Salvia Divinorum 5x

[shaunclo]

I tried this stuff last night, I smoked 1 gram and all I felt was the feeling that someone was tugging on my legs. I assumed that the affect would be stronger and more of an experience, am I wrong. Is it because I needed more or was I just expecting too much from this plant? Any other experiences or tales from the salvia would be greatly appreciated....

[Zoop]

I tried it a while ago and it totally blew me away. Ever done ketamine? It was most like that, but not as good.

I was pretty much out of it for like 10 minutes, but it felt like a lot longer than that. I was ordering kratom from IamShaman all the time and they give you a little baggy of 5X salvia with each order, among other little freebies, so I have a couple of those laying around (threw out all of the rest of my kratom).

Two things, maybe you weren't getting it hot enough. I have read that you gotta get it really hot because the active compound in the plant doesn't fully vaporize until it gets really hot. And the other, maybe you got a hold of some old salvia. I think it goes bad after a few months.

It is a very strong and not-too-fun hallucinogen.

[jacky]

salvia divinorum can have a wide range of effects on people. roughly 1 out of 5 people may not even feel the effects of salvinorin a, the active ingredient in salvia divinorum. This is pretty strange I think.Salvinorin a effects the kappa opioid receptor, and it seems people can experience effects ranging from a vicoden like effect in one person who noted this to me, to uncomfortable sweating, feelings of force or pressure, total full blown hallucinations, mild feelings of euphoria.....dxm/ketamine type of stimulation, all sorts of different effects.

Like Shaunclo I didnt experience much from salvia until I had used it several times, finally ordering a 5x extract I had some very strong experiences. this is after a few weeks of trying the plain leaf, and not experiencing much at all.

I think that THC in cannabis has been found to initially stimulate the kappa opioid receptor. Perhaps reverse tolerance similiar to what people experience with THC is being experienced with salvinorin a?

I noticed that several MU opioid agonists analogs of salvinorin a have just been developed within the last year, the compound has also been used as a design element in several new antideppressants.........

Some people claim that salvinorin a itself may have anti deppressant effects on some people.

I find salvia effects me mostly in a biphasic type of experience....intense and some times uncomfortable in the beginning, with lots of tactile feelings of pressure, and strange thoughts, similiar to THC and dissasociatives......then the experience gives way to euphoria, sedation, analgesia, (sometimes very strong feelings of analgesia in my legs), this lasts for about 30-50 minutes.

[c0g]

Salvia is a strange substance. I think Jacky is right. Of the few times I've done it I've only felt something once, which was very mild euphoria that only lasted for 20 minutes or so, and it took about 8 or 9 packed bowls to do it. The only reason I kept packing bowls is because the power went out late at night and there wasn't anything else to do.
Of course using the extract (5x or 10x) would probably be much more powerful than smoking the plant.

[sage99]

I wasn't impressed with salvia either. I mainly felt the tugging sensation throughout my body. Other than completley forgetting where I was or what I was doing, no awesome visuals or out of body experiance....it was lame.

[zombiewoof23]

Salvia in my experience has been one of the most intense hallucinogens I've ever taken. I have more experience with hallucinogens than anything else. Smoking the actual leaves is the only way I have ingested salvia. Most people never feel much if any of the affects, because it is usually not smoked properly. When you smoke salvia, the key is to smoke as much as possible within 2 minutes. Deepest hits with a bong. Do not pass it around, because you dont have time for that. Just take as many hits as you can take in a row and as deep as you can inhale. Hold the hits for as long as you can. The leaves vary in potency from vendor to vendor, but you will know within 2 hits. I have never had any hard core visuals or left my body on the stuff, like I've read on erowid. But I will say the intensity is there for about 7-10 minutes. I also havent made it past 4 hits with the same ounce that I have had for over a year now. Not the most enjoyable buzz in my opinion, but will rock you if done correctly.

[shaunclo]

Yeah, I read 1 post on erowid that made me want to try it. I think I just was expecting too much.

[skeletontea]

I've only ever used leaves (as opposed to an extract, which is supposed to make all the difference.) So my experience with salvia has been rather mediocre. The experience reminded me of taking two to five P. cyanescens (for an indication of the strength of the experience, a good mushroom dosage for me is about ten fruiting bodies.) But the most predominant sensation was pressure from the back of my eyes, almost as if they were trying to force their way out of the sockets (not what I call pleasurable.)

