phony scrips / what's your stance on "the law?"

[Zoops]

Hey what's up opiophiles.

I just wanna know if anyone has ever been arrested and charged with makin phony phone calls to a pharmacy and making believe that they are a physician prescribing controlled substances. Or if anyone knows of somebody who did that and what happened?

Do you have to actually take possession of the drug to be arrested for that, or is just making the telephone call enough? Like attempting to illegally obtain the drugs. I think the answer is "yes" and I just answered my own question. I am sure laws are different from state to state.

This post is a two-fer.

The other topic is what is your views on the laws concerning drugs and guns. This could pertain to what you think about drug prohibition and what you think about the right to keep and bear arms (or do you NOT think that it should be a "right").

Myself, with respect to guns and drugs (this topic could get waaaay too hot, so keep it limited to just guns and drugs), I think most drugs should be legalized, with varying degrees of control. Marijuana and alcohol should be available to anyone of legal age (21 , maybe it should be dropped to 18) and you should be allowed to produce it in the home, to a certain point. It is legal to brew beer, make wine, distill liquor in one's home, up to a point, and you need a special license to be a "manufacturer" if you're making and selling the stuff in any appreciable quantity. Same should hold true for marijuana.

Opiates, and all those tranquilzers and stimulants that require a Rx should be available without a scrip. Certain drugs I think you should have to sign a register for, but you can legally buy it for any purpose, doesn't have to be a legitimate medical need for it. Cocaine and methamphetamine I think should pretty much remain illegal to possess.

Guns, I think there shouldn't be any laws owning them either - concealed weapons, except like in a courtroom, or courthouse, should be allowed too.

?

[flipside]

Well you can only call in Shed III substances. Sched II has to be handwritten and delivered to the pharm. Can't fax them either. Many years ago I used to call in scripts for Percs Benzo's..of course I was working in a hospital and called them in like they were for a patient being DC'd/ , or for the doctor whose office i was working par time in. Never got caught..but not something I would reccomend. You have to have the Dr's DEA number and eventually those scripts will find their way back to the RXing Dr.
When wroking as a Pharm tech I used to copy DEA numbers and had acsess to RX scripts..busted quite a few of them also. Again this was many many years go. not something I would attempt today under any circumstances.

As for the legalization of certain drugs..nice fantasy. Not gonna happen in my lifetime or my children's either. If ever..and that's probably the case. Never happen.

I'm not getting into the gun debate. It's bound to end poorly.

[ProdigalSon]

Im all for gun control, and Im a dang militant ive been told. Lots of morons out there nowadays

[jacky]

fake scripts.........

my old school, gay boy, junky gentleman opiophile mentor got his third prescription fraud felony, got sentenced to prison, and killed himself with a hotshot and some booze before intake.
he gave his freind an analgesic shot with dope to put him out, and then called an ambulance to come and get him, so that he couldnt stop my mentor from killing himself.
my buddy then killed himself with his favorite drugs, and they found him sitting on the toilet, with his head in the trash.
supposedly a book was on the bed that was titled "premonition of a dead man", but I havnt been able to source a book with that title so far, so I dont know if that was quite true.
my buddy got caught, he was getting sketchy, and so he decided to run for the doors at the supermarket/pharmacy...he might have made it out into the parkinglot and into the car waiting, but he wore nice shoes and a suit to get his scripts, and the shoes had bad soles, and it was winter, and there was water in front of the doors, and basically he ate shit into the doors and layed there in pain long enough to get caught.
sorta a funny scenario at the time, he had us hollering with laughter describing the escapade.
but laughter turns to sorrow pretty quick when you hear that another one of your freinds is dead.

anyway, this guy had gay doctor freinds, old men, that would trade sex for scripts. they also taught him all the secret language/script that they new.
so he was pretty well versed in prescription fraud.
now this guy got away with what he did for YEARS, decades, but in the end, he got served.
being a rich, gay man, he didnt want to face prison, extortion, and such.

