Why not to use a pen/straw to smoke through!

[milky]

I've read lots of posts from people saying that they smoke their gear through a straw or a bic pen or similar. Luckily, SWIM had some gear yesterday and decided to let me take pics, showing why a carefully folded foil tube should be used instead.





All this lovely filthy gear would be lost inside a straw!



So, you've finnished smoking all your gear? It doesn't have to end yet! Just unroll and unfold your tube.



Run all the specs of crap together...



All this extra fun can be had from the remnants of your tube!!!

[insaneike]

Yeah thats a good method!

Someone always uses glass tubes, like a crack pipe with no filter/screen. Then runs a lump of bud through the tube and it comes out completly tared up

later

[skeletontea]

Edit: I'd replied to this thread in the "recent posts" section, not seeing untill the most recent post that it was specifically about H. My post is more about O but this could easily apply to tar, so sorry if its a little off topic, wasn't my intent.

Untill I have time to finish either of the opium pipes I'm working on (which is never.) I've used tubes from oil lamps like this one.


Speaking of which, this is my last glass tube, and I can't find suitable replacement tubes anywhere. My guess is they're trying to deter meth addicts where I live (most places in town will refuse to sell butane lighters as well, and will treat you like a tweaker upon your request for such an item.)

I'm working on a bamboo pipe right now, but do not currently have access to a potter's wheel to make the bulb. I am also working on a metal pipe, which will have a removable fireproof silicone top for the bulb. Hopefully i can find room temperature castable silicone which isn't pink (black would look very nice, its what I'd be making the mouthpiece and endcap from as well. Speaking of the bulb, I know its a little large right now, I need to cut it down a bit.


Its about a foot and a half long. Sorry for the bad lighting. (In case you're wondering what the black thing sticking out of the end is, its an electrical cord. I'm building this out of a floorlamp!
I've since gutted the tube of all electrical elements (which was quite a pain, it was a really well built product, too bad it wasn't quite up to standards for functionality. It quit working long before I tore it apart.)

[poppy]

The pictures that milky tears shows demonstrate the only way I've seen gear smoked here in the UK, right down to smoking the tube afterwards. Also its easily disposed of so no remnants of drug taking are left for the nasty drug squad to find!!! Laters Poppyx

[bogumil]

I was thinking about making an extra topic about ways to smoke heroin, cause the title of this is specific, but to avoid too many threads about the same topic ... Anyhow

I was curious on how your SWIYS smoke their H. The most common way is just taking a flat aluminium foil, maybe make the sides standing up so nothing falls down, and then suck it through a straw. I found that there is a lot of loss especially if you dont smoke regularly and lack of experience. So I told that to SWIM and he made a smoke tool. I cant take pics at the time so Ill try to explain.

SWIM took a piece of foil and wrapped it around a bottle so that it got a round shape. The high was about 1 - 1.5 inches and it was about 1 inch in a diameter.

Because he had taken a biggger piece of foil so he could form something to hold it with the rest.

When he was finished, the result looked pretty much like the pipe on this pic, only that it was made from aluminum foil.



He placed the H in that, made a straw, put the straw in mouth, moved the other end of the straw inside the pipe, bottle, can, whatever you want to call it, just above the H, heated and smoked.

SWIM says, that he thinks this way he didnt loose so much smoke. What do you think? Do you think it is improvement? Are there better ways of smoking it?

BTW: I read yesterday, that with smoking you get max. 40% of the heroin if youre really experienced, usually less.

[GMorris]

Edit: I'd replied to this thread in the "recent posts" section, not seeing untill the most recent post that it was specifically about H. My post is more about O but this could easily apply to tar, so sorry if its a little off topic, wasn't my intent.

Damn ST, are you talking about raw Opium? How in the hell do you find that here in the states? I'd LOVE to get hold of some of that shit!

[skeletontea]

Damn ST, are you talking about raw Opium? How in the hell do you find that here in the states? I'd LOVE to get hold of some of that shit!

Swim's had some pretty successful gardens. But somewhat recently he asked a dealer who was selling pot to his friend if he knew anybody that had any opium, the dealer told Swim that he himself was a good connection (and I won't go into details as why he's so great, because that might be too much info.) A week or so later Swim called the person up for a gram. What he ended up getting was actually more like two grams (I think the person who packages it just eyeballs it, rather than weighing.) It was a taste Swim had almost forgotten, but sweet memories flooded back to him. He hoped it'd be a little stronger, but feels he got his $20 worth. Basically he lucked out in finding this guy. Swim knows a couple of other guy's but has never dealt with them, and is suspicions about their product, based on their mannerisms, and what they'd said.

