Bupe And Driving

[Zoop]

I am going to try and start the ball rolling here with getting on bupe. I want to be taken down slowly over a period of a couple months. I am going to call around today. Hope some are still taking customers.

My question to all you bupe people is this: When I go to the doc's office, and he gives me my first dose of bupe, is he going to say, "O.K., you have to have someone pick you up because you just took a narcotic drug and I can't let you just go drive home." ?

Because I am kind of in a sticky situation (typical for a junky, huh?) - I don't want my wife to find out. If I can just keep it a secret for a couple more months until I get off of the shit, it'll be cool.

And also, do they tell you you can't drive when you're on it? I mean it's a form of dope, you know.

So, what's up with that?

[Zoop]

I can't &*%#@ believe it! I just made an appointment with a Dr. Gonzales, a suboxone prescriber in my area, for a couple weeks from now!

I'm gonna do it. It's $250 for the initial eval. plus $100 for each monthly follow-up. That is cheaper than my gargantuan kratom habit, especially with prices going up...

How much does the medication itself actually cost? Anyone? I am debating whether or not to use my insurance. What with big brother and the holding company watching. I don't wanna be on the dope fiend list.

[shaunclo]

Zoop, I would definitley use your insurance, Suboxone is fucking expensive. As for your first question, no you will not need anybody to drive you home. Sub's are not like that, you do not get high off of them. Some claim they get a buzz, but I never have. Its almost like a clean lift feeling, its hard to describe. I want to make sure you know that you NEED TO BE IN W/D STATE TO MAKE THE SWITCH. If you are not w/d'ing and you make the switch, it can be VERY uncomfortable. I am happy for you and your decision. I would definitley try to get off of it asap though, I have been on it for a year and a 1/2 and I am having a hell of a time weening off of them now. I would use it just as needed so you can avoid w/d's then quit. Since I am a doctor, I recommend you follow my advice. Serioulsy, I am a doctor, I have a PHD in BS. lol, I crack myself up, let us all know how it goes Zoop, good luck

[shaunclo]

Sorry I left off one of your questions, as for right now there is no way that big brother can get a list of everybody on a maintenance program. I dont know about the future, but as of right now.....no. To be honest I doubt there is such a list. Correct me if I am wrong

[Zoop]

Thanks Shaun, for answering my ?'s. When you say I have to be in WD, do you mean a lot or a little?

[shaunclo]

to be perfectly honest, I dont know about Kratom, but I would definitley wait until your a hurting more than just a little. I have waited until I was just starting to hurt and switching to the sub's and it wasnt pleasant. So I would recommend you wait until you are almost to the unbearable phase then do the switch. If you do it right it is going to be a very pleasant switch, all your sickness will go away and you will feel really clean, something you probably havnt felt in quite sometime. You definitley want to make sure all the affects from the Kratom are out of your system. I dont think that you be too difficult for you considering how quickly Kratom wears off. I know you are going to be fine, and that you are going to love getting of the Kratom. The fun of the drugs wears off when you HAVE to take it to feel normal (atleast for me):)

[jacky]

wait as ong as you can. I switched from kratom to bup a month ago and waited 14 hours, couldnt sleep all night. the switch was cool, but the next day I took too much bup for my habit, about 10 milligrams and felt sooo shitty, headaches etc.

I have switched to bup before without waiting long enough, IT FUCKING HURTS.

I am one of the lucky ones, I get definite effect from bup almost every time I take it. I know two females that take like 1 milligram a day for a year or so, and they claim that they get a lift from it every morning. I was actually getting tired of being so sleepy on bup at night, not really nodding, but close enough.

good luck, and if you are switching from kratom to bup because of the cost you are probably not alone.

[mmnyc9]

Excuse my ignorance Can you go from meth to bupe I am totaly confused as to what this stuff is.

[lukilu]

Yes, You can go from Meth to Bup !
1- You must be at 30mg or less of Meth for atleast a week
2- You should wait 2-3 days of no meth or until you are in mild WD.s before you take Subutex
3- You should start with SUBUTEX when you start the Bup {not Suboxone}

4- You should do the switch with a Doctor who has done the Meth switch many times !
5- I would start with 2mgs for the first dose and wait 1 hour before doing any more -to be safe !



