http://forum.opiophile.org/ Topics relative to the discussion of Benzodiazepines, Barbiturates and other similar drugs should find themselves in this forum. en Fri, 03 Sep 2010 07:27:10 GMT vBulletin 120 http://forum.opiophile.org/images/gnome/misc/rss.jpg http://forum.opiophile.org/ http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=31643&goto=newpost Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:51:01 GMT Hey guys. There isnt much on phenibut on this site and I thought it might be useful to post a succesful taper experience. Ive been using phenibut for the past 3 months, twice a day. My habit started out at about 2 or 3 grams a day but had risen... Hey guys. There isnt much on phenibut on this site and I thought it might be useful to post a succesful taper experience.

Ive been using phenibut for the past 3 months, twice a day. My habit started out at about 2 or 3 grams a day but had risen to about 7 grams a day within a month or so.

For those of you that dont know. Phenibut (beta phenyl gamma amniobutyric acid) is a gaba b agonist similar to ghb and baclofen but also different in many ways.

It is availiable from body building and supplement websites and is sold as a dietary supplement similar to gaba. Unlike gaba, phenibut does cross the bbb and the effects can be quite profound.

I have detoxed from high dose lyrica and baclofen (cold turkey) and it was hell! I am not going to make the same mistake twice. When I say hell I mean it. I once was forced into a 6mg a day clonazepam cold turkey detox, that was bad but not as bad as the baclofen/lyrica detox, just to give you an idea.

I started the taper about 4 or 5 days ago. I went from 6 or 7 grams a day down to 4 in one jump without any wd. The 4 grams a day kept me well but I didnt notice any effects from it which is a good thing since that is the point of a taper.

Over the next 4 days, I slowly brought myself down to about 2 grams a day. That is quite fast but I dont have much left to work with and it seems like a fast taper is ok for my body. Fast or slow doesnt seem to make much of a difference to me as long as I get down to 300mg or less before the final jump.

I took .5 g this morning and am going to try to only take .5 g more later.

My plan is after I make the jump from phenibut I am going to switch over to gaba as needed.
Gaba is like the loperamide of gaba b agonists. Not much crosses the bbb but enough does to provide a little relief.
I will update the thread as my taper progresses.
If anyone has any suggestions or feedback please post it!

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I just want to elaborate on the wd of phenibut and other gaba b agonists.

The wd feels virtually identical to benzos IME but worse. Seizures and convulsions are a possibility and believe me when I say that I will go straight into the ER if I am experiencing any intense wd symptoms after the taper is complete.
I was out of phenibut for 2 days or so (ordering problems) before I knew how bad it could get. I didnt sleep a wink and when I did it didnt feel like sleep. It felt more like I was wide awake but paralyzed and hallucinating. Basically waking dreams during sleep paralysis. Horrific to say the least all while I was literally lying in a puddle of sweat.

One of the worst symptoms is the skin crawlies. Clothes feel unwearable and seem to be made of the scratchiest steel wool.

If anyone becomes physically dependent on phenibut, baclofen, or ghb the most important thing is to taper! Even if its a 3 day taper the wd symptoms can be reduced by up to 90% vs cold turkey. ]]> Sedatives and Hypnotics Billy the kid http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=31643 http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=31626&goto=newpost Wed, 01 Sep 2010 04:56:10 GMT I know that most of benzos aren´t very good at dissolving to water. But has anyone any experience about trying to dissolve temazepam in to methadone liquid? 10mg methadone/1ml? My maintenance medicine ingredients are 10mg/1ml, distilled water and... I know that most of benzos aren´t very good at dissolving to water. But has anyone any experience about trying to dissolve temazepam in to methadone liquid? 10mg methadone/1ml? My maintenance medicine ingredients are 10mg/1ml, distilled water and E218. Too easy to inject :o But anyway, I just put 40mg´s of temazepam to 5 ml methadone and going to let it be dissolving when I sleep, about 6-10hours maybe more. Then i´ll see is it worth of it. But Im also interested that are other benzos dissolvable to such liquid? Actually I´d be pleased if I´d be informed even non-benzo combo in which I can use my methadone.. ]]> Sedatives and Hypnotics OPI+ http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=31626 http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=31566&goto=newpost Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:56:36 GMT If you could get either (but not both) which would you choose and why. Thanks much! If you could get either (but not both) which would you choose and why. Thanks much! ]]> Sedatives and Hypnotics jo-jo http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=31566 http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=31377&goto=newpost Sun, 15 Aug 2010 07:16:54 GMT I'm a dumb-ass.

That out of the way... well, Mrs. LE is the keeper of the klonopin. She gets a few each month for her RLS and sleep issues. I get mine for my anxiety/bipolar. Mind you, she might enjoy a little puff puff action but she's no druggie. Kind of like Dave Chapelle's analysis used on her "She don't do drugs she just smokes weed."

We all know my deal!

Anyway, I found where she kept 'em but confessed a little late. Now I'm taking the hit with mine but she's taking a hit now too because there aren't enough there to tide both of us over until refills (literally maybe a few). So she hasn't taken them and now she'll awaken at the slightest noise. She's told me with no uncertainty it's because she can't take the klonopin she usually takes to go to bed and her legs won't stop. This is not her fault: she stays within her dosage alloted by my doctor but rather it's my fault for fiending through them in my depressive phase of my bipolar disorder. Yeah—we'll blame it on that!

So, I've been thinking I should acquire some benzos (hypothetically) and just give her what's left of the klonopins. She deserves it. I might run the risk of a) breaking the law b) mildly upsetting her but it's really breaking my heart having to watch her go through this. One would think this would instill ethics in yours truly but I cite it as further evidence I'm an addict and I probably don't even deserve them. Yeah but... try fucking selling me on that when I'm having a fucking panic attack!

Should I make do with what little there is and see if I can get muscle relaxers from another doc or should I go out (in a parallel universe) and make this right if it can be by way of replacement with the same or comparable merchandise? I know she'll tell me not to but if she were having a bad night with sleep/RLS I'm SURE she wouldn't say "no" to whatever I hand her. She hasn't in the past.

And yes, I freely admit to being an ass for doing what I did. If anything, I deserve to suffer but the way the refill dates are lookin' I'd guess it'll be both of us for the meantime! ]]> Sedatives and Hypnotics limitless_euphoria http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=31377