Scored My 1st Balloon

[2HI2C]

Okay, life is just so surreal right now I can't believe it...

So there's a friend at work who has purchased an OC from me here and there. We've known each other for about 10 years, but have never been real close. I know he's pretty cool with everything as he scores me some weed every now and then, etc, etc...

Just for the hell of it, I shot him an email and asked him if he though the hook-ups he has could get h. A few minutes later he walks into my office, closes the door and places a red balloon in front of me. Holy shit! He said, "I've just been waiting for the right time to tell you that I use h, and I guess this is IT!" We both just laughed our asses off.

Well, I guess it's closer to us than we realize! He said, "man, the guy I get it from is more reliable than SuperAmerica!" It seems a little spendy, but when you compare it to the price for an 80mg OC, it's not so bad, 5 for $100, and every order over $200 gets you one free...I just happened to have $300 on me, and he gets to keep the freebies for helping me score.

I went to the bathroom and gave it a go. I don't think I mixed it correctly, as I was looking for the RUSH people talk about, but that didn't happen. I'm totally buzzed, no question about that, but I mixed it too thin I think.

It is tarry, but it's not black, it's sorta like a dark oak color, and smells of vinegar. I used about 3/4 of the balloon and like I said am pretty well lit-up. I'm totally functional and no one would ever know, as I've been shooting my OC here at work for the past week.

The one thing I like about IV'ing -vs- snorting is that I used to have a strong craving when I was snorting for another bump every 2hrs or so. Shooting it doesn't do that to me. It's more like 5 - 6 hrs before I start to get some sort of craving for another bump up.

Anyway, just wanted to let you guys know that life is CRAZY!!! I NEVER would have thought it would have been that easy to score h, here. And actually, IT CAME TO ME!!! sheesh...

[rex24u]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news...oh no I don't.

Be careful bro that 5-6 hr before you get a craving is going to reduce drastically!!!

I can tell from your posts that you really enjoy the experiences that you are going through, and that's fine. Just be careful. I don't think you really know what you are getting yourself into ( no disrespect intended).

I am glad that you found someone, a "friend" who you can talk to about things now though and show you the ropes.

Be careful bro.

[RxQueen]

well it sure didn't take long, did it? you've scored the H you wanted and already are shooting for the rush, when it all started with looking for pain relief. pretty soon you'll be dealing with needle fever (trying to get anything that'll even partly go into solution into a rig) and WD from running out of meds early. you're tolerance will sky-rocket before you have a chance to realize it. and the urge to do more dope sooner is coming, even stronger than when you were snorting OC.

i truly hope that i'm wrong, but this is how it went for (probably) about 97% of us. very few start out with intentions different from yours. it's just where this road you've set foot on leads, no matter your starting point or the direction you take once you're on it. the end-game is the same.

this post is just chock-full & sloppin' over with negativity, but i won't apologize for it this time or make excuses. the truth is an ugly beast, and i fear that you've just set yourself up to see that horror firsthand, up close and personal.

congratulations on your score, because i'm still a sick junky that enjoys when another doper gets what they're wanting. but i mourn your loss of innocence in the world of needles & heroin. :(

[TrentonBoy]

if its your first time ever, and you're not on your ass...

it might not of been that good.

[greasy_bear]

Getting off in the washroom at work is going to find you in a world of trouble.
One unexpectedly potent shot, you start to nod a minute in the cubicle, next thing you know the paramedics are wheeling you out the door and your boss has someone cleaning out your desk.
Another consideration is that tar-like H really does a number on your veins.
Enjoy it while it lasts, friend. Some day it will make a great story to tell.

[Dan Steely]

I am glad you are having fun but take it easy there tiger. You are moving along very quickly. Try like a mo fo to keep your tol down while you still can, and please don't f up your job and family for the sake of a buzz. I am sure it has taken you years maybe decades of hard work to build the life you have. Protect it from yourself. Your body too. From what I understand you can really mess up your veins shooting up.

That being said. Isn't it amazing how our thoughts come to fruition without even actually trying?

[stringbeanjeans]

Okay, life is just so surreal right now I can't believe it...

So there's a friend at work who has purchased an OC from me here and there. We've known each other for about 10 years, but have never been real close. I know he's pretty cool with everything as he scores me some weed every now and then, etc, etc...

Just for the hell of it, I shot him an email and asked him if he though the hook-ups he has could get h. A few minutes later he walks into my office, closes the door and places a red balloon in front of me. Holy shit! He said, "I've just been waiting for the right time to tell you that I use h, and I guess this is IT!" We both just laughed our asses off.

Well, I guess it's closer to us than we realize! He said, "man, the guy I get it from is more reliable than SuperAmerica!" It seems a little spendy, but when you compare it to the price for an 80mg OC, it's not so bad, 5 for $100, and every order over $200 gets you one free...I just happened to have $300 on me, and he gets to keep the freebies for helping me score.

I went to the bathroom and gave it a go. I don't think I mixed it correctly, as I was looking for the RUSH people talk about, but that didn't happen. I'm totally buzzed, no question about that, but I mixed it too thin I think.

