say : not trying to be a smart ass - the chart is really helpful.

[gfiendn]

sweet jeebus gawd thanks for that chart. It is a lifesaver. I am on the 3rd day of a suboxone taper but I got the subs from a complete quack. 8mg 3/day take as needed... was in his office all of 5 min and payed in cash. took 16 first 2 days, took for 12 today hopefully 8 tomorrow and just see how I feel. I am going to try to get to a suboxone psychiatrist at upenn who runs free groups for people on it, etc etc but if he wants me on long term maintenance, I want to be on low dose maintenance so getting off aint as much of a bitch

[gfiendn]

I just realized a major flaw in this chart. This chart assumes the bioavailavility for subligual suboxone is 100% when in actuality it is more like 40-50%. This chart is still good for relative levels and comfortability in lowering dose, but it is not an accurate blood serum calculation. If I didnt suck at excel so much I would go in and fix it and repost.

[ausativa]

dude this thread is two years old

[gfiendn]

dude this thread is two years old

I thought stickled threads were fair game and that it was odd that nobody noticed the discrepancy in bioavailability

[dougrounds]

dude. this is some legit shit right here. as a struggling addict, swim has attempted many bupe tapers in the past, consistantly overlooking this one (bc swims a lazy junkball, what can i say?)

but on the real, the half life is tricky... and bupe is a strong drug to be fucking with. for this reason, swim has always attempted somewhat fast tapers... and ive done pretty well in the past... but guess what. swims back to square one.

i cant say that a followed this absolutely PERFECTLY, but i firmly believe that that inital increase in dose (considering the half life of the drug) is what really makes this taper work. dosages will vary from individual to individual, but this time around, swims taper has been relatively bearable... in addition to bupe, swim is smoking lots of kush, taking small amounts of benzos, and drinking a glass of wine or two at night. or beer.

right now, on a very very verryyyyyy low bupe dose, swim feels great physically. but cant sleep. my sex drive immediately came back, but practically all the girls swim normally would contact for that type of thing are currently on the heroin program swim is trying to stay away from.

i know this thread is old, so i hope im not in trouble.. BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH SAYING THAT AS A TROUBLED ADDICT, THIS SHIT WORKED FOR SWIM.

GIVE IT A SHOT.

[Duckfeet]

I've tried bupe every which way. Never have been able to successfully detox from it. It's such a 'hidden' drug, that even though it is still in my system, it feels like it's all gone and I'm clean, but then day 2 or day three of final jump without bupe, I always seem to get overwhelmed with dope cravings. Most bupe 'tapers' --and methadone tapers too, truth be known--just don't work because we get impatient at the end. Main thing I"ve never wavered on with bupe, is the 'less is more' philosophy, and actually, I'm that way with methadone, where I seem to maintain fairly happily without cravings at 20mg daily.

At bupe it was 1mg daily: any less of either, and I want to cop. Any more, and I get constipated and depressed. It's a tough battle, and the sad truth is that everywhere they've tried heroin--or dilaudid--maintenance, it works much better. We want the buzz. And the cruel puritan gov'ts we deal with hate that. If it makes you feel good, it needs to be illegal, and all your life you need to be told how weak you are for wanting it.

[ryan5892]

I've tried bupe every which way. Never have been able to successfully detox from it. It's such a 'hidden' drug, that even though it is still in my system, it feels like it's all gone and I'm clean, but then day 2 or day three of final jump without bupe, I always seem to get overwhelmed with dope cravings. Most bupe 'tapers' --and methadone tapers too, truth be known--just don't work because we get impatient at the end. Main thing I"ve never wavered on with bupe, is the 'less is more' philosophy, and actually, I'm that way with methadone, where I seem to maintain fairly happily without cravings at 20mg daily.

At bupe it was 1mg daily: any less of either, and I want to cop. Any more, and I get constipated and depressed. It's a tough battle, and the sad truth is that everywhere they've tried heroin--or dilaudid--maintenance, it works much better. We want the buzz. And the cruel puritan gov'ts we deal with hate that. If it makes you feel good, it needs to be illegal, and all your life you need to be told how weak you are for wanting it.

For sure, I consider bupe to be nearly impossible to kick for some reason, it just lasts so damn long. Of course people have successfully kicked bupe, most people I've heard of that have, eventually go back to using. My own experience with bupe is I can not for the life of me get off of it. Once I was at a point of 1 8mg pill lasting me over month, couldn't stop though.

I wish codeine was OTC in america, I would switch to it for a month then kick the codeine instead. If I ever do get away from this monster I plan on using hydrocodone for a month and kick that, if i could get down to 30mg hydro a day or so it would be easy to kick, only problem is how fucking expensive pharms are right now, I would prolly need 1000 dollars to buy a month taper with hydros.

I also agree heroin and most pharms, are much easier to kick than methadone or bupe, and heroin maintenence is a perfectly healthy way to go about things, no worse than using methadone or bupe every day, and heroin is much easier to kick than subs. If I would have known then what I do now, I would have never gone on bupe, I would have kicked my fucking dope habit.

[scikid]

Not sure if this is the thread to post it in:

Does anyone have any advice for breaking the tablets or the film. I am reducing from 8 mgs to 7 mgs. I have the tablets and will be getting the film. Basically, I break it in half and break it again?

[Johnny]

The tablets are easy to cut with a razor IMO. If you cut the pill in half then into quarters that's give you 4 2mg pieces. Of course then all that you'd have to do is cut one in half and remove the 1mg piece.

Great job on the chart. I know this thing is old but, I can't for the life of me edit any of the data. Anyone have any tips or is it not working for anyone else?

[Hankswife]

I am trying to use this, I would like to customize a taper for myself, I downloaded it into my own xcel file. But my question is, if I change the "half life" number on the top, shouldnt that change the "percent in body after twenty four hours" number?
Its staying the same.. thats what I cant figure out on my own, and Im an accountant!!

[hydro chris]

I will also make a chart when I start, w/doseing & how I feel at that dose.
KOOL.
WISH ME LUCK, B/C MY LUCK HAD RUN OUT, SOMETHING JUST DIDN'T COME THREW 2 DAY, SO 2MORROW I WILL START & MAKE A CHART.