[blackdog]

like roseann roseanna danna's father yousta tell her......
seek and yea shall find....or was it confucious say?
i'm losing my mind..oh yeah that's it . a curious mind is good thing to get wasted or was it get wasted and then get curious????? wow i'm so confused!!! damn you rosanne rosanna danna and your father and what he used to tell you,or was it confucious...fuckkkkkkk it all. da/dawgg:cool:
what does any of this have to do with smokeing o or h through a straw?????????something about how does it feel to want and then getting it/some

[Evolbeaver]

Using foil like shown above is a good way to be effecient and not lose much of your stuff, but there are ways to recover whatever sticks to the insides of pen tubes as well. SWIM has always used plastic tubes and they have been worth their weight in gold when SWIM runs out and the tube is still full of residue. By flicking the tube with your finger and keeping the lower end over foil you can release a good amount dope. It is also possible to flex the tube, but dont bend it so far it kinks, which breaks residue off the sidewalls and it will fall out or can be knock out by the previously mentioned flicking method. Lastly, for any extra stuck residue, the tube can be scraped clean to recover every last bit of residue. SWIM has found that old street sweeper blades that can be picked up around town work well (clean them first) as well as little pocket knives. Any long skinny scraper that fits inside the tube is perfect. SWIM prefers this because its a huge relief to have a well used tube to scrape when you cant pick up and has saved WD several times. To be crafty the tube can even have the rest of the pen parts stuck back into it so it isnt obviously paraphaneila, but just a simple writing utensil. Hope this helps someone...

[poppy]

Going back to the foil method shown by Milky a few posts up. I just thought I'd mention that one of the dealers in my town (who smokes a hell of a lot of gear) sells his tubes to people for £5 (half the cost of a bag) and the smokers amongst us junkies fall over themselves to buy them, so these tubes clearly do the trick.
Interestingly his Mrs. bangs her gear IV (also a hell of a lot of it) and she sells her used stericups* also for £5 and likewise the bangers amongst us junkies seem keen enough to pay for these spoons.
I must admit (as a banger I wouldn't buy anyone's second hand spoon, nor would I reccomend that anyone else does for obvious reasons, shit I don't even do the wash from my own spoons in fear of the dreaded bad hit (anyone who's ever had one knows why!!!) but there u go thats just me. Better to be safe than sorry, afterall its not worth the risk of aids or hepatitis.
Also I think this highlights the extent of 'powder power' despite the fact these particular dealers are already making a fortune on the back of other users they think its OK to exploit us even more by effectively selling their rubbish for a profit.
It never ceases to amaze me how quickly people change when they move from the role of user to dealer.

*steri-cups are a 1 use sealed pack with a disposable spoon, swab and filter supplied free by the needle exchange

[Zanzibar]

With ref to Bogumil's foil pipe a few posts ago, folks in my area use hollowed out domestic light bulbs to smoke their tik (metamphetamine I think). Tap the socket part with a hammer until the resin begins to crack, then peel the metal screw in part off and break out the filament stem, and if you're lucky you have an uncracked hollow light bulb...
Apparently it works wonderfully with any other extract you may wish to put in the bottom, with a candle underneath, cause when you suck up the smoke through a straw or tube of your choice, the smoke collects in the bulb between tokes and thus less is wasted.

[bogumil]

This is the tool Ive been talking about. Not a bong, but a bog© . Dont know if it is much better than just a plain foil, but I have the feeling that it lets less smoke escape. It takes 10 seconds to build it. The bottom is only one layer of foil, so the heat can be applied just as on a flat piece of foil. Only the sides are higher and form a slot so that the smoke can be sucked right into a straw if you hold that straw right on the top or into the opening (haha). Just make sure you isolate the straw from heat where you take it in the mouth cause it gets really hot if you bring it close to the pipe. Also, the fact that it is smaller might be good for the H, cause this way the H is more piled up. This way, the part on the bottom gets finished first and protects the stuff on the top from heat. However, I can tell it works and it is more relaxed to smoke cause you dont have to run after the dragon. Dont know if it is really any better. If you all test it and find it better, then this is the beginning of a new era. The dragon is not chased anymore. The dragon is already catched. What about calling it "Imprisoning the Dragon" - style?? Lame, I know...

Please let me know what you think about it and maybe report how the smoking behaviour of this mercedes is.





This is how its done:

1. Lighter placed on a piece of foil. 2. Foil is wrapped over lighter at the height you want the walls of the pipe to be.



3. Sides are wrapped on the back (lighter is turned around on this pic). 4. The foil is formed in a way that the big rest becomes a tool to hold it.


BTW: There are some cool pictorials on this forum lately. Thanks milky for starting this!

[milky]

That's cool bog, but the reason you run the gear accross the foil, is so that it is allways on a clean piece and also so the gear is not right above the flame, but just in front of it. If you heat gear in the same spot on the foil over and over, you get a build up of burned residue on the foil that makes your gear burn way too fast, (The gear gets soaked up into the tiny pieces of ash which then burns very fast wasting your gear.) and also, the foil can get weak and burn through.