It is tarry, but it's not black, it's sorta like a dark oak color, and smells of vinegar. I used about 3/4 of the balloon and like I said am pretty well lit-up. I'm totally functional and no one would ever know, as I've been shooting my OC here at work for the past week.

The one thing I like about IV'ing -vs- snorting is that I used to have a strong craving when I was snorting for another bump every 2hrs or so. Shooting it doesn't do that to me. It's more like 5 - 6 hrs before I start to get some sort of craving for another bump up.

Anyway, just wanted to let you guys know that life is CRAZY!!! I NEVER would have thought it would have been that easy to score h, here. And actually, IT CAME TO ME!!! sheesh...


No offense dude, but WTF?????? You just got done telling us that you don't hang in junky circles and you'd never do H because you're not looking for it and don't want it. Obviously that went out the window overnight! I hate to say it, but I think you're going to be broke real quick. That H sounds pretty expensive.

Lets be clear. H didn't come to you, you went looking for it. Plain and simple. Didn't you just start shooting oc like last week? I can see everyone's predictions coming true. You sound like every other junky at the beginning. I don't mean to be a downer or anything. I just don't understand your thought process at all. Why do you say all this stuff if you intend to go back on your own words the next day?

[Dan Steely]

No offense dude, but WTF?????? You just got done telling us that you don't hang in junky circles and you'd never do H because you're not looking for it and don't want it. Obviously that went out the window overnight! I hate to say it, but I think you're going to be broke real quick. That H sounds pretty expensive.

Lets be clear. H didn't come to you, you went looking for it. Plain and simple. Didn't you just start shooting oc like last week? I can see everyone's predictions coming true. You sound like every other junky at the beginning. I don't mean to be a downer or anything. I just don't understand your thought process at all. Why do you say all this stuff if you intend to go back on your own words the next day?

Try not to be so hard on the guy. He is a good dude and he is being very open and sharing. It's tough to watch someone make the same mistakes we all have but this is not an intervention. His thought process is the same as every other junky. He just happens to be on accellerated journey.

No offense Stringbro. I can see that you are a little frustrated but try to remember what you were like when you got started. I'm sure you never thought things would get where they are for you today in the beginning. Nobody does.

[stringbeanjeans]

Try not to be so hard on the guy. He is a good dude and he is being very open and sharing. It's tough to watch someone make the same mistakes we all have but this is not an intervention. His though process is the same as every other junky. He just happens to be on accellerated journey.

No offense Stringbro. I can see that you are a little frustrated but try to remember what you were like when you got started. I'm sure you never thought things would get where they are for you today in the beginning. Nobody does.


Sorry if I'm being harsh 2HI2C. I don't mean to be at all. I think it's cool that you're so open about everything.

I'm just really confused about your posts.

[nick]

Sorry if I'm being harsh 2HI2C. I don't mean to be at all. I think it's cool that you're so open about everything.

I'm just really confused about your posts.

I'm not confused at all...........worried definately.

[soulman]

I thought this was an opiate friendly board!!! Everytime someone says they banged H on here they get more bullshit thrown at them than a fucking NA meeting!!! If you're not accepted for wanting to try opiates here then what is the point of having an opiate lovers website?!?!?!?! Everybody here had a first time with their DOC so why does everybody get up on their soapbox whenever someone says they tried something?!?! None of us are 5 year olds, and I think we all know the risks and consequences so can we stop with all the negative thoughts and let the guy enjoy his buzz!!!:mad::mad::mad:

[nick]

I thought this was an opiate friendly board!!! Everytime someone says they banged H on here they get more bullshit thrown at them than a fucking NA meeting!!! If you're not accepted for wanting to try opiates here then what is the point of having an opiate lovers website?!?!?!?! Everybody here had a first time with their DOC so why does everybody get up on their soapbox whenever someone says they tried something?!?! None of us are 5 year olds, and I think we all know the risks and consequences so can we stop with all the negative thoughts and let the guy enjoy his buzz!!!:mad::mad::mad:

True,let's just let him fuck his life up.........who cares,right?

[MttJocy]

Man, please take it easy, whatever you may have read and heard about heroin you will only truely know how addictive the shit is the hard way, so take it stead and protect your low tolerance as well man.

Also I have to second what someone else said, the work bathroom is a bad place to hit up, get a better than normal batch or hit up a bit too much and you will find yourself nodding out so hard you will be none functional and might be noticed, worse still you could end up OD'ing and having to have an ambulance summoned to you in your workplace, it is a great way to loose your job and it is not worth loosing your job over so please be more sensible with your choice of using locations man.

Enjoy the high but take it responsibly and take it easy, keep it safe.

[Nate]

Good Luck, thats all Im saying....

I remeber reading your post for your first time shooting, now to the h, oh boy bud its all down hill from here, and trust me those craving will get 1 trillion times worse then snorting.

