A Salvia Forum?

[Hammilton]

Hey, I was just wondering why we don't have a Salvia forum here? I don't mean to ask the mods to do more work, it's just that I think of all the possible forums to create here, a Salvia Divinorin forum seems to make the most sense- even more so than the Kratom forum. Well, maybe not more so than the Kratom forum, but I mean, Salvia has a well understood opiate mode of action. I haven't even seen a study on the binding affinity of Mytraginine.

If needed I could donate my time to it, I suppose.

Salvia really lacks the grass-roots experimenting that Kratom and Pods had/have, and it's an infinitely more interesting compound. Don't confuse that with fun- I'm not saying that Salvia is a fun compound, or anything of the sort, but we can't even say what sort of effects it produces- outside of a blanket "hallucinogen" label, we don't know if we should call it a dissociative or what.

Maybe I'm ranting because I'm manic and bored, I'm sorry.

I'm thinking about buying a half ounce of a tincture (one has 44mg/oz of salvinorin A- wow) but I can't find hardly anything about how the effects are modified by using it that way.

If I want to know how eating my pot compares to smoking it (hypothetically here), I'd be inundated with knowledge and opinions. Not so with Sally D, which I think is far more deserving as a sacrament and "psychedelic"

maybe it's all the PCP my doc's claim I've been smoking. LOL. I was so pissed about that, I called my mom up bawling about how the nurse and the doc were telling jokes at my expense just outside the door about the kid who's wasting their time while high on PCP. I thought they were talking about someone else at first- then I got the test results. MOtherfuckers!

I talked to a lawyer briefly today. She's really nice and is going to see what she can do. No interest in court, I don't think, just getting a few grand and an apology. She says that unless something happens between today and next wednesday when she meets with her bosses (she's junior partner or something, not full) this'll go ahead.

I guess they like to do some Civil Rights sorts of cases, and I suppose me being a clean-cut, decently atrtractive tall white-guy of western-european descent makes me an even more ideal client. She says the fact that I used pot in the past isn't a big deal at all- but because I told those doctors all doctors, actually, that when I went to rehab and said I was an addict, I was lying so I could get suboxone to kick methadone easier, that's how hard it really is to get off the painkillers I was 'forced' to be dependent on- iatrogenicly (sp?). I think she was exaggerating some of this shit beyond belief, but what do I know?

[jacky]

well, I think part of this is because we have a section for opiates/opioids found in nature, and because there are so many active partial and full agonist/antagonist types of organic materials being researched lately, we can just post salvia divinorum and other related material in the opioid in nature forum and or the bleeding edge.

but maybe we should vote on this subject, and see what the PEOPLE say?

[Hammilton]

the people the people!

btw, jackie- do you know if Salvia will be active if I'm taking Buprenorphine? It's a mu-agonist/kappa-antagonist right? I know i've smoked some while on it and received muted effects compared to what I expected, but meh.

You have any experience with tinctures, jackie?

[Sitar]

Salvia has a well understood opiate mode of action.

No it doesn't. Did you mean to say that?

[chemboy7]

Salvia is a pretty horrible recreational drug; you don't enjoy it you endour it... I say nay on the Salvia sub forum.

[Woowoo]

This is a forum for junkies and similar opiate-addicts. It's not an all-purpose drug forum. If we have a salvia forum, then I guess we gotta have an LSD forum, a marijuana forum, pretty soon 15 year old kids sign-up to discuss how to roll the best blunts, where does it end?

I hate to sound like the wet blanket here, but I vote "no" for the salvia forum.

[Hammilton]

Sitar- I did mean to say that, but taken as is, it sounds as if I'm claiming more for it than I really am. What I was saying is that Salvinorin-A's mode of action- Kappa-Opioid Agonism- is understood. There have been studies that've shown that by administering a Kappa-Opioid Antagonist salvinorin-A's effects are blocked. I don't mean to say that there can't be more to it, but today we have a pretty good idea about how it works. There can definitely be surprises, though, just now it doesn't seem too likely. As far as mode of action-understanding goes, it's gotta be up there with D-9-THC and the Dissociatives.

We have people signing up to discuss the best blunts as it is. They don't last long, fortunately. I'd argue that by not including a Salvia forum- which is undoubtedly an opioid-agonist- would actually do more toward reducing (or simply stagnating) the overall level of discussion here than anything else. We have in Salvia Divinorin the most interesting opioid-receptor agonists ever discovered- the only non-nitrogenous one ever- that's legal, very common and is generating great research- ie- new, academic information.

Having a Salvia forum doesn't justify having any of those other forums. A Salvia forum would be a better fit here than some forums that presently exist. The Benzo forum, anyone? If non-narcotic opioid-receptor agonists aren't justified having a presence here, then that Dextromethorphan forum really has to go.

The "main" forums here are some of the least interesting ones that we have. Aside from one of the heroin subforums, the forums relating to the pharmaceuticals (including morphine and methadone) and pods, primarily serve one purpose- harm reduction. That's a great purpose; I'd never argue against it, these forums have definite purpose, but they don't particularly do anything to raise the level of discourse here since your argument is based around the idea that a Salvia forum will pave the road toward a loss of focus and ultimately lowering the standard of discourse present here. I mean, how does "what's the best way to brown morphine" or "will combining morphine with hydrocodone make me higher?" differ much from a thread on the proper blunt-rolling forum?

It doesn't, and the argument that Salvia is an "other drug" only, unrelated to opioids or that a Salvia forum will do these things is completely erroneous. We need more members interested in the more academically challenging areas of opiophile-dom. The members only interested in how to get high best are fine, and I have nothing against them, but to use the dumbing down of the forum as an argument against a Salvia-specific forum is just silly, when it'll almost certainly do the exact opposite, the way the Kratom, Ibogaine and "Bleeding-Edge" forums have.

[Chemical_Boy]

No it doesn't. Did you mean to say that?

It is an agonist and binds to the kappa receptors.