I'm sure I'll try making an extract at some point (a friend's girlfriend had a particularly intense experience with 15x). Thus far, the most pleasure I've gotten out of my two 5 foot plants is raising them. Its a challenging plant to grow. They have very particular humidity, temperature, light, and watering requirements, and it seems that their reaction to any deviation from their preferred conditions is the same: Leaves turn brown and die, starting from the tip (this could even indicate conditions as broadly ranged as too much, or too little water!) The only other symptom I've noticed is drooping, curling leaves from too low humidity.

Unfortunately, clumsy squirrels smashed 4 lateral branches off of my healthiest plant (which is about to flower for the first time.) They also ate several pumpkins I was going to carve, AND A SAN PEDRO CACTUS I'D BEEN GROWING FOR 3 YEARS!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:
(I love animals, but I kind of hope that those mescaline munching squirrels saw the face of God in the grill of an oncoming truck.)

[Zoop]

Hey Skeletontea, how big were those cacti when the little buggers at them? Ate them up totally? They must have been heads.

I have two little tiny T. bridgesii cacti growing indoors, about 5 months old. They are only about an inch tall. How big were your San Pedro?

[skeletontea]

It was about 11 inches tall. They ate the top entirely (allong with about 3.5 inches). The base was a little screwed up too, so I made two cuttings from the center region.

I say "they" but I suspect a very large grey squirrel who has been hanging out on my back fence.

It was unusual as well, it had the typical short pachanoi spines on the lower two thirds, but this years growth had long heavy spines. It looked like two different cacti fused together in one column.

[psychotiKK]

"to uncomfortable sweating, feelings of force or pressure, total full blown hallucinations"

This is exactly how I felt when I bonged Salvia 20x for my first time. It is easily the strongest drug I have ever tried, and it's LEGAL! I could go on and on about the experience but I rather sum it up in a few words.

SO FUCKED UP

I really did not like it and I am even AFRAID to ever do it again. I don't think you could pay me to try that stuff again. It felt evil..

[sage99]

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I really did not like it and I am even AFRAID to ever do it again. I don't think you could pay me to try that stuff again. It felt evil..
I totally agree with you on this one. So I tried it again last weekend since my first time was so lame, and this time I did as everyone said and took two huge hits.... then all everything went nuts. I ended up doing a freaking the hell out and doing a sumersault into a wall!! Needless to say I got a pretty nasty knot on my head and will never try that crap again!:cool:

[Mild_Man]

I was thinking of trying Salvia but have soon given up seeing as I can't get my hands on a bong of sorts. I don't know anybody or any headshops that would sell it, especially since it's illega paraphernalia and I don't want to take the chance with an online vendor overseas. I've heard you can't let any of the salvia hit go to waste and you have to get atleast 1-2 decent-sized hits in in order for effects to truly come about. I was curious if I could make a decent bong and if this would work but I'm not sure if too much smoke would slip out accidently causing effects to diminish or disappear. Here's the video of how to make one that I'm thinking of doing:

http://www.everyonedoesit.com/videos/files/EDIT_making_a_bong_320x240.mov

Do you guys think this would be suitable enough?

-Thanks for any help

[milky_tears]

Can anyone compare salvia with acid or mescalin, as these are the only halucinogens I've got experience with.

[katomic]

its very weird nothing like 5ht hallucinogens its a bit like dicocative drugs k & dxm but weirder! I found it wasn’t even a nice feeling it also gave my skin a cold prickly feeling like what ever touched it was sooo uncomfortable.
strange visuals too
it should be smoked in a pipe or bong (preverbal home made as it will stain it with is stink!) all at once then lye back if you get the dose then right hold on!
personally its not for me but its worth a try don’t go lower than standardized 5x

[HistoryofMadness]

Ok, bump this thread instead of writing a new one:

Here's my salvia experience - I started off very small, just to be sure I didn't breakthrough unexpectedly, and at first I got nothing. But it was a very small hit.

I did massive amounts of research and learned this is not a 'fun' drug, and shouldn't be used as such. Knowing that helped me a lot with the experiences. By the way, after a few times, I loaned my pipe to a friend, so the last few times were with a can-pipe (yes, the holes punched etc), so its not the pipe that matters.

So I smoked salvia 3 or 4 times, in small doses, increasing the dose a little each time. This process gave me a chance to figure out what to look for, and what to expect. So finally I built up the dosage to the point where I knew I would be feeling it significantly.