It might be to late, might not be, get off the needle! Years down the road, you will be thinking....FUCK why didn;t I stop when I could. Keep in mind too, if u get a batch of strong h, you have a small tollerence, even a small looking shot can still kill you. Doesn't sound fun does it. I hope you can stop the needle dude, but you have to want to.

Nate

[soulman]

I think my post was taken the wrong way. If you think I don't care about someone else being hurt or fucking up their life you are totally wrong. I just meant that the people who come here have all heard the dangers of drug use/abuse, and have chosen of their own free will to use drugs, This is supposed to be a place that those people can come and discuss their adventures in the drug world without being lectured or judged for those choices. It's pretty obvious that the majority of people here use drugs, whether prescribed or not, for pleasure. I mean when half of the site is recipies for ways to get more euphoria out of your presciptions or shit you can get off the net, or from friends, I think you could safely say that most people here like to use drugs, and know the risks/consequences of using them and have chosen to anyway. This is supposed to be the one place you can come and talk openly and honestly about getting high/low without a lecture, at least it used to be,I'm really beginning to wonder if this was set up by the DEA or NA or some shit like that!!! "Let's get all the junkies together, and make em' think they can talk about whatever they want to, and then once they all feel comfortable, we'll bust em' all and brainwash em' into thinking drugs are horrible and will only fuck their lives up!!!" I mean come on, not every single person who uses drugs will become a homeless fiend, it is possible to use and still function in society. Let's leave the lectures to the counselors in rehab centers!!!;)

[RxQueen]

I think my post was taken the wrong way. If you think I don't care about someone else being hurt or fucking up their life you are totally wrong. I just meant that the people who come here have all heard the dangers of drug use/abuse, and have chosen of their own free will to use drugs, This is supposed to be a place that those people can come and discuss their adventures in the drug world without being lectured or judged for those choices. It's pretty obvious that the majority of people here use drugs, whether prescribed or not, for pleasure. I mean when half of the site is recipies for ways to get more euphoria out of your presciptions or shit you can get off the net, or from friends, I think you could safely say that most people here like to use drugs, and know the risks/consequences of using them and have chosen to anyway. This is supposed to be the one place you can come and talk openly and honestly about getting high/low without a lecture, at least it used to be,I'm really beginning to wonder if this was set up by the DEA or NA or some shit like that!!! "Let's get all the junkies together, and make em' think they can talk about whatever they want to, and then once they all feel comfortable, we'll bust em' all and brainwash em' into thinking drugs are horrible and will only fuck their lives up!!!" I mean come on, not every single person who uses drugs will become a homeless fiend, it is possible to use and still function in society. Let's leave the lectures to the counselors in rehab centers!!!;)

i can relate to what you said in all your posts in this thread. and i agree that not every junky (or drug user, whatever terminology you like) becomes a homeless fiend... i've managed to stay in & out of this game for around 23 years, and i'm still not sleeping in the streets. i'm not trying to lecture, or to bring anybody down, and i'm definitely not one to get on a soapbox.

just please understand that i have a strong opinion on this case because just last week, i was one of the folks here that helped this guy learn how to shoot. so if i get a little personal in my repeated warnings to 2hi2c, it's only out of concern and my own feeling of responsibility. sometimes it helps a person who's new to the game to have someone reminding them just how easy it is to slip over the edge leading to reckless abandon. and that's my only intention here.... a friendly reminder to someone who hasn't had the free choice replaced yet by the overwhelming need.

so 2hi2c... it's only out of concern for YOUR well-being that i point out the possible negativity you might face. you seem to be a person with a good amount of sense (as i've told you before). otherwise i probably wouldn't have even tried to help you learn.... i try to avoid teaching those who don't have the humility or honesty to truly learn. and i still applaud your openness... you DID express interest in heroin from the beginning (to refute the claim someone else made about you going back on your word about not even wanting it). you've been very forthright in your intentions, and you've been great about taking our collective warnings to heart while still letting us know that it didn't change your mind. so i believe that you'll understand that if i still try to urge caution, you won't take it the wrong way.

so please be careful. (this probably won't be the last time i say this to you!) :o

[doctor diesel]

I think my post was taken the wrong way. If you think I don't care about someone else being hurt or fucking up their life you are totally wrong. I just meant that the people who come here have all heard the dangers of drug use/abuse, and have chosen of their own free will to use drugs, This is supposed to be a place that those people can come and discuss their adventures in the drug world without being lectured or judged for those choices. It's pretty obvious that the majority of people here use drugs, whether prescribed or not, for pleasure. I mean when half of the site is recipies for ways to get more euphoria out of your presciptions or shit you can get off the net, or from friends, I think you could safely say that most people here like to use drugs, and know the risks/consequences of using them and have chosen to anyway. This is supposed to be the one place you can come and talk openly and honestly about getting high/low without a lecture, at least it used to be,I'm really beginning to wonder if this was set up by the DEA or NA or some shit like that!!! "Let's get all the junkies together, and make em' think they can talk about whatever they want to, and then once they all feel comfortable, we'll bust em' all and brainwash em' into thinking drugs are horrible and will only fuck their lives up!!!" I mean come on, not every single person who uses drugs will become a homeless fiend, it is possible to use and still function in society. Let's leave the lectures to the counselors in rehab centers!!!;)




Woooah!! Easy tiger! Hold on just one minute!
What this board is about PRIMARILY is damage limitation, and damage limitation is essentially what most of the answers to the original post are about, so in that respect this thread is a fine example of the opiophorum working just as it should do.
Let's not knock it or get disillusioned with it, cos it's doing its job, and a fine one at that!