he taught some tricks to a freind of mine.
she had a dentist near where I worked at a fancy restaurant. she stole a bunch of prescription pads from the guy.
months/a year later, this dentist poked his head into the kitchen whilst I was working, and asked if I was who he thought, I didnt know who the hell he was, figured a freind of the family or such.
after he confirmed my identity, he told me to "FUCK OFF", and sayed that he was not going to get involved with detectives, cause he didnt want to lose his dentistry license over a couple of junkys, ends up she signed my name to a shitload of forged prescriptions.
now I dont feel so bad for TRYING to get her to suck my dick one day.
ha ha.

I was too scared to try prescription fraud myself. I would rather lay dope sick and get dope eventually than end up kicking in jail.

but some people were good at that shit, its an art really.

[nick]

1.Don't fuck with scripts..........it ain't worth it.

2.Guns suck.Why would I want to own something to hurt someone?

3.Legalisation will happen in our lifetimes(providing we're lucky) sheer weight of numbers will eventually change the law.It's all about $$$$ folks.

[youwonhundred]

1.Don't fuck with scripts..........it ain't worth it.

2.Guns suck.Why would I want to own something to hurt someone?

3.Legalisation will happen in our lifetimes(providing we're lucky) sheer weight of numbers will eventually change the law.It's all about $$$$ folks.

Nick, you should be president over here man... You are wise well beyond your years.

And a right cool fella, for a brit!:p

(joking, some of the nicest people I know are english)

[Opilover]

Here the Drs. offices are allowed to call in like vics & 7.5 vics,I've thought about trying it then the thought of my luck and getting caught always scared me away from it,getting the Drs. dea # isn't hard if kinda look around behind the desk of the receptionist (sp?) I've seen it there in most offices I've been in.I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND trying it though cause like someone said in this thread the scripts do get back to the Dr. and once busted not only will you be arrested it will also put the red flags up as a drug seeker and then when you do need pain meds or anything else a scheduled drug you might as well forget it......

[stormyskier]

Yeah, I called in my own "scripts" and got busted. I didn't even get the pills, they got me walking up to the pharm. counter and when I suspected something I said forget it and went to leave and the cop got me at the door. I spent three days in jail and now in wonderful drug court for the next 6 months. When I finish drug court the felony will be dropped so my record will be clean again.

[Mcdom]

fake scripts.........

my old school, gay boy, junky gentleman opiophile mentor got his third prescription fraud felony, got sentenced to prison, and killed himself with a hotshot and some booze before intake.
he gave his freind an analgesic shot with dope to put him out, and then called an ambulance to come and get him, so that he couldnt stop my mentor from killing himself.
my buddy then killed himself with his favorite drugs, and they found him sitting on the toilet, with his head in the trash.
supposedly a book was on the bed that was titled "premonition of a dead man", but I havnt been able to source a book with that title so far, so I dont know if that was quite true.
my buddy got caught, he was getting sketchy, and so he decided to run for the doors at the supermarket/pharmacy...he might have made it out into the parkinglot and into the car waiting, but he wore nice shoes and a suit to get his scripts, and the shoes had bad soles, and it was winter, and there was water in front of the doors, and basically he ate shit into the doors and layed there in pain long enough to get caught.
sorta a funny scenario at the time, he had us hollering with laughter describing the escapade.
but laughter turns to sorrow pretty quick when you hear that another one of your freinds is dead.

anyway, this guy had gay doctor freinds, old men, that would trade sex for scripts. they also taught him all the secret language/script that they new.
so he was pretty well versed in prescription fraud.
now this guy got away with what he did for YEARS, decades, but in the end, he got served.
being a rich, gay man, he didnt want to face prison, extortion, and such.

he taught some tricks to a freind of mine.
she had a dentist near where I worked at a fancy restaurant. she stole a bunch of prescription pads from the guy.
months/a year later, this dentist poked his head into the kitchen whilst I was working, and asked if I was who he thought, I didnt know who the hell he was, figured a freind of the family or such.
after he confirmed my identity, he told me to "FUCK OFF", and sayed that he was not going to get involved with detectives, cause he didnt want to lose his dentistry license over a couple of junkys, ends up she signed my name to a shitload of forged prescriptions.
now I dont feel so bad for TRYING to get her to suck my dick one day.
ha ha.