Anyway, I put probably 1/4 gram but didn't get all the hit in one time, and lost a lot of smoke, but the general effects were very interesting. My whole body started warming up, and my thoughts kind of jump-started. I had been medititating for a while, so I just calmed myself back down.

I didn't actually breakthrough to the hallucinations yet, mainly because I was more interested in any opiate-like effects. I did get warm, and noticed a slight backache I had earlier had gone away. It was a very calming experience, and somewhat therapeutical.

My next try will be to cross over. I have had good effects,but definitely not 'euphoria' or getting fucked up as we call it. I'll post the experience later. It'll probably happen this weekend.

-H

[exitwound]

i frigging hate salvia with a passion. for most people, there's just no point. either you feel nothing, or you enter a higher-dimensional hell that fries your noodle. neither option interests me.

[caesee]

i frigging hate salvia with a passion. for most people, there's just no point. either you feel nothing, or you enter a higher-dimensional hell that fries your noodle. neither option interests me.

you read my mind..:p

[HistoryofMadness]

You guys may be right, who knows. I still am interested in the warm body buzz and slight pain relief, or maybe distraction, that I experienced. We shall see soon enough.

-H

[Phluck]

I tried this stuff last night, I smoked 1 gram and all I felt was the feeling that someone was tugging on my legs. I assumed that the affect would be stronger and more of an experience, am I wrong. Is it because I needed more or was I just expecting too much from this plant? Any other experiences or tales from the salvia would be greatly appreciated....

People's natural tolerance to salvia varies WILDLY. If it doesn't do much for you, you've got to either make sure you're smoking it properly, or get a stronger extract. You want to be able to take as much as possible in one hit, and you can't use a joint or anything. It lasts a very short time, but it is INTENSE when done properly.

I've taken large doses of a wide variety of psychedelics, and salvia is BY FAR the weirdest and most intense. I've often lost all sense of who, where, or what I was, and found myself becoming different inanimate objects. I remember one time being completely surrounded by, and being a part of a white substance. It took a good 10 minutes until I was even able to figure out that there was anything abnormal about this.

There was also a time that after smoking it, I repeatedly got up, walked across the room, only to find that the room was going on for infinity, and I was still sitting down. I'd get back up, and repeat the process, over and over, never ACTUALLY standing up.

I've had many more detailed bizarre experiences, but it would take too long to explain. Just because you've tried it a few times and didn't get anything exceptional doesn't mean it isn't a powerful drug. It just means you haven't been affected by it fully yet.

[psilocybin]

last time I smoked it I took a bong bowl of 10x in one hit.Exhale the ground becomes forward,I fell forward.I was a story being told and I messed it all up.I was held in the book by zippers.some words where said I split in two right down the middle.then one half proceeded to tell the other the story of my existance.then I started to come down when I was coming back together my dresser was in the way,My head became the dresser.I pulled it out and decided I need to tell everyone this story then I fell asleep and forgot it.I woke up an hour later and went to smoke salvia with everyone.

moral of the story salvia trips on you;)

[poonwhalla]

"to uncomfortable sweating, feelings of force or pressure, total full blown hallucinations"

This is exactly how I felt when I bonged Salvia 20x for my first time. It is easily the strongest drug I have ever tried, and it's LEGAL! I could go on and on about the experience but I rather sum it up in a few words.

SO FUCKED UP

I really did not like it and I am even AFRAID to ever do it again. I don't think you could pay me to try that stuff again. It felt evil..

never worked for me tried over 10 times with a torch yadda yadda. as far as strongest drug ever try DMT psychotikk? to me salvia works like those 3D posters I can't see shit with them neither work for me

[psilocybin]

never worked for me tried over 10 times with a torch yadda yadda. as far as strongest drug ever try DMT psychotikk? to me salvia works like those 3D posters I can't see shit with them neither work for me

I would try a stronger extract if I where you.I would say salvia compares to DMT in the fact that there is complete removal.Give it another shot trust me once you feel it it's worth it.

bouncingbearbotanicals.com has very good extracts at resonable prices and if you do decide to give it another shot try to smoke a full bong bowl in one hit.If you do this with 20x and feel nothing you are GOD:D

[Qwertymkonji]

Don't know how old this thread is that I'm adding to, I found it in search, but I'd like to share a little bit of my salvia experiences.

First time I did it, I smoked some expensive ($40 for one gram) of 5x from a crappy headshop in my area. It didn't do much. Made my throat hurt, though.