Doc Diesel

[2HI2C]

No offense dude, but WTF?????? You just got done telling us that you don't hang in junky circles and you'd never do H because you're not looking for it and don't want it. Obviously that went out the window overnight! I hate to say it, but I think you're going to be broke real quick. That H sounds pretty expensive.

Lets be clear. H didn't come to you, you went looking for it. Plain and simple. Didn't you just start shooting oc like last week? I can see everyone's predictions coming true. You sound like every other junky at the beginning. I don't mean to be a downer or anything. I just don't understand your thought process at all. Why do you say all this stuff if you intend to go back on your own words the next day?

Alrighty, then....

I don't think you've been reading all my posts friend. All I will say is that I am not a first time user. As I mentioned about a week ago, I am holding my cards pretty close to my chest until I feel like this is a place I can hang and REALLY be myself. I've been pretty open up till now, but you'll get to know me better as time goes on. I've been down the dark tunnel many a time, and yes, have experienced major w/d's to the point of having to be hospitalized. Not fun, and I know that first hand. I do know what I'm getting myself into, but there's a piece of the puzzle not many people get, save my Dr, and that is the fact that I'm NOT a recreational user! I use because I don't want to go through a fucking 3-level spinal fusion! Been there, done that. My pain is under treated, and NOBODY should have to live life in as much pain as I do. If life is going to be shit, then it's going to feel good! That's all I have to say about that...

It's really been cool finding a place like this.

[stringbeanjeans]

Alrighty, then....

I don't think you've been reading all my posts friend. All I will say is that I am not a first time user. As I mentioned about a week ago, I am holding my cards pretty close to my chest until I feel like this is a place I can hang and REALLY be myself. I've been pretty open up till now, but you'll get to know me better as time goes on. I've been down the dark tunnel many a time, and yes, have experienced major w/d's to the point of having to be hospitalized. Not fun, and I know that first hand. I do know what I'm getting myself into, but there's a piece of the puzzle not many people get, save my Dr, and that is the fact that I'm NOT a recreational user! I use because I don't want to go through a fucking 3-level spinal fusion! Been there, done that. My pain is under treated, and NOBODY should have to live life in as much pain as I do. If life is going to be shit, then it's going to feel good! That's all I have to say about that...

It's really been cool finding a place like this.

Like i said I apologize about being so harsh in that post. Sorry.

I don't doubt that you're pain or anything. Just take things slow man. I'm not telling you not to do this stuff at all. Just be careful. Keep your tolerance as low as possible. That's all. I said my share.

[tui]

this thread gives me anxiety. seriously. what do you want me to say? congratulations?
i really, really hope you're stronger/better/luckier than me, and everyone else on this well-trod road to hell.
hate to see this.

t

[moviebuff927]

Alrighty, then....

I don't think you've been reading all my posts friend. All I will say is that I am not a first time user. As I mentioned about a week ago, I am holding my cards pretty close to my chest until I feel like this is a place I can hang and REALLY be myself. I've been pretty open up till now, but you'll get to know me better as time goes on. I've been down the dark tunnel many a time, and yes, have experienced major w/d's to the point of having to be hospitalized. Not fun, and I know that first hand. I do know what I'm getting myself into, but there's a piece of the puzzle not many people get, save my Dr, and that is the fact that I'm NOT a recreational user! I use because I don't want to go through a fucking 3-level spinal fusion! Been there, done that. My pain is under treated, and NOBODY should have to live life in as much pain as I do. If life is going to be shit, then it's going to feel good! That's all I have to say about that...

It's really been cool finding a place like this.

I don't doubt you are in pain. But I hope you understand that most of the people who have responded DO NOT want to see you live a life of misery. That's why they are warning you. You say that you know what you're getting yourself into? How? One user commented that he/she felt somewhat responsible because they taught you how to shoot up recently. So you haven't been using the needle that long. So do you honestly think you know what you're getting into? Taking a drug by mouth and injecting it into your veins are two totally different feelings. If you wanted pain relief and that's it, you wouldn't be shooting up, at your workplace no less, and talking about how fun it is. If you thought W/D's were bad before, wait till you get on that needle bad enough. I don't want it to happen, but the way your attitude is, it's GOING to happen.

The thing that got me is the fact that you said "I AM NOT A RECREATIONAL USER"?!?!?! That is called "DENIAL" No I don't know that for a fact, only you can know if you're an addict or not.

And I'm not trying to say "I'm holier than thou" type attitude. I'm trying to make you realize that you MIGHT have a problem and you MIGHT be setting yourself up for a miserable rest of your life. If you think it's bad now, just wait and continue doing what you started. I realize that you probably disagree with everything I'm saying, but please understand one thing: I don't want to see anybody live the horror which is addiction. And neither do most people on here.

