Acetyldihydrocodeinone / Thebacon

[Hydro-Joe]

Does anyone know of a source (on-line or otherwise) in the conversion of hydrocodone into Acetyldihydrocodeinone (Thebacon)?

:speechles

[Mild_Man]

Does anyone know of a source (on-line or otherwise) in the conversion of hydrocodone into Acetyldihydrocodeinone (Thebacon)?

:speechles

Yeah, I'd like some info also if available.

[asaqwert]

oh my god

i can't believe the amount of misinformation that gets spread; you got "thebacon" from some other thread not 3 weeks ago, i'm pretty sure, no?

"thebacon" is actually called "thebaine" and it is an alkaloid found in poppies. it has no known pharmalogical value itself, although it is supposedly active in some other animals, and in humans it hasn't really been studied all too much. it is used to make hydrocodone and other drugs (oxycodone can be made from it)

now, acetylcodeine is simply codeine which has been acetylated (normally it gets cuaght up in with the morphine while making heroin, and is a byproduct. in any significant quantity, it is not good for you (i.e. poisonous afaik) and will not get you high

"thebacon" or thebaine as it is known in the real world, is much different, although netiherw ill get you high, than acetylcodeine (or acetylcodeinone, if it exists, i forget although i'm pretty sure its just acetylcodeine)

[katomic]

"thebacon" is actually called "thebaine" and it is an alkaloid found in poppies. it has no known pharmalogical value itself, although it is supposedly active in some other animals, and in humans it hasn't really been studied all too much. it is used to make hydrocodone and other drugs (oxycodone can be made from it)

Actualley asaqwert thebacon does exists the chem formula is C20H23NO4
cas number 466-90-0

its not really prescribed anymore its a old drug as far as i know

[jacky]

try taking pure thebaine to find out, that is really the only way of confirming that it is or isnt active. if primates are metabolizing this material into a more active opiate then there is a good chance that the human pharmacology is similiar

just looked up the information in Otto Snows book "OXY".

appears the the active metabolite of thebaine in the rhesus monkey is oripavine, they also state that other opium alkaloids potentially could be metabolized into oripavine as well.

"the findings in this study apply to animals; whether or not they would apply to humans requires further study. From the monkey studies it would appear that large doses of thebaine are necessary to produce dependence. It is UNLIKELY that comparable dosescould be given to humans experimentally or would be self-administered (want to bet?) in an abuse situation."
from the dependence potential of thebaine: report of a WHO advisory group.

metabolites of thebaine are listed as oripavine, nororipavine, and codeine
the same report states that oripavine "may become available in the future as a theraputic agent or a substance of abuse"

they also state "that thebaine has a meaningful dependence potential both physical and phychological, when large doses are ingested over a certian period in the rhesus monkey"

seems that "in the real world" thebacon has about 100 or more synonyms associated with it.

personally I think that thebaine may be active, as a "longtime" consumer of "opium" and "opium" containing products, poppy seeds, and poppy pods, I have noticed some strange, and sometimes painful stimulating effects initially when taking the product. then later the stimulation gives way to sometimes very intense analgesia and euphoria. one batch of poppy seeds was so damn potent, and my tolerance was very high at this point as well, that I figured that oripavine might be a possible candidate for consideration of part of the cause of such an intense potency. I was bedridden a few days from these seeds till I cut my dose. that 10 pound box lasted around 2 weeks, compared to a 10 pound box maybe lasting a week, more like 5 days.

but until i get my hands on some pure, or mostly pure thebaine, I will never know I guess. at least until some reliable data comes in. a person might raise papaver bracteatum , as that plant can produce alkaloids that may contain up to 50% thebaine.
thebaine is also referred to as paramorphine

[exitwound]

i definitely concur, jacky! you make some excellent points about the lesser-known opium alkaloids and their potential effects.

[illchemist]

Yes, yes... thebacon (the bacon... :D) is a drug and it does look like acetylated hydro. It sounds interesting and it probably crosses the bloood brain barrier a lot more readily than hydro.

Thebacon can be synthesized by simply boiling (refluxing) hydro freebase in acetic anhydride, preferably with a base of some sort present in solution (triethylamine, pyridine). You better make sure all volatiles are removed and you should perform an acid-base extraction on the product. Liberate the free base, filter and make the hydrochloride salt.