Meth vs. Crack

[euphoria2002]

Now I'm wondering how the two compare in terms of cost, length of high, potency of experience etc. If there are any of you opiophiles who have tried both drugs, share your opinions here.

I'm curious to know how they stack up against each other.

[ProdigalSon]

Never smoked crack. Meth is GREAT if you love that kinda buzz

[euphoria2002]

Ok, so go try some crack now and let us know how it compares.:D

[ProdigalSon]

Ok, so go try some crack now and let us know how it compares.:D

I like Coke so.......

[euphoria2002]

You know, one of the female members here was just mentioning how her ex-boyfriend tricked her into trying a full hit of crack. She said it was the most intense, incredible high. So great the first thing she wanted to do was go and get more. This is exactly what one of my patients told me a few weeks ago. The first high is fantastic.... and that's it, you never get the same feel again. But that doesn't stop people from blowing thou$ands trying to recapture the experience.

So, does meth have a similar effect, or is it different in that way?

[ProdigalSon]

You know, one of the female members here was just mentioning how her ex-boyfriend tricked her into trying a full hit of crack. She said it was the most intense, incredible high. So great the first thing she wanted to do was go and get more. This is exactly what one of my patients told me a few weeks ago. The first high is fantastic.... and that's it, you never get the same feel again. But that doesn't stop people from blowing thou$ands trying to recapture the experience.

So, does meth have a similar effect, or is it different in that way?

I didnt notice a different high than the first time. My experience is rather limited. I hung out in a small town called Memphis MI and it seemed like it was all over. Maybe 10 times over the period of a year so not like my body was loaded up with it. Only a hit here or there.

Now some of the tweakers could literally stay up for days. They seemed to have only one priority and that was getting more and more and whatever they acquired never seemed to be enough. Im talking this one dude I know would blow a $400 paycheck on it and before he even indulged he would be worried about getting more. And the thing was he held down a great job and seemed like a responsible adult, but one addict can spot another from a mile away no matter what your on, ya know?

I was kind of apprehensive about the whole deal but peer pressure really got the best of me here. "Mike, you wanna hit?" "Yeah sure, why the hell not?"

Damn near the same affect as Adderal, just with a more euphoric feel, and quite more intense.

It is called Amphetamine Salts so it must be around the same compound. True??

[euphoria2002]

They sound pretty similar from a psychological standpoint.... with the need for moremoremore. Of course they're both stimulants so there's some more similarity. How long did a normal hit (whatever that means) last for? How long before you felt like you needed more to stay in the zone?

ps. I'm not planning on trying it, just trying to gain a better understanding of where other people are coming from..... which is always better than simply writing another human being off as a "tweaker".

[jonny-5]

meth has a longer "high," if you can call it that. it just makes you really alert and amped for a few hours then you crash. crack has a very short lasting high (like < 30 seconds) and IMO is more euphoric, although you crash WAY quicker and harder. meth blocks the reuptake of dopamine, so the receptors get slowly flooded with it. crack just lets all your stored dopamine out hence the quick rush. crack will make you go broke in no time. im not a huge fan of either drug, but i have much experience with both. they are both the devil.

[euphoria2002]

meth has a longer "high," if you can call it that. it just makes you really alert and amped for a few hours then you crash. crack has a very short lasting high (like < 30 seconds) and IMO is more euphoric, although you crash WAY quicker and harder. meth blocks the reuptake of dopamine, so the receptors get slowly flooded with it. crack just lets all your stored dopamine out hence the quick rush. crack will make you go broke in no time. im not a huge fan of either drug, but i have much experience with both. they are both the devil.

Dude that was a splendid post! Exactly the kind of answer I hoping to get.... I'm gonna hit you up with some points for that response.

[zombiewoof23]

You can get away with buying a 1/4 gram-1/2gram for meth for a good taste test. With crack because of the intense short lived nature of the high, there is never enough. You could start out with a gram, but know that no matter how much you get, its always just enough to piss you off.

I know the first time I smoked meth, I only took a few hits and it kept me up for three days. That was good red and black in Jackson County, MO from back in 90's though.