This site is here to help and educate. Experience has taught me that there is no responsible IV user. But I'm saying take everyone's advice and just realize that you are not doing the right thing. If you can see that this is probably the worst thing you could be doing right now in this point in time, look at alternatives if you still have a clear and good head on you.

Or continue down the road you obviously have set yourself up to live. That's all I'm going to say.

[RangerXLT8]

if its your first time ever, and you're not on your ass...

it might not of been that good.

What he said.

[TappyTibbons]

Woooah!! Easy tiger! Hold on just one minute!
What this board is about PRIMARILY is damage limitation, and damage limitation is essentially what most of the answers to the original post are about, so in that respect this thread is a fine example of the opiophorum working just as it should do.
Let's not knock it or get disillusioned with it, cos it's doing its job, and a fine one at that!


Doc Diesel

exactly what I was thinking. This site is first and foremost about helping people find the safest methods of opiate use, and for the most part, that is to be in opiate abstinance. While no one likes to be nagged, if I got the sence that someone was taking things on a little fast, I would mos def let them know, multiple times as well. Some of us need to have somethings drilled into our heads to get them right. Not saying that 2HI couldn't handle his business, but it does seem that he did jump from the old pain plight to the scoring smack skit kinda quickly,and after he was talking about not doing such a thing. But I know exactly where he comes from. I constantly find myself making excuses to use a new opiate or any opiates at all, so I don't feel so poorly about using when I know I should be quitting. You know, any reason at all... it's my birthday... it's the day before my birthday...... It's a holiday....... I just got a big paycheck.......it's....it's... it's.......... Tuesday..... from now on I'll only use on Tuesdays............ I am such a sorry sack of shit lol

[IceCold]

2HI2C,
If you are spending $300 on tar and you are not getting at least 5 grams you are getting ripped off. you might want to invest in a scale. Also, don't get in over your head man.

[AZJunkie]

Didn't your mommas ever tell you that "if you dont have anything nice to say......shut the hell up?"

[antigonemuse]

sounds to me like your buddy is getting more then a few bumps free at that price.... more like you may be paying for his habbit too... but then again, i get powder and its from jerz...(real cheap)

you probably didnt get a rush because of all the oxy you are on. try not doing anything for like 12 hours or so, then give yourself a modest hit... if you dont get a rush its bunk

and i know you are in pain, but most your posts are about getting high and looking for a rush... so pardons the confusion on the board... your excited to be getting high, far be it from me to put that down... your just going about it so quickly, in haste it seems. and keep in mind even though you feel functional, and dont think people can tell... they probably can, dope is like that. I can barely feel it wen my eyes start to roll back in my head, then someone asks if im alright... FYI.... i wouldnt be experrmenting with it at work. and its kinda scarry that no one arounds really knows what you are doing... most junkies have at least a network of peps that can help, in times of use and over abuse


peace

[Duckfeet]

It's kind of an opiophile tradition to warn people away from the IV road. Most of us have paid hard dues for traveling down it. And every once in a while the cost seems severe.

It's also a tradition to totally ignore our good advice, and to say: "My case is different, I'm only doing it ____________." Fill in the blank. No sweat. I kind of like it that we try, and am never surprised when advice is disregarded. Nature of the beast...

[fresh]

:mad: Can't get tar over here in Ireland only powder. Are we missing out?Okay, life is just so surreal right now I can't believe it...

So there's a friend at work who has purchased an OC from me here and there. We've known each other for about 10 years, but have never been real close. I know he's pretty cool with everything as he scores me some weed every now and then, etc, etc...

Just for the hell of it, I shot him an email and asked him if he though the hook-ups he has could get h. A few minutes later he walks into my office, closes the door and places a red balloon in front of me. Holy shit! He said, "I've just been waiting for the right time to tell you that I use h, and I guess this is IT!" We both just laughed our asses off.

Well, I guess it's closer to us than we realize! He said, "man, the guy I get it from is more reliable than SuperAmerica!" It seems a little spendy, but when you compare it to the price for an 80mg OC, it's not so bad, 5 for $100, and every order over $200 gets you one free...I just happened to have $300 on me, and he gets to keep the freebies for helping me score.

I went to the bathroom and gave it a go. I don't think I mixed it correctly, as I was looking for the RUSH people talk about, but that didn't happen. I'm totally buzzed, no question about that, but I mixed it too thin I think.

It is tarry, but it's not black, it's sorta like a dark oak color, and smells of vinegar. I used about 3/4 of the balloon and like I said am pretty well lit-up. I'm totally functional and no one would ever know, as I've been shooting my OC here at work for the past week.

The one thing I like about IV'ing -vs- snorting is that I used to have a strong craving when I was snorting for another bump every 2hrs or so. Shooting it doesn't do that to me. It's more like 5 - 6 hrs before I start to get some sort of craving for another bump up.