Your device could be good for smoking very small amounts of gear, (known as "spotting" sometimes) also might be good for smoking rock? (crack)

SWIM, (who gave me all the above info and has been smoking gear for lots of years) tried lots of weird and wonderfull ways (nice alliteration!?) of smoking H when he first started, but ended up settling on the method that had been used for years before he even knew what drugs were.

[bogumil]

Shit. So I embarrassed myself with the "mercedes" blabla ... Oh well. Ill have to start smoking crack then!

[skeletontea]

The following is a work of fiction.
So much for swim's O connection. He and a friend intended to buy some opium from the guy who gave swim's friend the best deal on pot ever, and sold swim some very decent O. The exchange was made through a friend of this "great guy", and as soon as it was in swim's hands, he knew it felt all wrong. It was so soft, but it couldn't be that fresh in that area, in this season.

Though swim was going to set his freind up first, he decided to try it out beforehand, because it just wasn't right. Neither of their normally reliable butane lighters seemed to work, which was strange. Swim found a bic, and put it to good use. After a couple hits (from a tube that was very difficult to load because the shit was stuck fast to the dammed cigarette papers it was wrapped in, and smeared, and seemed to melt into anything it touched,) swim realized the taste was completely off, and asked his friend to try it, and asked if it tasted like H to him. Though swim had done a great deal more opiates than his friend, he had never used H (nor had he really planned on it), but the friend had done it on numerous occasions before. Swim's friend passed the pipe back to him, "Yeah, it's heroin."

Swim decided to do it anyway, but it had abosorbed into the paper in which it was wrapped, which was surprisingly harsh to smoke. The only method besides smoking that had been used by swim's friend was cooking it and snorting it off of a spoon. The amount that got the friend off surprisingly did nothing for swim. Since it didn't get him anywhere he decided to do some DXM with his freind (even though it wasn't really something Swim did often as of late.) Strangely, swim got the worst histaminic reaction ever (which felt like hundreds of incinsions being made into the body ALL OVER, and having cat hair rubbed into each wound.) The skin directly along swim's spine felt leathery, and almost as if it were going to crack if he leant backwards. His friend said the skin looked and felt scaly and reptilian, but it may just of appeared as such to him because he was robotripping pretty hard. Yet the dextromethorphan had absolutely no effects other than the horrible rash on swim (he was completely sober, and herb did nothing either which is something Swim does really rarely so it should have been quite effective.)

Some would take this as a sign from god, and quit using all substances, but later on Swim tried the H again (at a higher dosage), and actually was able to get a very decent high off of it. Swim is considering not dealing with this "great connection" again, but did notice that what he'd gotten was wrapped in completely different paper in a completely different manner than the O he'd gotten (while the O had been wrapped in semi-waxy paper with twists on the ends like some olde-time confection, this stuff was wadded up in a pair of crumpled rolling papers), so he wonders if maybe the "great guy's" friend who swim met up with kept what he'd recieved, and switched it for what swim ended up getting. Either way, swim got screwed, and now a number of hours later he is having a really unsettling hacking cough.

[milky]

@Bog - No dude, whatever works best for SWIY! Each to their own right? If it works and SWIY likes it... Do it!

[bogumil]

It could be that the guy gave SWIY something different. Opie users can do bad things even to their family...

But as for the hars taste: SWIM used a paper straw once to smoke H off a foil and since the H has this tendency to jump on the straw if one brings it too close to it, it got on the straw and soaked it completely. SWIM tried to smoke the straw then and it was VERY harsh, too. So the harshness must come from the paper.

Did I get it right, that you had 1 middlemen between the pot dealer and himself? So was it his friend or the pot dealer himself who might have changed it? Bevause if there was a middleman then SWIY might want to try to contact the dealer himslef the next time.

But what seems more realistic to me is that someone just had the idea to sell H mixed with something else as Opium. I guess for Opium he can take higher prices ...

[skeletontea]

It could be that the guy gave SWIY something different. Opie users can do bad things even to their family...

But as for the hars taste: SWIM used a paper straw once to smoke H off a foil and since the H has this tendency to jump on the straw if one brings it too close to it, it got on the straw and soaked it completely. SWIM tried to smoke the straw then and it was VERY harsh, too. So the harshness must come from the paper.

Did I get it right, that you had 1 middlemen between the pot dealer and himself? So was it his friend or the pot dealer himself who might have changed it? Bevause if there was a middleman then SWIY might want to try to contact the dealer himslef the next time.

But what seems more realistic to me is that someone just had the idea to sell H mixed with something else as Opium. I guess for Opium he can take higher prices ...