The choice between the two will also depend on what kind of buzz you're in for. Meth is more of a buzz that will make you productive at first, because it never seems to where off if you rotate between doing lines and smoking. The only productivity that comes from crack is looking for more crack. The crash on either of them is no good at all. Meth is also easier to walk away from at first, but harder to walk away from after long term usage. I'd go with crack if it were me and I had the choice between the two for a night or three. I would just accept that I'm going to be pissed off for a couple of days after its gone. The euphoric nature of a hit of crack is way stronger, but so short lived.

[Sitar]

Cocaine is absolute dog shit compared to ANY amphetamines. Short, crappy high with a HORRIBLE crash that far outlives the high in intensity and length; totally not worth the crash or the high cost.

Crystal meth: cheap, pure, powerful, and lasts a long damn time with little to no crash.

I've never had the crack form of cocaine, but I'd imagine it would be an even shorter, more harsh version of the regular shitty coke.

If you like a really euphoric, intense, but short-lived high, you should save your money and get Nitrous Oxide instead of crack.

I fucking HATE cocaine. The crash was so bad I just don't see how anyone could possibly want that shit in their system again after crashing once from it. The only time I enjoyed it is when I chewed raw coca leaves. Then it was mild, longer lasting, and had no crash.

[tui]

Shooting speed I used to be okay for the night after one big shot, with a top-up for later.

Coke up my arms was so amazing all I could think about was trying for the next shot. Days in the bathroom, bloody sheets. All for the next pathetic rush, that's just enough to make you think you want/need more.

It scares me just thinking about those days. At least, somehow in that fucking nightmare heroin got overshadowed... ironically, that was how I quit h, coke made me forget all about it... made me forget about everything but more coke.

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[Dan Steely]

Cocaine is absolute dog shit compared to ANY amphetamines. Short, crappy high with a HORRIBLE crash that far outlives the high in intensity and length; totally not worth the crash or the high cost.

Crystal meth: cheap, pure, powerful, and lasts a long damn time with little to no crash.

I've never had the crack form of cocaine, but I'd imagine it would be an even shorter, more harsh version of the regular shitty coke.

If you like a really euphoric, intense, but short-lived high, you should save your money and get Nitrous Oxide instead of crack.

I fucking HATE cocaine. The crash was so bad I just don't see how anyone could possibly want that shit in their system again after crashing once from it. The only time I enjoyed it is when I chewed raw coca leaves. Then it was mild, longer lasting, and had no crash.
Did you ever shoot it? I hear its a totally different ballgame. I dont like coke much myself. Ive just sniffed it. I only like it when I'm alone,writing. Thats the only use ive found for the shit in 20 years of trying to figure out why other people like it.

[MttJocy]

Never tried meth but it's longer lasting for sure than crack, I can't think of anything shorter than crack for that matter (maybe IV coke but never tried that so I dunno)

But one thing is for sure if you smoke crack I can assure you even on your very first use the only thing you will think about as the high wears off is getting more crack, and if you are not able to do that you are quite likely to be looking for bits of rock that might have got left behind even if this means examining everything that is just off white that you can see.

[greasy_bear]

I've never been a fan of smoking crack.
IV coke is nice, but the pipe never got me there.
A big shot of meth once had me in a state of psychosis for about 4 hours.

[limitless_euphoria]

Well Dr. the closest to meth I've ever come is pseudoephedrine and straight 25 mg tablets of ephedrine (meth precursors). I've taken in excess of 400-500 mg and somebody told me that's tantamount to maybe half a gram of meth. I don't know about the reliability of the source. He was into all sorts of things. But I used to chain-smoke, I could get down and scrub the grout on the floor with a tooth brush, I could do the dishes... it kinda sounds like how some of the babyboomers have described methadrine to me. I'm sure you must know about methadrine and black beauties. The same stuff Elvis and Johnny Cash were hooked on. Hell, Jack Kerouac wrote "On The Road" in 21 days tweaked on speed. Adolf Hitler was another famous amphetamine user.

As sorry as this may sound, I wouldn't mind having an Rx for amphetamine just to lose some weight. My ideal weight is between 180-190 and I'm a solid 250 lbs. a.k.a. 114 kg (I'm not sure if you are a U.S. Native or not).

I started railing coke in about 1999 and it was nothing but trouble after I tried it. These guys have it on the money. It goes downhill with each hit, but you stil are dumb enough to want more. It's like a sucker's bet, but the first time you win the bet. I'm not quite sure how else to articulate it. Nowadays I don't do coke anymore. Hell, the only thing I take is tramadol and valium. Like Mick Jagger says... "You can't always get what you want... but if you try some time you might just get what you need."