Anyway, just wanted to let you guys know that life is CRAZY!!! I NEVER would have thought it would have been that easy to score h, here. And actually, IT CAME TO ME!!! sheesh...

[IceCold]

:mad: Can't get tar over here in Ireland only powder. Are we missing out?

Unless your powder is really shitty you are definately not missing out. Tar heoin is is called tar because it is a sticky mess. just think about what is likely more pure a sticky mess of goo or a powder? Pure heroin is powder so I would guess that most powder heroin is of higher purity than tar. Of course powder could be cut to the point where it is less potent than tar. Also tar is commonly not reacted all of the way and when tested often contains high levels of mono-acetyl-morphine which isn't as potent as our good friend di-acetyl-morphine.

[Duckfeet]

I think tar is a rip. I'd rather shoot up percodans. Trade it for dilaudids in a heartbeat. Some mexican crap..I don't know where these chemists studied, but it's *nothing* like real heroin. About like fixing codeine cut with cornflower and donkeyshit, IMO. Doesn't give u any of that overwhelming good feeling that real heroin gives, and is *horrible* on misses, and hardens up veins, even when u hit.

I never thought the day would come, when I was eternally grateful for methadone...but that day is here. Fuck, u can keep tar. It'll get u good and strungout, I can testify to that...but that's it.

I'll swap places w/u Fresh. But nah, this time I got on methadone w/attitude it was also an anti-depressant, and fuck it, I'm here for life, so I quit fighting it....

Anyways.....



:mad: Can't get tar over here in Ireland only powder. Are we missing out?

[turdkenedy]

if its your first time ever, and you're not on your ass...

it might not of been that good.
the first time i tried injecting i didnt get high. it had nothing to do with quality, i just fucked up the process somewhere.

there are alot of things you can do wrong, for example the obvious being you will most likely miss the vein.

[jonny-5]

the first time i tried injecting i didnt get high. it had nothing to do with quality, i just fucked up the process somewhere.

there are alot of things you can do wrong, for example the obvious being you will most likely miss the vein.

ya but if you miss you still feel it.

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ive had good tar and bad tar and all i can say is...fuck tar. although the good tar i get is better than any powder ive ever had. i dont know, IVing tar for 4 years has definitely fucked my veins up. before i just recently quit (again) i was hitting finger veins. fucking recockulous. but anyways...

[oxydose]

The one thing I like about IV'ing -vs- snorting is that I used to have a strong craving when I was snorting for another bump every 2hrs or so. Shooting it doesn't do that to me. It's more like 5 - 6 hrs before I start to get some sort of craving for another bump up.

That will change quickly my friend, keep that in your mind. And jonsin for a fix is a lot worser than jonsin for a line, atleast IMO.

All i've really got to say... that needle really never works out to be a good thing

[Ragdoll]

"I've seen the needle and the damage done...."

[Dan Steely]

You know maybe all these warnings are not gonna do much for the op but I'm listening. I like opi's a lot and sure I'd love to know what all the fuss about shootin is but it's really starting to sink in that I am better off not knowing. I have yet to hear one person that I respect around this place say that it's a good idea. That says a lot to these ears. I'l just continue to be blissfully ignorant and enjoy the buzz I get from eating and sniffing.

[Ragdoll]

DS, you put that so well...not "one person I respect around this place say it's a good idea" - exactly my thought, the one I couldn't seem to articulate.

[grant123]

2HI2C,
If you are spending $300 on tar and you are not getting at least 5 grams you are getting ripped off. you might want to invest in a scale. Also, don't get in over your head man.


yah... rub it in why dont yah =p in the north west ( South. Oregon) they pay 50$ for .3-.5 baloons. yah i know talk about mexican mafia monopolizing on this small area of junkies -_- new dealers would be a god send

[Duckfeet]

Worse too, is that at least in the old days they had sell real heroin, even if it was cut to shit...now--mostly thru smoking it--they've got a whole generation believing this tar crap is heroin, so the boys don't even bother hardly bringing in the real deal, since any idiot down in Guerrero apparently, can make tar...bring back the French Connection, boycot S. of the border....they stir up some crappy opium with hot sauce and call it heroin :-(

yah... rub it in why dont yah =p in the north west ( South. Oregon) they pay 50$ for .3-.5 baloons. yah i know talk about mexican mafia monopolizing on this small area of junkies -_- new dealers would be a god send

[RxQueen]

i can't believe this thread is still going! i just reread it and now i'm wondering...

how are ya doin' these days 2hi2c? haven't heard anything from ya in a while, but i just checked your profile & it says you've been here recently. howzabout an update for us? don't make us start to worry about you! ;)

(honest, i'm not trying to make ya feel bad or anything, just wondering how everything's been treating ya these days!)

[2HI2C]

i can't believe this thread is still going! i just reread it and now i'm wondering...

how are ya doin' these days 2hi2c? haven't heard anything from ya in a while, but i just checked your profile & it says you've been here recently. howzabout an update for us? don't make us start to worry about you! ;)

(honest, i'm not trying to make ya feel bad or anything, just wondering how everything's been treating ya these days!)