Second time was much more different. I had ordered a 5gram (I think it was 5, but who cares) bag of 20x super salvia extract from a vendor that no longer exists. It came with a free 1gram bag of 5x. This was probably to help me cross the barrier into salvialand. So I loaded up my home-made pipe/bong constructed out of a 2-liter soda bottle with a hole cut in the side to breathe through, and a smaller hole cut near the bottom as an air-hole, with some aluminum foil wrapped around the top to construct a bowl of sorts. It was crappy, but it worked well for the time being.

Anyways. I loaded up the bowl with a couple pinches of the 5x and smoked it. Nothing. Felt somewhat weird/heavy in a way. Smoked another bowl. Little more feeling, but not much. I decided to try the 20x. This is where it got weird as fuck. I loaded it up with just a pinch of the 20x, lit it, inhaled and let the whole 2 liter bottle fill up, then I let go of the airhole and inhaled as much as I could. I did this twice and finished the bowl off and what was inside the bottle. Suddenly, I felt myself being grounded, like I was sticking to the ground or gravity was pushing me into the ground. I then became a weird textured fence post and it was if I didn't have arms or legs or anything, I couldn't feel them. All I could feel was what I would feel if I were a fence post. One large post. I had a face though, it seemed. And it seemed sad. I was looking over a pasture and I saw a river diving the pasture and animals on both side, and very green grass. Everything was alive and moving and changing. I then tried to move and I could not move at all. It even somewhat hurt to try to move. Eventually everything kindof mushed together or faded (I can't really remember) and I was back to reality. It was definitely interesting, to say the least. I felt kindof nauseated and VERY VERY sweaty. And cold and prickly feeling. It was unnerving and I didn't really like that part.

The third time, I decided to go upstairs and lay down in the bed, where I might be more comfortable. Got comfortable, did the whole bong thing again twice with double the amount I did before. I felt myself already becoming sweaty and cold and then it hit me harder than ever. It was all around me and it was like the blanket I was under was a canvas for this world, and there were weird cartoon people walking around and talking, hiding behind logs and looking at me, as if I were invading their world. Then a bunch of these weird stickmen type things all in a row started walking toward this weird gear-ish machine with a hole at the top and the bottom left. They would all walk into the top hole and get squished in the gears and thrown around and come out at the bottom left hole. They came out different. It was fucking weird. Then these two guys carrying this giant mirror-type thing walked by. This was like in the movies where you are on the set and people walk by with the different types of walls and glass and stuff. I tried to look away from them and to the left of me were more people hiding behind logs and shit. I then looked at my girlfriend and it seemed as if she wasn't supposed to be there and it made me VERY fucking angry for some reason. I started screaming at her and I could feel sweat pouring off of me. I eventually came to and still felt angry and was balling my fists like I was going to punch her. I knew I wasn't going to but it was like salvia was trying to make me do it. I told her "get the fuck away from me quick and let me fight it off." It eventually pretty much went away and I could no longer see anything but every now and then the blanket would still become a canvas or world. After it completely went away, I was COVERED in sweat. My shirt was drenched. "How is this possible", I thought, "that I'm SO fucking sweaty?" I still don't know why. I figured it was the blanket or something that attributed to it, but it wasn't even that hot in the house.

I was scared for the longest time after that to use it for fear of hurting somebody or myself by becoming that angry again, but eventually I picked it up again about a year later and tried it with some people I was living with at the time. Most of them were up playing their instruments and shit making noise, and one other guy was smoking it with me. He wasn't really feeling anything. Probably just like I did with the 5x. I smoked a couple hits of it, not even that much, as I didn't want it to be too intense. But it was very intense. I was thrown into this kaleidoscope-type world where I was this weird shape flopping around and moving through other shapes. Just like clacking around and flipping over and over. All I could say was "SHUTUP!" "STOP PLAYING" "STOP PLAYING THE MUSIC!!!" I said this over and over and over. It was horrible. They wouldn't stop playing the music. Eventually I arrived outside away from the noise, and somehow came to and the effect went away. It was really unnerving just losing all self control and becoming some weird object. It's actually pretty shitty. It's still interesting though. I'll probably do it every now and then just to experience the different worlds it shows you. They feel very very real and almost MORE real than this world. I felt for the longest time that these worlds actually existed, but I don't really anymore. Well, I don't know what to think. They could be, who knows?

Weird, huh?