I was too scared to try prescription fraud myself. I would rather lay dope sick and get dope eventually than end up kicking in jail.

but some people were good at that shit, its an art really.

Jacky - What a sad story. Very moving - how many people die like this because of barbaric and insane drug laws? Sounds like he was an interesting, compassionate, intelligent friend.

My heart goes out to your friend and you and those who loved him ....

[aj11]

one of my girlfriends wrote out a fake script of Lortab 10's and almost got away with it, but the quantity wasn't in Latin and they caught her. It is a felony, but that isn't the shitty part. She is a chronic pain suffer only 31 and has had 10 operations on her back and spine, don't know her diagnosis. But now since she wrote that scrpit she is completly fucked by all the doctors and the only 2 pain managment clinics down here want nothing to do with her, so she is forced to come to me to find oxy's and vicodin and shit, so be carefull all you out there
I ask her if you write a fake script might as well make it for atleast a schedule 2 narcotic ya know

[Zoops]

I know a dude who has done this recently and everything seems to have gone o.k. He is worried that they are planning his execution in secret though. Like the federal agents could come and bang on the front door any day, likely at about 3:00am. This guy, my friend, did it a couple times back about 18months ago and it was fine. This time he got sort of carried away with it.

Yeah, I was just wondering. From what I heard, you have to be busted when actually picking up the drugs in order for it to be an open-and-shut case. At least in this dude's home state you do.

[halo in reverse]

[QUOTE][they also taught him all the secret language/script that they new.
so he was pretty well versed in prescription fraud.
/QUOTE]

In Nuclear Medicine School we took a class called Pharm. Terminology. So I know "the secret language" I will post it for anyone interested. I'm not stupid enough to try to write out a fake script, but I bet you can call them in and get away with it. I still woudn't do it because it would cost me my job (too many years of hell to get it). The Dr.'s have CNA's call Schedule 3 and higher scripts in all the time and they got their Certificates at community College with only 3 months of school and a high school deploma. As was said earlier Sched. II scripts need to be on papaer and walked in. Most Dr.'s also photocopy the scripts before they allow them out of the office as well.

Recently I have had access to full syringes of Sublimaze? and Midalprozalam? but I didn't know what the heck they were so I threw them in the sharps bin. I know they are Schedule 2 or 3 though because the nurse in the OR used the Pyxis to pull them.


Halo

[Zoops]

Knowing the lingo is definitely required, and you don't have to know too much, but that only gets your foot in the door. the druggist can always call the office back to verify. Problem is that you don't know if they did or not, if you're using a real doctor's info. They can get the whole thing all prepared, and have a plainclothes cop waiting for you when you go to pick it up.

If you do a variation on this scam, and make up a NEW doctor, new phone number and doctor name and shit, then they will wonder about it because it won't be in the (extensive, in many cases, country-wide) listing of prescribers they have. Might run into trouble doing it that way too.

[ILLWILLMD]