There are some folks that start using traditional opiates ie. Vicodin, Oxy,Heroin, to make the switch like Meth to Oxy to Bup ! These people say the switch is the best !
Lukilu

[SuperJunky]

Zoop - If you use your insurance make sure your wife dosn't see your treatment listed.

[mmnyc9]

I feel like Im in the stone age, Swim is on 140mg goes 3x a week. lately swims been getting at 40mg
on top of PG. Getting reel sick of it all. Early to the PG same people same shit. Hate the PG but hate being sick even more. Thanks this forum is cool.

[ontario_opiophile]

This is off the topic but I don't see why they don't just give people the drug they are dependant on. Most opiates are totally safe, I think they should offer hydrocodone, hydromorphone, diacetylmorphine, morphine, codeine, oxymorphone, levorphanol, maintenance. Buprenorphine is just as safe as all of these drugs. I don't see the difference between putting people on methadone or buprenorphine and all of these drugs. I wouldnt put people on Demerol maintenance or Propoxyphene maintenance but fuck, what is the point of only having Buprenorphine and Methadone as maintenance drugs? I hate to say it but Methadone gets people higher than Codeine or Hydrocodone or Oxycodone does. Some people may disagree but for me and a large number of other Methadone is definitely a better buzz and much stronger than codeine, hydrocodone, oxycodone and even morphine and definitely hydromorphone(orally, not I.V of course) The medical community seems to disagree for some reason, I dont know why they say it doesnt create Euphoria because i've been on it for years and I still feel the Euphoria from it. Anyways, about the Bupe and driving, it's totally fine to drive on Bupe. Maybe not on the first day you take it cuz you dont know how you'll react, so you should probably get a drive from someone for the first couple days. People who are maintained on opiates don't crash anymore than people who aren't maintained on opiates. Some people actually drive better.

[Zoop]

Superjunky - thanks for the tip. I think what I'll end up doing is just to use the insurance on filling the RX's (if they cover it - don't know), but we'll see. I usually get the mail first. She doesn't like to mess around with anything that looks like it's a bill, thankfully.

Ontario Opio - Don't get me wrong, I will definitely be driving on the buprenorphine, I was just interested to know if anyone's doctor told them that they shouldn't do it. Opiates are way safer to drive on that alcohol or other kinds of tranquilizer sedative drugs.

[mmnyc9]

OT, Ontario Opio I agree with you, I think the medical community is very hypocritcal regarding this because of all the problems with Oxy they seem to be switching to meth for pain managment. It seems they go back and forth every couple of months or years giving meth for pain, then when it becomes a street problem switch to something else to apease the dea or fda.

[hovadagod]

Kratom to Bupe

Give it at least 15 hours but to wait 24 if you can. Just make sure you have WD's to be fixed or you'll be in for it. On top of WD's you'll be thrown into, iF you have no WD's it will impossible to find you dose.

[mmnyc9]

Im going to do some research on this drug. so used to the routine, honestly cant say when the last time felt any real WDs (knock wood). Thats the shit though it numbs you out- days turn into weeks, weeks into.... Living in da city I didnt even bother to reniew my Drivers license. Taxis before rush hour and
train if gridlocked. Just to stay on topic, between me and my old lady must drop 4 bens a month just on
cabs, although it beats looking for parking.

[Zoop]

'Ite suckas, imma break it down

forget what I said befo' about going for bupe on the 17th of Nov. It's been bumped up to THIS WEDNESDAY. I feel good about this.

It's a 2-week "rabid detox" I mean "rapid detox" They give you all the scrips up front and you don't come back until two weeks. Then, the doctor figures out of you need a couple more days or if you're good. 200-some dollars, plus meds.

Pray, think good thought, meditate or do voodoo or whatever you're into. I need it. Fuck, I miss not being dependent on opies.

I want to get back to just taking my SAM-e, GABA and zoloft supplements.

[mmnyc9]

Hey Zoop good luck man

[shaunclo]

Zoop, your gonna do fine man, Subs are the way to go. I only wish I did the rapid detox, because now I am having to detox from the subs. Make sure you post on Wednesday so we now how its going.