The opium Swim had gotten before tasted just like he remembered from about a year ago (and what he got a year ago, was most certainly O, because he, well......lets just say he "knew" the gardener). It was firm, and had a somewhat sweet, slightly bitter smell to the smoke, which tasted somewhat pleasent. Though it was raw, it was still pretty good.

What swim got yesterday was a mess of goo, and had a very "chemical" taste, with a somewhat subtle underlying taste which sort of resembled fresh green pods. It was very different from O. After leaving to go to the bathroom, and coming back into the room, it smelled absolutely awful. They ended up snorting it out of a spoon because you could not get this shit out of the paper (why was it wrapped in rolling paper!?!) Swim's friend (who'd used H and opium before and was able to compare the two said that Swim's assumption was correct, it was heroin.) The guy who swim was to buy from made an excuse as to why they couldn't meet that night (though it seemed a decent excuse,) and was sending someone out to an area somewhat nearby. Swim isn't sure if if things went awry on the dealer's end, or if this guy's "friend" pocketed Swim's O, and substituted the heroin.

Edit: Swim can't really describe the smell of the stuff in the wrap, because it'd been in a pack of cigarettes, and the smells were hard to seperate.

[opos]

SWIM told me that SWIM always gets that problem with build up . SWIM has been trying forever to figure out a way around it, BTW I saw SWIM make a lightbulb pipe before , it sucks ass for H. SWIM got tired of rolling lengths of foil , SWIM hasn't talked to me in a while about it. SWIM switched to HOTRAILING.

[exitwound]

Smoking off of/through tin foil is bad for you....

[ontario_opiophile]

This is a very interesting thread. I don't know much about smoking H or anything else and have only smoked coke/crack. I just want to point out what "Exitwound" pointed out in the post above me, and that is, smoking with the aluminum foil is bad for you. Aluminum is not the healthiest thing in the world. Whether it can cause major damage is not really known. Some people say it causes brain damage and things like alzheimers, and some tend to disagree. Either way, there hasn't been enough research done to prove their points. I tend to believe aluminum causes damage so I would never smoke with anything made of aluminum or any other metal. But if you have a choice between, aluminum and lead, brass, gold, silver, nickel, and iron. Please, for the love of god, choose aluminum and never smoke out of anything else I mentioned, unless you want to die. The thing I would be most concerned about when smoking out of a metal (aluminum) pipe or foil would be alzheimers. There isn't a huge amount of evidence to support my worry but it's just a feeling I have. Also, if you're going to smoke out of a lightbulb like the poster talked about a bit up from my post, make sure it's a clear lightbulb without a coating! I know 99.9% of us aren't that stupid but some people might accidentally use one that was coated with something. Also, about aluminum, it's in deoderant. I find that to be pretty disturbing. I try to not wear deoderant whenever possible. Everyone should be buying deoderant that doesn't contain a metal in it. Also, on another ranting note, toothpaste often contains Fluoride. Fluoride is one of the most deadly poisons in the world. It is the byproduct of, you guessed it, aluminum smelting. It is also a byproduct of fertilizer production!!! This stuff is toxic to all living things!!! And we use it on our teeth and put it in our drinking water? There hasn't been much evidence to show it really prevents tooth decay. Fluoride is simply the crap the aluminum and chemical companies can't get rid of in a normal garbage dump because it's so fucking toxic!!! The aluminum and chemical companies produce so much of this crap that they have nowhere to send it, so they sell the poison to the big toothpaste conglomerates and add it to mouthwash, toothpastes, and into OUR drinking water. Anyways, i'm starting to sound like a paranoid schizophrenic lol. I just have a hard time believing they put this chemical shit into our water for our own good. Also, the purity of this chemical waste crap they put in the water is probably not very high. I would bet that there are contaminates (arsenic, lead, chromium & other heavy metals) in the fluoride. Anyways, just something to think about. I doubt any of you will have any problems immediately after using the foil. But as you get older, who knows? It wouldn't be right if I didn't mention that fluoride is naturally in water, but just not in levels similar to what the government adds to the water. All sorts of chemicals and heavy metals are in our water, just not usually at a high level. they shouldnt be adding fluoride to our water. It's evil. Goodnight everyone and take care. I'm going to go put on my straightjacket and try to sleep.

[HistoryofMadness]

I hope no one takes this the wrong way but I always find it funny when 'we' talk about how bad things are going into our bodies... don't get me wrong, I'm the same way. For example using filtered water to shoot h cut with god knows what...

Anyway a site I hit for info sometimes, heroinhelper, argues that smoking off of aluminum is not as bad as many think... I tend to agree, its not like the aluminum is getting hot enough to vaporize...

Besides look at your pots and pans next time the fuckin teflon is cooking right off into your food... that sort of thing isn't happening with aluminum or you'd notice.