"SWIM" got a script pad from a dr. that worked at a local detox he went to one day. Them when they left forged about 40 scripts, successfully. One day they went to a local hosp ER. to get into detox. The doc told them that he would call in for them to go to the same detox. Swim told the doc that they wouldn’t take them back cuz they herd that they were self-medicating there. Witch was true. But they fell asleep on the examination table and awoke to a detective asking them to come down to the station about some forged scripts. So they obliged, wanting to find out what they had on them. At the station they produced pictures from the cam at the pharmacy. They had a hoodie on and you could only see their chin. The detective said, this is you isn’t it. Swim said no. bla bla bla. Ended walking out with a "if i catch you j walking ill ass rape you’re mother" type comment from the detective. Nothing was ever done. The last script they went to get, the pharmacist took a bit to long to produce the med, and swim got the message and bounced the fuck up and out of there. Plus on top of it all, they also caught someone whom swim gave a couple of blank scripts with the Latin lingo written on another piece of paper. And they spilled swims name to the cops. So even with all that stacked against them. They still have not heard anything about it again. The cops were apparently more interested in getting the rest of the book back."Yea right, they would have booked swim on the spot, had they given them that." i laugh every time i think bout it. By the way, swim didnt end up getting into that detox like they said to the doc from the beginning. Or another detox for that matter. The doc whose scripts they where, also named swim as the most likely suspect. I mean, how many people talk to the doc with Latin abbreviations. So it was pretty damn clear who did it.

By the way, this was a dream i had about three weeks ago.

[Skript]

I been sitting on a stack of blank scripts for a while now, just dont got the balls to use em..I know how to write em up but I havent found anyone stupid enuf to fill em yet..

But I agree with ya Zoop... All that good stuff should be legal!! But we'll never see that day...

[ProdigalSon]

I been sitting on a stack of blank scripts for a while now, just dont got the balls to use em..I know how to write em up but I havent found anyone stupid enuf to fill em yet..

But I agree with ya Zoop... All that good stuff should be legal!! But we'll never see that day...

DO NOT get caught with that shit in our "Wonderful" state bro. No joke it aint peanuts here in the eye of the law

[Skript]

DO NOT get caught with that shit in our "Wonderful" state bro. No joke it aint peanuts here in the eye of the law

Did I say me? I meant SWIM.. Hes a lot of trouble I hear...
I hear ya bro..

[Zoops]

What state is the wonderful state? Michigan? Mine's not a state, it's a "Commonwealth."

[CSiiSEQ]

Another problem now with call-ins is caller ID! It's not that rare for businesses to have it, so no matter ho good you have the talk down, you have to get around this too!

[shopnpop]

So say you called a pharmacy that you KNOW has caller ID. You spoof the caller ID to display the number of the clinic/whatever, and then call the script in. would that work?

[pharmboy]

The only time Swim called in his own script he went to the hospital and ducked in
an empty waiting room that had a phone, hit 9 to get outside line and called the
pharm. Said he was dr so and so, callin in 60 ten mg. Valium for so and so, and
my D.E.A. No. is so and so. Swim was real worried about caller ID.
Everything went fine even got a refill.
Another scam swim did was callin automatic refill line at nite on a script swim knew
did'nt have a refill ...but called it three or four times in rapid sucsession and the
last call let swim refill it. swim did that a couple of times.

What fun eaa?;)

[Skript]

The only time Swim called in his own script he went to the hospital and ducked in
an empty waiting room that had a phone, hit 9 to get outside line and called the
pharm. Said he was dr so and so, callin in 60 ten mg. Valium for so and so, and
my D.E.A. No. is so and so. Swim was real worried about caller ID.
Everything went fine even got a refill.
Another scam swim did was callin automatic refill line at nite on a script swim knew
did'nt have a refill ...but called it three or four times in rapid sucsession and the
last call let swim refill it. swim did that a couple of times.

What fun eaa?;)


Pure genious.... Ive always wanted to alter the refill amount on my scripts..

[NastyZilla]

Well you can only call in Shed III substances. Sched II has to be handwritten and delivered to the pharm. Can't fax them either. Many years ago I used to call in scripts for Percs Benzo's..of course I was working in a hospital and called them in like they were for a patient being DC'd/ , or for the doctor whose office i was working par time in. Never got caught..but not something I would reccomend. You have to have the Dr's DEA number and eventually those scripts will find their way back to the RXing Dr.
When wroking as a Pharm tech I used to copy DEA numbers and had acsess to RX scripts..busted quite a few of them also. Again this was many many years go. not something I would attempt today under any circumstances.

As for the legalization of certain drugs..nice fantasy. Not gonna happen in my lifetime or my children's either. If ever..and that's probably the case. Never happen.