[head]

I have been on bup back and forth for about 4 months. With a little testing, I have found that my body can make the change in about 12 hours after my last dose. A lot of people say that you must wait untill you are sick before you start. I can't say this ( 12 hours) will work for everyone, but it works fine for me. I have about 400 ampules of buprenex that I use when I run out of my script meds: oxycodone 30 mg. every 4 hours, actiq 600 one every 6 hours, and a new test medication which is a oravesant fentanyl 800 mcg. 4 times daily. Even after taking all that medication it only takes 12 hours for me to make the change. Now I would not advise taking suboxone after 12 hours because it has naloxone in it and that may cause a problem. buprenex is an injectable and contains only buprenorphine hydrocloride,no naloxone. This might be the reason for the shorter wiating period. If I have any good advice on the subject it would be to try to taper down a little on your drug of choice before you make the change. However if you using H then you might want to wait longer than 12 hours since this drug seems to last a little longer than regular script meds. Hope this helps.:D

[Zoop]

HOLY SHIT! Head, it sounds like you have a HUMONGOUS stash of dope! I used to work in a drugstore and we never ever had that much stuff on hand!

400 ampules of buprenex?
actiq "lollypops"?
effeverscent fentanyl tablets?

wow.

Anyway, I'll post some tomorrow to tell how it's going. I have screwed up my habit by going on pods for about two weeks solid. Now, the kratom IS NOT CUTTING IT. I think I kicked my habit up a notch or two. I have been in slight WD for the past two days. The kratom is barely taking the edge off. I have been having really bad hot flashes, profuse sweating for no fucking reason. I had to get off the bus on the way to work today to just cool off. They had the heat on in the bus. I probably looked like I was about to drop dead, all sweatin' and stuff.

All that and it looks like there is a major kratom krunch hitting the market right about now. Demand has outstripped the supply, so prices are shooting up and three major sellers stateside are listing "OUT OF STOCK" in kratom, or at least on certain grades. IamShaman is out of the premium strength, and their "super" is like 50% higher in price. The regular they sell is for shit nowadays (maybe my tol. is just too high now). MJB is totally out of stock of kratom, only the resin they are selling, MrKratom is is out of premium strength AND regular strength....

So, I am going to bail out. I have hit the wall, and it has SUBOXONE spray painted all over it!

After my two week detox, I don't imagine I'll have any really good reason to post on Opiophile.org anymore. I would just be silly. I am going back to just SAM-e, GABA, and zoloft.

overandout

[duke_nemmerle]

HOLY SHIT! Head, it sounds like you have a HUMONGOUS stash of dope! I used to work in a drugstore and we never ever had that much stuff on hand!

400 ampules of buprenex?
actiq "lollypops"?
effeverscent fentanyl tablets?

wow.

Anyway, I'll post some tomorrow to tell how it's going. I have screwed up my habit by going on pods for about two weeks solid. Now, the kratom IS NOT CUTTING IT. I think I kicked my habit up a notch or two. I have been in slight WD for the past two days. The kratom is barely taking the edge off. I have been having really bad hot flashes, profuse sweating for no fucking reason. I had to get off the bus on the way to work today to just cool off. They had the heat on in the bus. I probably looked like I was about to drop dead, all sweatin' and stuff.

All that and it looks like there is a major kratom krunch hitting the market right about now. Demand has outstripped the supply, so prices are shooting up and three major sellers stateside are listing "OUT OF STOCK" in kratom, or at least on certain grades. IamShaman is out of the premium strength, and their "super" is like 50% higher in price. The regular they sell is for shit nowadays (maybe my tol. is just too high now). MJB is totally out of stock of kratom, only the resin they are selling, MrKratom is is out of premium strength AND regular strength....

So, I am going to bail out. I have hit the wall, and it has SUBOXONE spray painted all over it!

After my two week detox, I don't imagine I'll have any really good reason to post on Opiophile.org anymore. I would just be silly. I am going back to just SAM-e, GABA, and zoloft.

overandout



Yo homie! Don't take off without pm'ing me some contact info(instant messenger, email) You're a cool dude, don't wanna lose touch yaknow

[Zoop]

Thanks Duke. I'm not taking off just yet, though.

I went and got the scrip for bupe today. The doc first lectured me on addiction, blah blah blah, while I am sitting there all sweating and feeling anxious and fidgeting.
He finally wrote up the script.