[Zoops]

OMFG, I agree with dude who said they are both the devil. True True.

If I had to choose one over the other, I am not sure. hmmm. lemme think about it.

I'd take a gram of coke over a gram of meth, simply because doing a gram of meth over the course of however long it would take me (maybe 24 hours) would get me so incredibly tweaked out, paranoid, and frankly pyschotic that I would probably end up in jail or in Arlington Hosptial's psyche ward. I would feel pissed off and want more after a g of coke (which I could do up in about an hour or three) but I could get over it.

[aj11]

I am in Missouri or Missoura to some and meth is huge here. Everyone does it, that is what swim slangs to get rent and bills paid and of course opiates
Like everything it depends on quality, swim never smoked crack always broke it down with lemon juice and slammed it, but meth's "high" last for hours compaired to minutes with meth

[greasy_bear]

ajfeltz11:"Like everything it depends on quality, swim never smoked crack always broke it down with lemon juice and slammed it, but meth's "high" last for hours compaired to minutes with crack"
That's what I never got... For me, a pull on the crack-pipe was "like...eh...whatever".
A spike of good coke in the arm would feel like a train derailed in my skull.
I actually tried to like rock and never got the taste for it.
.
Although similar, meth is a completely different animal.
Once by accident, I shot a really big dose of meth (ice).
For a couple of hours I believed I was the New Messiah, sent to save the world.
I stripped down to my shorts, threw away my shoes, and went bellowing down the street.
When I finally came down, I found myself strapped to a gurney in a hospital ER.
WHEEEE!

[zombiewoof23]

Crystal meth: cheap, pure, powerful, and lasts a long damn time with little to no crash.


I take it you've never been to the land of shadows? There are two types of crashes with meth. Theres one where you're body and mind says its time to shut down after being up for a few days. That's when the shadow monsters come out. Amphetamine psychosis kinda fucks with ya a little. It reminds me of paranoid schizophrenia.

Then theres the depression and anxiety that comes after longer term use associated with dependence. Anybody correct me I'm wrong, but I do believe that meth does more to change your brain chemistry after long term usage than heroin or any other opiate.

I agree that little to moderate usage doesn't have much of a crash if any, but it's easy to get carried away and end up letting the shadow monsters come after ya.

I think I'll stick with my low doses of adderall for now.

[euphoria2002]

Guys, thanks for all the replies. You don't know how informative this has been for me. It's one thing to read about it in the literature, but it's something else to hear it from people who've been there done that.

Know what I mean?

[SUBoxZERO]

both are equally gross. when i get high i like to get low, not bouncin of the walls scratching my face and what not

[Woowoo]

Never smoked crack.
Really?? No shit!! Where have YOU been, living in a cave or something??
(or should I say... "Living under a ROCK?" tee hee chuckle chuckle weee)

[Sitar]

I agree that little to moderate usage doesn't have much of a crash if any, but it's easy to get carried away and end up letting the shadow monsters come after ya.


Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Overdoing ANY drug will have it's own versions of hell. But a single use or moderate use of meth will generally be without any real crash.

However, even a single moderate dose of cocaine will always produce a horrendous crash, at least in my brief experience. Terrible shit that coke.

Chewing real coca leaves is rather nice though, and something I'd like to repeat. It's more like a better, more euphoric version of coffee and without a crash.

[Dan Steely]

That's what I never got... For me, a pull on the crack-pipe was "like...eh...whatever".
A spike of good coke in the arm would feel like a train derailed in my skull.
I actually tried to like rock and never got the taste for it.
.
Although similar, meth is a completely different animal.
Once by accident, I shot a really big dose of meth (ice).
For a couple of hours I believed I was the New Messiah, sent to save the world.
I stripped down to my shorts, threw away my shoes, and went bellowing down the street.
When I finally came down, I found myself strapped to a gurney in a hospital ER.
WHEEEE!

Damn. I mean..... damn. Did you remember this or did your lucky disciples get to tell you about it after? Do you remember thinking and feeling that stuff?