I'm not getting into the gun debate. It's bound to end poorly.

OMG... Flip, I knew I had a special place in my heart for you...and now I know why... You're my mother!! Just kidding, you're not old enough to be my mom, but this is exactly what she did during her years working in doctor's offices. You HAVE to have the DEA number, and it has to match a real doctor. In her home state, the Medical Board published a list of the physicians and their DEA numbers that they ONLY gave to doctors. Making up a number won't work.

BTW, my mom was caught twice. First time was by the doc, she got fired and was told they'd call the police if it ever happened again. Second time, the police were waiting outside the pharmacy to pick her up. Unfortunately, I was with her at the time (I was a kid). Addicts fuck their kids up with that stuff, but I guess we all live in denial that we'll be caught... otherwise, I guess we'd live in one constant state of Major Panic Attack. Seeing my mom get arrested stuck with me for years... always wondering if she'd do it again, and go away "forever". Shame I thought I was too smart to fall victim to the same addiction that caused her to empty her children's bank accounts and break the law.

Here's the real question ... Zoops, considering how easy it is to use online pharmacies these days, even the ones requiring "records", why would your friend - or anyone - call scripts in these days? Sounds very stupid to me. My mom did that stuff way back before the Internet existed.. she switched to ROPs before she ended up with a pain mgmt doc.

**Edit - I worked for a neurologist in college. The doctor wrote an obvious drug seeker a script for a measly 10 vicodin. The script was written in black ink. The dimwitted twit who got the script ADDED A ZERO TO THE TEN IN BLUE INK! The pharmacist called the police, who called the doctor... it took five minutes for the doctor to stop laughing long enough to tell the office staff what happened.

[Euphoricgirl]

Pure genious.... Ive always wanted to alter the refill amount on my scripts..

My advice is don't do it. I did it. Got caught and paid dearly love.:(

[flipside]

[quote=NastyZilla;146143]OMG...

Shame I thought I was too smart to fall victim to the same addiction that caused her to empty her children's bank accounts and break the law.

quote]

Sweetie,surely you are smart enough to realize it has nothing to do with being too smart to fall into adiction.

After watching by brother struggle with his H addcition for years and end up a murder victim a a direct result..I though I was too smart also to ever go down that road... and my son who watched me for years..swore he would never be that stupid..after seeing what it had done to me..now has his own full blown H addiction.

I don't pretend to have any answer as to why..all I do know is it has nothing to do with intelligence.

Sorry to go OT

[NastyZilla]

[quote=NastyZilla;146143]OMG...

Shame I thought I was too smart to fall victim to the same addiction that caused her to empty her children's bank accounts and break the law.

quote]

Sweetie,surely you are smart enough to realize it has nothing to do with being too smart to fall into adiction.

After watching by brother struggle with his H addcition for years and end up a murder victim a a direct result..I though I was too smart also to ever go down that road... and my son who watched me for years..swore he would never be that stupid..after seeing what it had done to me..now has his own full blown H addiction.

I don't pretend to have any answer as to why..all I do know is it has nothing to do with intelligence.

Sorry to go OT


Thank you, Flip, for the support. Gosh, I'm so sorry about your brother! It leaves a hole in the heart forever. I remember what it was like to watch my mom c/t that first time, and then later to get arrested (and c/t again), and I wonder how I ever let it happen to me. She did the same thing... watched her mom OD several times, then got addicted herself years later. It's just that hindsight is 20/20. I look back, and realize that if I just hadn't tried the pills, just stuck with the advil and suffered... oh, well. Can't go back! I look at all the drug addicts and alcoholics in my family - in so many of our families - and I realize that the only responsible approach is just to never touch the stuff, which is easier said than done. The first time I got addicted, I can say I honestly didn't know how easy it would be to become physically and mentally addicted.

