Subutex "self Taper"

[Zoop]

I have been on a self taper of subutex for the last 5 days. Generally, I am sticking to the schedule.

I waited almost 18 hours today from my last dose to take my first dose today and I wasn't feeling any WD at all. I think I am going to speed up the process.

I will take just one tablet tomorrow and see how that goes.

Also, my wife has a script for Soma (carisoprodol 350mg), which had a refill on it. I surreptitiously got a partial refill for 10 tablets today, and hope that that will hold me over tomorrow so I don't get the urge to take some subutex while I am at work.

Anyone know how long it can take for WD from bupe to kick in? Could it be more than a day? A day and a half?

Because if I am home free, then I have like 20 tablets of 2mg subutex for a rainy day.

I am only coming off of kratom (mostly), so maybe that's why I am not having a problem so far.

[shaunclo]

Hey Zoop, I am stoked this is working out for you. My w/d start kickin in at about a day 1/2. Sometimes even earlier. Keep us posted

[Zoop]

Ite. I'll try and wait until around 5 pm tomorrow to take som bupe. I took 4mg today at around noon. So, 5pm tomorrow would be a day and a half, about.

Soma is pretty nice, BTW. I am feeling mellow off of 2 of them.

This forum is so totally cool I can't even describe it. Even though it's a bunch of dope fiends talking, I wouldn't have gotten the idea to get myself off of that kratom habit I had. I was actually turning into a pod habit too, truth be told.

I am not saying I will never use again. I just don't want to be tied down to a habit right now. The money thing was the worst part about it.

It seems like the folks here at opiophile are realistic about the lifestyle of being somebody who just really really likes opiates. We are a different set than your potheads, cokeheads, crackheads, alkys, et cetera, even though I probabaly fall into a couple of those categories as well as being an opiophile. It's cool to talk with people who are just tryin' to maintain.

Can't keep a bruva down. naw meen?

[GMorris]

Hey, good luck with that! I kinda wish I could do it, but with the pain levels I experience I doubt that it'll ever be a reality unless it's forced. For that matter, I've noticed some pain in my right hand which scares me. My dad said it might be arthritis, but I'm denying that for now. For goodness' sake I'm only 44!

Still, even when I was on methadone I always heard about Bupe and wondered whether it would be an easier kick than methadone. I got off of 'done, but I've just substituted with another opiate. I'm a sad, sad case I guess..

[duke_nemmerle]

Hey Zoop, I am stoked this is working out for you. My w/d start kickin in at about a day 1/2. Sometimes even earlier. Keep us posted

Word, Zoop really glad to hear things are working out. Keep us posted brutha!

[opiobsessed]

I know everyones body is different and meds affect everyone differently. Well I must have some rare chemistry or something because I can't for the life of me understand what all the hype is about soma. Way back this Jan I was sucking down 25 vicodin pills daily and my pills were running very low so long story short I hooked up with this dude who gave me 40 darvocets and 30 soma's. I used up my last vicodin and in 24 hours I was in wd bad, I thought great I'll take care of that now, I took one soma(forgot what dose it was)and all I did was get real tired and no help from wd. I took two more in an hour or less and then I was in worse wd and so tired I went to bed at 8 at night. I thought wow this soma sucks. I flushed em all down the toilet and started taking my darvocet to hold me out till my next vicodin comes in. I took 2 darvocet and 20 minutes later still no relief. I took 8 darvees within an hour and half the wd subsided but all of a sudden I felt strange mental confusion and just didn't feel very good. Why was that? everyone says they sometimes even take soma and an opiate together and feel great. How can that be? how can some people even take darvocet,vicodin and oxycontin all together at once? I thought if one takes a different opiate while on their common one they will get wd or sick?

[lukilu]

Zoop, Hate to be the bringer of could be bad news ! Dont flush those Subbys just yet > I belong to another forum and reports back from other Subby Peeps is ,most people are feeling the WDs at the 2-3 day mark- long half life and all ! What dosage are you coming from ? are you using Subutex or Suboxone ? Hpoe I am wrong for your and my sake ! Lukilu

[Zoop]

Lukilu, I DEFINITELY am not gonna flush any subbies. I was worried that the WD might not start in earnest for 3 or 4 days. I took only 8 mg yesterday (had 4mg around 8pm last night after that previous post in this thread) about 13 hours ago now. No WD so far and it's 9 am the next morning. I want to wait until 8pm tonight and see how I feel at 24 hours. It's subutex by the way.

I am coming off of kratom primarily, but with a little pods mixed in at the end, just for a week or two, so it's really just kratom that I am detoxing off of. That's why I don't think it's been too bad.