I have a schedule I am supposed to follow for the next two weeks. Pretty simple. He told me to wait until my pupils were dilated to like 10mm (ever done acid?) until I take the first sebutex. I already was in mild withdrawal, so I took 2 as soon as I got it from the pharmacy, to hell with the doc. I was scared that it would make me really sick, because I was taking it several hours before the doc told me to, but it worked out fine. I fell a mild buzz right now. About 14 hours since my last dose of kratom. I came home and threw out the rest of my kratom, about six ounces. I don't have any pods either.

He gave me sebutex, 2mg X 60 tablets, and also 30 tablets of phenobarbital 30mg for anxiety and also some samples of some new sleeping pill called Rozerem. It's a melatonin receptor agonist, not addictive or anything.

So all in all, I am pretty hooked up. Will continue to let yall know what's up.

[Zoop]

Well, like I said. The doc gave me 60 tablets of subutex 2mg. For the taper he prescribed, I only need 51. So, that's 9 extra tabs to spearmint with for tonight. (probably shouldn't but hey, what the fuck, right?)

Sniffing a couple of 2mg subutex is pretty nice. :)

[shaunclo]

Hey Zoop, you probably dont want to hear this, but I wouldnt take any more than you need for tapering. Buprenorphine is weird stuff, it hides in your body for quite a while. Using all that xtra stuff tonight will definitley make it harder for you ween off of this stuff over the next couple of weeks. This is just my advice though. Please keep posting so we know how its going!!

[duke_nemmerle]

Good luck man, I went to the doctor today for a referral to a sub guy. We'll see

[Zoop]

OOOOOPS! I KNEW it was wrong to do that! It was a loading dose?


That damn doctor! Why'd he give me those extra 9 tablets? He is very bad man.


Took my first dose of the official taper this morning. Feel o.k.

[shaunclo]

I know Zoop, my doctor was giving me way more than I ever needed too. I think they do that because they know we are going to do them all, this way you will be back to see him. Otherwise he looses business. Just stay right on track with what you were told to take and you will be fine. If you are totally serious about getting off of everything, stay exactly on track. I have been stuck at 1 fucking mg of bup for over 2 months now, I cant seem to get off that little bit. I cant tell you how much I wish I did the fast taper. My doc just wants my monthly visits from me. You are probably going to feel a bit of w/d when you get low on your dose. Dont let that tiny bit of w/d make you give up. Keep posting buddy

[Zoop]

I am on track so far today. I mean I haven't taken more than I am supposed to so far today. Still have 4 mg bupe left to go for today.

Also have clonidine 0.1mg tabs to help with minor symptoms. I think those are going to come in handy.

I took one 30mg phenobarbital this morning around 11:00 and had to close the door to my office because I basically had to pass out for a while and take a nap. I guess I don't have a tol. for barbs anymore. It's been like 6 years since I had any. Never did that much barbs anyhow. Seems like phenobarbital is a good thing to have around if you're detoxing. The doc said he would've given me oxazepam, but I admitted I had problems with benzos in the past.

Thanks for the encouragement, Shuan. I won't let a little bit of WD stop me.

[Zoop]

Day two of the process begins at 4am, with 4mg of subutex. I am an early riser, and most of the time and early-to-bedder too. 'Specially when going through a detox regimen. Through what I consider to be a Hurculean exercise of will power, I skipped my last 4mg dose of subutex last night, just took 60mg phenobarb and 0.1mg clonidine instead. Oh, and also one of those new sleeping pills the doc gave me called "Rozerem" - 8mg - (it's RX, but not controlled or anything - it's a melatonin receptor agonist), which works very very well. Makes you sleep like a mutherfucker (wife agrees). I don't think the stuff would be good for using to come down off of heavy stimulants or anything, though.

Anyway, the day begins. I am supposed to take 4mg - 4mg - 2mg - 4mg today.

overandout.

[shaunclo]

Out of all the sleeping pills I have tried from my doc (Trazadone, phenobarbital, neurontin) the only 1 that works extremely well is seroquel. That shit knocks me out HARDCORE. I took 100mg when I was suppose to take 200mg and I slept right thru my alarm-clock for over an hour. Crazy stuff