I am alive and well...well, not quite well yet, today...but I will be in about 45min when my wife drops off my afternoon dose.

People, people, people! I didn't heed the advice to NOT start IV'ing and everyone was RIGHT, once you give in to the needle, NOTHIN else works. I was shooting up to 10 40mg Purdue's a DAY 2 weeks ago. My wife lifted up my sleaves and saw the track marks, called my Doc and he tightened the leash. (yes, he found out I was shooting my prescription and didn't drop me as a patient).

He has me show my arms to my wife every evening (but since I shoot into the area just above my wrists now, she doesn't see it when I turn my arms over to show her the inside of my elbows...sad, huh?) and he requires that SHE be the one who picks up the written script from him and then the script from the pharm. Next Monday he's moving me over to Methadone. Sooooooo....you wanna start IV'ing???? Think long and hard about it, REALLY.

I'll tell you what, I LOVE dropping the plunger on a 40mg or 80mg. I've NEVER had a better feeling, and since I get my meds for chronic pain (failed back surgery), I'll do anything to feel that good, now. I NEVER thought I would start shooting, but now that I started, I'm not able to stop. I'm going to do it until he switches me over to 'done...

In a nutshell!

[RxQueen]

welcome to the dark side... i read your other recent threads. the needle-jones never goes away once you catch it (at least for most of us). prepare to not be fully trusted anymore, even (especially) by yourself. i hope it works out for you on the 'done. that stuff isn't worth IV'ing, but oral bioavailability is great, and it's good for chronic pain. i really hope you manage to stay off the needle... i know i've never managed to stay away from it for long. i know myself too well by now... if i were in your shoes, i'd go on the 'done but still be searching out something to put in my veins. don't be like me, 2HI... sounds trite, but i truly mean it. wishing you the best of luck, and keep us updated.

[SHELLEY]

i managed to quit heroin for a long time
at one point in my life
so i started shooting coke
i used to shoot up vodka and water when i had nothing else
i'm a damn needle freak!
haven't tried the whole shooting-pills thing
seems like too much hard work
since good h is SOOOOO easy to score here in south florida
(as well as good coke)
but the heroin conundrum is this:

when you can stop, you don't want to stop
when you want to stop, you can't stop

think about it...

don't let this come off as preachy or like i'm better than you somehow
i'm a crack-smoking
heroin-shooting
oxycontin-crunching
coke-slamming
under-the-bridge-sleeping
ex meth-dealing
street hooker
so trust me, you're probably a lot better than me if anything
just trying to look out for one of my own hah

[RxQueen]

but the heroin conundrum is this:

when you can stop, you don't want to stop
when you want to stop, you can't stop

think about it...


that's about the best way to put it. you got a real way of boiling down the truth, shelley. that's like a junky bumper-sticker or sump'n.

[Ragdoll]

It's kind of an opiophile tradition to warn people away from the IV road. Most of us have paid hard dues for traveling down it. And every once in a while the cost seems severe.

It's also a tradition to totally ignore our good advice, and to say: "My case is different, I'm only doing it ____________." Fill in the blank. No sweat. I kind of like it that we try, and am never surprised when advice is disregarded. Nature of the beast...

Ducky, I so need a good read - no, a GREAT read. Do me and about a zillion other people a favor, wouldya? Write a book. You're a brilliant man with a knack for stringing the words of your perceptions together in a way that is pure and natural poetry.

[2HI2C]

welcome to the dark side... i read your other recent threads. the needle-jones never goes away once you catch it (at least for most of us). prepare to not be fully trusted anymore, even (especially) by yourself. i hope it works out for you on the 'done. that stuff isn't worth IV'ing, but oral bioavailability is great, and it's good for chronic pain. i really hope you manage to stay off the needle... i know i've never managed to stay away from it for long. i know myself too well by now... if i were in your shoes, i'd go on the 'done but still be searching out something to put in my veins. don't be like me, 2HI... sounds trite, but i truly mean it. wishing you the best of luck, and keep us updated.

Oh, man...ME to a freaking "T"! It's like I just looked into a mirror! Based on what I've learned in the Methadone area, as well as research on the Net, I will keep my daily dose low enough to cover (as well as possible) my pain, and allow me to shoot OC when I can find it. I too know myself well enough to admit I will look for it and use it when I can. It sounds like 'done is much better for that than Subs, so I'm happy about that. And another thing I didn't realize is that you can actually cop a buzz off the 'done for a few hours after taking it every day. That, too is an unexpected surprise.

I know this is o/t, but I was really surprised to read that people are actually using Subs to get off. wtf??? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? I thought both 'done & Subs PREVENTED you from getting a buzz. Anyway. Hope you have a good day!

[2HI2C]

...also...I've been thinking... (and I'll speak for myself!)

It's so easy to justify the use of opiates, and I can pretty much find ANY excuse, and have use 'em all at one time or another, HOWEVER! (you knew this was comin, right :rolleyes:) I've never been pushed to the point of having a breakdown like I have with the pain I live in, every minute of every day.