Opiobsessed, soma is not an opiate, it's a sedative/hypnotic really, marketed and prescribed as a muscle relaxant. Every heard of meprobamate? Brand name "Miltown?" Well, soma is almost exactly the same as that. Meprobamate is a C-IV controlled substance, but soma is not controlled. There has been talk of scheduling soma (generic name carisoprodol) for years and still it hasn't been done. It's a money thing I guess. Definitely abusable, though. Like tramadol. Why isn't tramadol scheduled? If propoxyphene is, then tramadol should be too. There are definitely some inconsistencies to U.S. controlled substance laws.

Anyway, a lot of people don't get off on soma. I used to not feel anything from it, but since it's been like five years since I have taken anything hard, including had a drink of any kind, I think my nervous system is more sensitive to it now.

[longing]

i've been on bupe for a 2 yrs now (best thing i have done for my self). the first time i swapped from 'done to bupe and changeover was a bit tough - so i ended up on 20mg dose, daily. it became way too much and i could easily go for 3 days without it. so i came to a brilliant conclusion. take a leap, use remainder sensibly and within a week i'll be feeling real.

well - within a week i was feeling real, and none of it was good. at first i thought i had anaemia or MS: i figured it was something ugly and terminal. and i had been so lucky to avoid any withdrawal. but something was wrong. i didnt have temp problems, i didnt have yawns, i didnt have restless legs, i didnt sniffle, i didnt have diarrhoea, i didnt have cravings. but god i had the worst ache in my joints and bones. i could hardly drag one foot past the other, i was short of breath, and the exertion of inspiration was overwhelming. i was at work and i sat with an oxygen mask feeding me pure O2 in the hope i could get some life into me. i did not have one iota of sleep in me. i wasnt restless, but i was tired and i was awake. after 72hrs of imagining a life of travelling to neuro research appointments in an decrepit wheelchair (they're expensive, you know), i finally clicked to the problem. i searched to the power of 20, and as is often the case, was rewarded by my radar picking up a tiny lost tablet hidden in the darkest, dustiest, cat-haired corner of an old, stinky cupboard. Then i was good for 18hrs, but it came back. I fixed it by taking careful amts of codiene, only when necessary. and everything wouldve been great except i co-exist alongside myself and one of us stumbled upon pharmies. we shared them, then we fought, then we went hand in hand back to the clinic.

Now i am onn 3mg and tapering slowly, but i know there will be some hell to pay once i have the last
dose.

I think the general rule of thumb is that if something gives you pleasure - you will have to pay for it with anti-pleasure. so - keep stuff available for when it is absolutely needed - take slightly less than you need, make your intervals longer and get a new hobby. also - naff as it seems, but excercise is fucking brilliant to get your neurological system interested in other things.

best wishes

[GMorris]

Soma's only good for sleeping, at least for me. I've had 'em numerous times, and all they ever do is make me REALLY relaxed and sleepy. I know a dude that took a handful of them one time, thinking that he'd get good and f**cked up, but he had a really strange reaction. Started shaking violently and was scared to death. I don't remember how it turned out, but last time I saw him he seemed fine...

[Zoop]

i've been on bupe for a 2 yrs now (best thing i have done for my self). the first time i swapped from 'done to bupe and changeover was a bit tough - so i ended up on 20mg dose, daily. it became way too much and i could easily go for 3 days without it. so i came to a brilliant conclusion. take a leap, use remainder sensibly and within a week i'll be feeling real.

well - within a week i was feeling real, and none of it was good. at first i thought i had anaemia or MS: i figured it was something ugly and terminal. and i had been so lucky to avoid any withdrawal. but something was wrong. i didnt have temp problems, i didnt have yawns, i didnt have restless legs, i didnt sniffle, i didnt have diarrhoea, i didnt have cravings. but god i had the worst ache in my joints and bones. i could hardly drag one foot past the other, i was short of breath, and the exertion of inspiration was overwhelming. i was at work and i sat with an oxygen mask feeding me pure O2 in the hope i could get some life into me. i did not have one iota of sleep in me. i wasnt restless, but i was tired and i was awake. after 72hrs of imagining a life of travelling to neuro research appointments in an decrepit wheelchair (they're expensive, you know), i finally clicked to the problem. i searched to the power of 20, and as is often the case, was rewarded by my radar picking up a tiny lost tablet hidden in the darkest, dustiest, cat-haired corner of an old, stinky cupboard. Then i was good for 18hrs, but it came back. I fixed it by taking careful amts of codiene, only when necessary. and everything wouldve been great except i co-exist alongside myself and one of us stumbled upon pharmies. we shared them, then we fought, then we went hand in hand back to the clinic.

Now i am onn 3mg and tapering slowly, but i know there will be some hell to pay once i have the last
dose.

I think the general rule of thumb is that if something gives you pleasure - you will have to pay for it with anti-pleasure. so - keep stuff available for when it is absolutely needed - take slightly less than you need, make your intervals longer and get a new hobby. also - naff as it seems, but excercise is fucking brilliant to get your neurological system interested in other things.

best wishes

The parts that I can understand are SCARY.

[longing]

The parts that I can understand are SCARY.

be cautious and wise.


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