[greasy_bear]

Damn. I mean..... damn. Did you remember this or did your lucky disciples get to tell you about it after? Do you remember thinking and feeling that stuff?
I remember it all in full detail.
It wasn't a blackout, but a psychotic episode triggered by the shot of meth(after a week of speedballing).
Unless it has happened to you, it's difficult to imagine what it feels like being jesus.
To me, the strangest part of all was how it ended like a switch was flipped.
In a split second, I went from la-la land back to "Normal".
A doctor came in, I talked to her for a few minutes, she gave me a paper shirt and let me leave.
This happened in NYC and I was probably the 5th or 6th jesus they had that week.

[grant123]

basically it depends on what your trying to achieve/how long you have to do it. if you want a night (or couple hours) of being really fuckin high, smoke some crack. but a bit of advice, only have as much money on you as your willing to spend because you want more. and another thing, when the bag is empty, those white pieces of trash/lint/whatever on the floor arent crack. you didnt drop any so dont get caught up carpet munching.

now if you want to be productive and motivated, get some meth, do it in the early day, not too much and go slow. quit by 6pm or so, and you should be able to sleep (at least swim can)

[resorcinol]

Never done coke or crack, but amphetamines sure are euphoric orally. I just hate the crash and the other jittery side effects, which is why I'm an opiate guy

[is_today_monday]

I went on a long, eight month speed/meth binge (?maintenance) with the occasional IV coke treat. Constant use, literally. Not like, one or two shots a day, I'd be shooting up more every 15 minutes or half hour. I ended up in a total state of speed psychosis for months, until I went so crazy I didn't have any choice but to quit. I'm not going to go into all the details of it, because unless you've experienced it, you won't understand anyway. I thought I was only crazy for the last day or two before I quit. I was informed though that I was in a psychosis for about 6 months without realising how sick I was getting.

Now, I still experience a lot of physical damage. My heart, which was already damaged last year during a cardiac arrest, developed an arrhythmia. My short term memory is so shot to shit I have to carry a notebook around to write everything in. My kidneys and liver really suffered too.

Despite all that, eight months of speed binge doesn't lead to my total undoing like just two weeks of opiate addiction does. Both caused me a lot of trouble and destruction, but my drive for opiates will mean I will do ANYTHING for that next fix.

I'm on maintenance now, Suboxone. Haven't been on uppers for ages.

I think I went a bit off-topic, and I'm sorry. This was more in response to greasy_bear's reply.

[Lil_Miss_Brownstone]

both can fuck your life up pretty bad.

i prefer meth but we don't really have any where i am. the first time i shot meth i had THE single most intense drug experience of my life. I split a teener of really really good shards with a friend of mine, we split it into 4 shots and each did two, a couple hours apart. for a whole night all i could do was sit there halluinating and opening and closing my mouth and eyes. i don't even remember some of it. by the morning i was still tweaking hard but i was basically hallucinating at will, seeing anything i felt like seeing, it was really fun. I've done it 4 or 5 other times but none came close to that.

i was a heavy IV coke/IV crack user for a couple yrs. it's terrible shit. you feel completely numb to everything but the rush, the rest of the world just dissapears- for about 3 minutes, at the most. Then you just want to do more. Some people are happy with small shots, but i have to nearly OD to not wish i had done a bigger one. It eats your life, worse than any opiate IMHO.

then again, i have seen other people get really strung out on meth and it is disgusting. tweakers can get so bad they barely seem human. one of my friends, after a few weeks of tweaking, was walking around Austin TX in november with no shirt, just a towel tied around her tits, chewing her mouth, hunched over walking, wearing pants that reeked like piss.

[Tea Time]

both can fuck your life up pretty bad.

To my knowledge, it is the only known "drug" that acually changes brain wave patterns in a way that cannot be fixed. The Merck Diagnostic manual says that long terrm methamphetamine use will result in "symptoms indistinguishable from schichzophrenia." This really seems like the case.

[underide]

^^^I think they mean it as in short term amphetamine psychosis, vs proper long-term schitzophrenia-induced psychosis.
As far as i know the symptoms of both former and latter are near to identical. The difference being, ofcourse that short term amphetamine induced psychosis is exactly what it is - short-term, so it does subside in a matter of days, weeks, months after amphetamine withdrawal. Whereas schitzophrenia induced psychosis is indefinately reccurent and likely a life-long symptom.

Still, it seems like one scary fucking ordeal to go through, even short-term psychosis seems like a very bad deal indeed