I've played the drums for as long as I can remember, and was VERY fortunate to fall in with a group of pretty good musicians when I was 17, they were all in their 30's & 40's. Their group was passing through a town the band I was in was playing an outdoor (summer) concert in, and during one of our breaks, they flat out offered me a job (I felt bad that they kicked their (then) current drummer out of the band on the spot!), and I seized the opportunity. A couple of them were heroin addicts, and the rest (including myself) just smoked a lot of pot. One of the guys offered to shoot me up all the time, but I have/had a VERY healthy fear/respect for the needle. That alone was enough to keep me away from trying heroin as a teen.

I hated the needle, but I HATE the pain I live in so much more, that it caused me to cross that line. I've been on opiates for the past 5 years, and could have at any time, given it a try, but I just hate needles.

When my wife first took a look at my arms she was angry, but she later came back just weeping, and all she wanted to do was sit on my lap and hug me. She kept saying, "...you hate needles, you HATE them!" She realized I could no longer cope with this, so much so, that it caused me to cross a line I thought I would never cross, and she really saw how much chronic pain has changed me.

I hate it. I wish I weren't in this position, and I wish I wasn't such a weak-willed personality, but as I told my Dr. I just didn't know what else to do. I want to GET OUT of pain.

So...(and the reason for this post)...I found a 3 week in-patient pain rehabilitation program at one of our facilities here where I live, and I'm going to give it a try. I know I will need to stay on Methadone (or some long-acting base) for the rest of my life, in order to give me SOME type of relief to try and focus on LIVING with chronic pain. My approach all these years has been to ELIMINATE it. I've never had a philosophy of living with pain. I hope I learn the skills to do so.

Anyway...I know there are a number on the forum who live with chronic pain and I wanted to just get that off my chest. I've gotten to the point of utter desperation. No amount of meds I throw at this will make it go away, so I need to have a change of mind, and at least give LIVING with it a try.

[2HI2C]

i used to shoot up vodka and water when i had nothing else
i'm a damn needle freak!

HOLY SHIT Shelley! Now, there's a committment to excellence we seldom find any more... We should start calling you, Ms. Overachiever! :)

[jayemp420]

the needle is addictive....my mouth waters when i think of seeing a nice dark brown liquid (i call em mudshots) in a needle and stickin it in and you can almost hear and feel the "pop" when it gets into the vein, seeing the cloud of red shoot up, then quicky pushin the plunger down and hearing the little 'squirt' when u get to the botom.....then pullin it out and takin off the shoelace/belt/whatever and by the time you doi that and clean out your rig BAM your high as hell.....ahhhh man i need money ahh man im spose to quit ahhhh man this is so hard

[2HI2C]

the needle is addictive....my mouth waters when i think of seeing a nice dark brown liquid (i call em mudshots) in a needle and stickin it in and you can almost hear and feel the "pop" when it gets into the vein, seeing the cloud of red shoot up, then quicky pushin the plunger down and hearing the little 'squirt' when u get to the botom.....then pullin it out and takin off the shoelace/belt/whatever and by the time you doi that and clean out your rig BAM your high as hell.....ahhhh man i need money ahh man im spose to quit ahhhh man this is so hard

See...I LOVE the fact that you guys get it, too! I told my wife, "Over the past two months I've been living for two things...1) when the water in the spoon became clear (i.e. all the OC vanished) & 2) when the blood rushed into the syringe..." Oh man...I can't wait to get home...another 40mg OC waiting as well as 2-15mg b/t meds... ahhhhhhh.....

When I first started shooting I would get a very distinctive POP when I hit the vein, not any more, however.

[Duckfeet]

I just want to say that you *can* escape it. Just takes a lot of willingness and determination...and being honest enough to admit you need help. You maybe can get on methadone for a while, then start a really slow taper. The fast tapers, like 21 day and such, don't seem to have much luck...but I've heard of some success with people who did slow tapers...but also got away from the lifestyle totally. My two lengthy periods of sobriety--five and eight years--were both done by moving, getting away from all my pals, going to AA, and really being comitted to staying sober. Best wishes. It can be done. Just gotta check yer motives and determination, and get whatever help is available...I'm certainly not there now, and don't pretend to be. Life can be tuff and painful, and opiates a good antidote to that...best wishes whichever way u go...

[IceCold]

Dude, you're quitting already? I was on dope for like 2 years before I ever tied to quit (still on dope now). Good luck to you if quitting is what you want to do. What I realzied that I needed to do was control my use and the amount of money I spend on it and I am allright. Different things work for different people.

[2HI2C]

Dude, you're quitting already? I was on dope for like 2 years before I ever tied to quit (still on dope now). Good luck to you if quitting is what you want to do. What I realzied that I needed to do was control my use and the amount of money I spend on it and I am allright. Different things work for different people.

Who, ME? Not if I can help it, I'm not! :) In fact, I'm trying to score for this weekend as I type this...hopefully, the guy will get back to me so I can run out over the lunch hour...FINGERS CROSSED!