[random]

Many people don't ingest it the right way, and think that they got bad/fake stuff or that salvia just doesn't work. It is a very powerful hallucinogen, but you basically need a bong to get the right effects.
My friend had a water pipe and would keep an extra slide/bowl packed so as soon as my friend cleared the first bowl, he'd put the next slide in and smoke another bowl in one hit. Otherwise he wouldn't really get the true experience.
It was not necessarily pleasant, but it put him in a state that lsd did not come close to doing. He liked the fact that it wears off so fast though. He was able to close his eyes and remain in another universe for 10-15 minutes, at which point it would wear off and he could quickly fall asleep.
You really need to smoke it the way he did. My friend tried his best to get these same effects with a regular pipe but it never worked once. He felt nothing.

[satori]

Salvia completely blew me away. Befor i knew much about extracts and salvia doses i put some 10x in a pipe. I couldnt stand, i tried to stand to walk but just fell and stumbled about for a few seconds befor i just decided to lay down. Dots where everywhere and it felt like i was being touched all over my body (not in a good or bad way). Then it turned into a bit of an out of body experience, like i was walking around the room, then after a few minutes the strong effects wore off. Not enjoyable for me but deff. entresting.

[HistoryofMadness]

Many people don't ingest it the right way, and think that they got bad/fake stuff or that salvia just doesn't work. It is a very powerful hallucinogen, but you basically need a bong to get the right effects.
My friend had a water pipe and would keep an extra slide/bowl packed so as soon as my friend cleared the first bowl, he'd put the next slide in and smoke another bowl in one hit. Otherwise he wouldn't really get the true experience.
It was not necessarily pleasant, but it put him in a state that lsd did not come close to doing. He liked the fact that it wears off so fast though. He was able to close his eyes and remain in another universe for 10-15 minutes, at which point it would wear off and he could quickly fall asleep.
You really need to smoke it the way he did. My friend tried his best to get these same effects with a regular pipe but it never worked once. He felt nothing.

SWIM made his first 'pipe' for salvia from a half-crushed coke can... of course SWIM and his friends trained in special operations school with MacGuyver to master the art of pipery... its amazing what you can make a pipe out of, SWIM says, and says macguyver actually said that too...

SWIM could get off on salvia with a pencil eraser, a mirror, a hemp necklace, and 4 moonpies if he wanted to; just gotta know how.

[SirDonkeyPunch]

SWIM made his first 'pipe' for salvia from a half-crushed coke can... of course SWIM and his friends trained in special operations school with MacGuyver to master the art of pipery... its amazing what you can make a pipe out of, SWIM says, and says macguyver actually said that too...

SWIM could get off on salvia with a pencil eraser, a mirror, a hemp necklace, and 4 moonpies if he wanted to; just gotta know how.

Holy hell! I went to pipery school too, what GPA did u grad with?

I prefer in a bind to use a candle, an altoids can, a drill bit, and some pancake batter.

[Opiyum]

Me no science think good good but I think this PDF is talking about a MU Kappa agonist property of Salvia that can be extracted.....

Anyhow it relates to the topic of the thread....YAY for me!

http://www.sagewisdom.org/carlezonetal.pdf#search=%22Plants%20containing%20M u%20Kappa%20Agonists%22

[jae]

Salvia. yes. I smoked a large bowl, no more than .5 grams, with my friend and I felt like a fucking beautiful spider was crawling over my brain, a spider with a ton of colors and a general awesome feeling. My friend, however, started asking where he was and had a generally horrible time and will never do it again. so who know, eh?

[Seedy]

The one time I tried the 5x salvia I was sitting back on a couch, had a few big hits, and felt a sudden force pulling me backwards out of reality. I've had some huge doses of acid & psylocybin and never experienced anything this forceful. It scared the crap out of me so I did my best to resist leaving my mind. I had to stand up so I started walking around the room, which was looking pretty distorted & fucked up. I felt like a robot or something, moving felt pretty crazy. After this I was left with a horrible prickly sensation all over my body for about 10 mins and an unpleasant slight dislocation from reality. Not too enjoyable, really.

I hear if you take it on mdma you are too happy to worry about the negative effects and it can be quite enjoyable. I'd say the same would be true while taking it on a good dose of opiates or benzo's. My best times on psychadelics have been when mixed with other drugs. Mushrooms & Valium is probably the best drug experience I've ever had, equal with my best times on E when it still worked. It allows you to enjoy the hallucinations & physical effect of the mushies, and surprisingly exhibited the super-happy-nothing-could-possibly-go-wrong qualitys of MDMA (before I over abused it).... Highly recomended!:D