I wonder what the statistics are for "functional" and "professional" addicts - you know, doctors, nurses, lawyers, MBAs, business owners, folks who lead busy lives but who use every day. I look around my office sometimes, and wonder if I'm the only one... somehow, I doubt it.

Sorry for the off topicness, everyone.:p

[Skript]

I wonder what the statistics are for "functional" and "professional" addicts - you know, doctors, nurses, lawyers, MBAs, business owners, folks who lead busy lives but who use every day. I look around my office sometimes, and wonder if I'm the only one... somehow, I doubt it.


Yea, Im curious of the same thing. Back when one of my old friends was selling cocaine, he had a pretty good sized clientel. He was selling to hookers, shop workers, attorneys, GM execs and eventually the police before the fun was all over.. But it was wild to see these guys come out to this trashy house and score.

I think theirs more people out there using than we think.

[IceCold]

Phony scrips are dangerous but doable. You just have to know what you are doing.

[BeantownJunkTank]

I got arrested for a fake prescription, I had outstanding warrents on other charges which I had to serve 18 months in the friendly neighborhood House Of Correction when they took me to trial for the script charge they gave me 6 months but ran the time concurrent with the 18 months I already had been serving.

[roxi*stardust]

Usually they will charge you will felony forgery or prescription fraud. A person I know just got caught changing a script from a dentist. It was her 2nd drug offense and the DA dropped the charges down from 2 felonies to 2 misdemeanors. She served 30 days in county lock-up and is on 2 years state probation. She got off with a slap on the wrist.

[Woowoo]

I had a friend in college who was pulling a script scam for dilaudids. It started off when he simply grabbed a doctor's prescription pad, but later his scam became more sophisticated. He actually had a printer make up a prescription pad (he went to some dirt-poor printer in the ghettos of Atlanta for that job) and then the phone # on the prescription pad was ... get this... the PAYPHONE outside his house. So his friend would wait by the phone while he went to try to push his scripts, and if the pharmacy called for confirmation SWIM would pick up the phone and try to handle the call.

I know it sounds crazy, and I guess it was, because he ended up in prison for this.

And to top it off, at one time he must have been doing 20 K4's a day, back in days when Knoll made them, and you've never seen a bigger wreck of a human being than he was at that time.

I strongly advise against this little plot. It's fun to dream, but it the end it will be nothing but pain and regret.

[OhJoy]

Yeah, I called in my own "scripts" and got busted. I didn't even get the pills, they got me walking up to the pharm. counter and when I suspected something I said forget it and went to leave and the cop got me at the door. I spent three days in jail and now in wonderful drug court for the next 6 months. When I finish drug court the felony will be dropped so my record will be clean again.


With all these stories, it hardly sounds worth it. kicking in jail sounds like the worst.

[WarmCyanide]

scripts ive taken to the pharmacist gets scanned into a computer. what happens after that who knows.


as far as guns.... if someone breaks into my house.

it takes too long for law enforcement to arrive if someone is already in my house.

i rely on number one.

i guarantee you the person standing at the foot of my bed is not holding a butter knife.

outlaw guns here, only outlaws will have guns. black market.

[Woowoo]

The other topic is what is your views on the laws concerning drugs and guns. This could pertain to what you think about drug prohibition and what you think about the right to keep and bear arms (or do you NOT think that it should be a "right").
They are necessary in order to be free. People can argue about whether crime statistics go up, go down, whether little kiddies blow their brains out, whether they misfire and accidentally kill somebody, yadda yadda yadda, but the bottom line is, without guns there is no freedom. So I'll take freedom and all the potential problems that may or may not come with it.

Somebody is reading this thinking something such as "Well what about the UK where guns are all-but illegal? Or Australia which recently outlawed gun possession? Are these nations not free?" No, they're not. They are slaves, who--for now at least--have a very kind and gentle master. I hope to God that their citizens achieve freedom before the slavemasters really tighten the yokes.

[kyuss]

you better have balls
made of steel
and an ass to match
to forge these days

and I'm all for gun ownership
cos the bad guys will always
have guns regardless